Spain are superb in midfield and have been for about 10-15 yrs. yes he isn’t s world beater but he sure as hell is better than majority in our squad and wears his heart on his sleeve. He may well not be the biggest loss in terms of quality of player that we have had over the years however in the current climate in our current position he is a big loss. Especially when we are giving new contracts to dross like Jones, Young and Lingard and offering a new contract to a past it Mata.
He is way below our standard. What next, us having a midfielder that can't get a game for Scotland??
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Spain are superb in midfield and have been for about 10-15 yrs. yes he isn’t s world beater but he sure as hell is better than majority in our squad and wears his heart on his sleeve. He may well not be the biggest loss in terms of quality of player that we have had over the years however in the current climate in our current position he is a big loss. Especially when we are giving new contracts to dross like Jones, Young and Lingard and offering a new contract to a past it Mata.
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They are not good in midfield now though if Cazorla and Sergi Roberto are playing. Herrera can’t even make the bench.
I agree with the last sentence though.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Spain are superb in midfield and have been for about 10-15 yrs. yes he isn’t s world beater but he sure as hell is better than majority in our squad and wears his heart on his sleeve. He may well not be the biggest loss in terms of quality of player that we have had over the years however in the current climate in our current position he is a big loss. Especially when we are giving new contracts to dross like Jones, Young and Lingard and offering a new contract to a past it Mata.
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They are not good in midfield now though if Cazorla and Sergi Roberto are playing. Herrera can’t even make the bench.
I agree with the last sentence though.
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They still are good in there. Got some cracking players in there. I don’t know why he can’t get in ahead of them two. He is currently better than both of them. Some managers just prefer players some more than others. Why for example is Umtiti playing ahead of Laporte. Why is Giroud ahead of Lacazette or Dembele etc etc.
I get what you’re saying Manc but there’s a reason a man has 2 caps at 29 years old. He’s obviously just not that good.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I get what you’re saying Manc but there’s a reason a man has 2 caps at 29 years old. He’s obviously just not that good.
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But you can’t judge him on how many Spain caps he has. He was decent for us and we played better with him in the team imo. Never a world beater but after Pogba then he was our best central midfielder. We are now stuck with the tortoise Matic, McTominay who can’t even get in the Scotland 11 and fecking Fred.
Herrera can’t even make this squad.
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You must have hated Steve Bruce
And Herrera is a loss... Because he's better than Fred, Matic et al... Losing him leaves us weaker in a department we already struggle in
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I get what you’re saying Manc but there’s a reason a man has 2 caps at 29 years old. He’s obviously just not that good.
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But you can’t judge him on how many Spain caps he has. He was decent for us and we played better with him in the team imo. Never a world beater but after Pogba then he was our best central midfielder. We are now stuck with the tortoise Matic, McTominay who can’t even get in the Scotland 11 and fecking Fred.
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You can’t judge him solely on that but he was never really a regular for us either. Numerous Spain and United managers can’t all have been wrong.
Decent player but nothing more
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 11 minutes ago
Herrera can’t even make this squad.
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You must have hated Steve Bruce
And Herrera is a loss... Because he's better than Fred, Matic et al... Losing him leaves us weaker in a department we already struggle in
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Steve Bruce was before my time. If we recruit right in the summer Herrera shouldn’t be any loss
Cantona get many caps for France?
He was probably our best midfielder last season, along with the inconsistent Pogba.
So he is a loss, end of.
I get what process is trying to say here, even if i don’t think using the international caps is the best example.
Herrera is a jack of all trades, master of none kind of player. He’s one of your better midfielders but he’s not a vital player. In a way he reminds of what Emre Can was for us, a good player but was never great.
He’ll be a loss because of how poor your midfield is in general, but so long as you recruit well i don’t think you’ll look back in a years time going “if only we had Herrera”.
Sergi Roberto has been converted into a RB.
Herrera is someone who has been under appreciated by our managers. LVG had his best run with him in the side. Same went for Jose and Ole. When he was in the side we did better.
We do need better (in so many positionsbbut GK) but sometimes you need a player like that in your side that glues things together. Remember he did well as a DM under Jose, who then went and got Matic and dropped Herrera from the team. He has done well as a B2B midfielder either side of the time. Ideally, we would have gotten a B2B midfielder and let Herrera carry on as the DM instead of getting Matic. One of our and Jose's transfer blunders.
Cantona
Pallister
Bruce
Butt
Brown
Saha
Carrick
Herrera
Terrible players. Hardly got any caps.
Carrick is a good counter arguement to Process's of using caps.
Not appreciated until he retired. England had Scott Parker in the side ahead of him.
What an absolutely dreadful article
Disagree completely.
Spain in CM have Koke, Rodri, Busquets, Saul, Isco and Thiago. All of these players are better than Herrera.
Sergi Roberto is a RB and Carzola won’t be playing much more than testimonial minutes.
Herrera has been our best CM for a few seasons now. And I include Pogba in that.
To think that we won’t miss him with the current CM options we have is simply not true. Just look at our wins / losses under Solskjaer last season with / without Herrera in the team.
Ed messed up Herrera contract situation.
We are about to double Lingard earnings and sign off 2 years for Mata. Tells you all you need to know
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 42 minutes ago
Disagree completely.
Spain in CM have Koke, Rodri, Busquets, Saul, Isco and Thiago. All of these players are better than Herrera.
Sergi Roberto is a RB and Carzola won’t be playing much more than testimonial minutes.
Herrera has been our best CM for a few seasons now. And I include Pogba in that.
To think that we won’t miss him with the current CM options we have is simply not true. Just look at our wins / losses under Solskjaer last season with / without Herrera in the team.
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I'd add that all of those do not play the same role as he did at United.
He reminds me of Lucas who we had. Was nothing special but became a cult figure when we were in the doldrums. Lucas was average for us and did nothing to earn that cult figure.
Herrara is the same. Fans love him but he wont even make our match day squad.
Process is right in one way.
Herrera was the best of a pretty bad bunch last season and he will be a loss based on what we have... however if we are to push on and become contenders for trophies we do need better it is that simple
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
Process is right in one way.
Herrera was the best of a pretty bad bunch last season and he will be a loss based on what we have... however if we are to push on and become contenders for trophies we do need better it is that simple
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The team with the best midfield is City in the PL.
When it comes to attack, City and Liverpool have the best in the PL.
Liverpool have a very good defence, too, probably the best in the PL. Their midfield is decent. In isolation, it isn't anything to shout about. As a unit it works great with what they have in attack and defence.
We do need to improve. As others have mentioned, a class striker can mask some of the deficiencies in the team, but we need to improve other aspects too, such as Defence and midfield. This rebuilding jobe could take 2-3 years. As long as we're patient, we could Reap the rewards. Ole also has to show progress. That gives hope and optimistic outlook for fans and players. Both Jose and LVG failed to show progress with their styles.
Herrera is easily the most overrated Utd player of modern times. Doesnt excel at anything at all.
Utd can do far better.
He's just a better version of Henderson.
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posted on 10/6/19
Spain are superb in midfield and have been for about 10-15 yrs. yes he isn’t s world beater but he sure as hell is better than majority in our squad and wears his heart on his sleeve. He may well not be the biggest loss in terms of quality of player that we have had over the years however in the current climate in our current position he is a big loss. Especially when we are giving new contracts to dross like Jones, Young and Lingard and offering a new contract to a past it Mata.
posted on 10/6/19
He is way below our standard. What next, us having a midfielder that can't get a game for Scotland??
posted on 10/6/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Spain are superb in midfield and have been for about 10-15 yrs. yes he isn’t s world beater but he sure as hell is better than majority in our squad and wears his heart on his sleeve. He may well not be the biggest loss in terms of quality of player that we have had over the years however in the current climate in our current position he is a big loss. Especially when we are giving new contracts to dross like Jones, Young and Lingard and offering a new contract to a past it Mata.
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They are not good in midfield now though if Cazorla and Sergi Roberto are playing. Herrera can’t even make the bench.
I agree with the last sentence though.
posted on 10/6/19
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
Spain are superb in midfield and have been for about 10-15 yrs. yes he isn’t s world beater but he sure as hell is better than majority in our squad and wears his heart on his sleeve. He may well not be the biggest loss in terms of quality of player that we have had over the years however in the current climate in our current position he is a big loss. Especially when we are giving new contracts to dross like Jones, Young and Lingard and offering a new contract to a past it Mata.
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They are not good in midfield now though if Cazorla and Sergi Roberto are playing. Herrera can’t even make the bench.
I agree with the last sentence though.
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They still are good in there. Got some cracking players in there. I don’t know why he can’t get in ahead of them two. He is currently better than both of them. Some managers just prefer players some more than others. Why for example is Umtiti playing ahead of Laporte. Why is Giroud ahead of Lacazette or Dembele etc etc.
posted on 10/6/19
I get what you’re saying Manc but there’s a reason a man has 2 caps at 29 years old. He’s obviously just not that good.
posted on 10/6/19
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I get what you’re saying Manc but there’s a reason a man has 2 caps at 29 years old. He’s obviously just not that good.
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But you can’t judge him on how many Spain caps he has. He was decent for us and we played better with him in the team imo. Never a world beater but after Pogba then he was our best central midfielder. We are now stuck with the tortoise Matic, McTominay who can’t even get in the Scotland 11 and fecking Fred.
posted on 10/6/19
Herrera can’t even make this squad.
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You must have hated Steve Bruce
And Herrera is a loss... Because he's better than Fred, Matic et al... Losing him leaves us weaker in a department we already struggle in
posted on 10/6/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
I get what you’re saying Manc but there’s a reason a man has 2 caps at 29 years old. He’s obviously just not that good.
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But you can’t judge him on how many Spain caps he has. He was decent for us and we played better with him in the team imo. Never a world beater but after Pogba then he was our best central midfielder. We are now stuck with the tortoise Matic, McTominay who can’t even get in the Scotland 11 and fecking Fred.
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You can’t judge him solely on that but he was never really a regular for us either. Numerous Spain and United managers can’t all have been wrong.
Decent player but nothing more
posted on 10/6/19
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 11 minutes ago
Herrera can’t even make this squad.
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You must have hated Steve Bruce
And Herrera is a loss... Because he's better than Fred, Matic et al... Losing him leaves us weaker in a department we already struggle in
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Steve Bruce was before my time. If we recruit right in the summer Herrera shouldn’t be any loss
posted on 10/6/19
Cantona get many caps for France?
posted on 10/6/19
He was probably our best midfielder last season, along with the inconsistent Pogba.
So he is a loss, end of.
posted on 10/6/19
I get what process is trying to say here, even if i don’t think using the international caps is the best example.
Herrera is a jack of all trades, master of none kind of player. He’s one of your better midfielders but he’s not a vital player. In a way he reminds of what Emre Can was for us, a good player but was never great.
He’ll be a loss because of how poor your midfield is in general, but so long as you recruit well i don’t think you’ll look back in a years time going “if only we had Herrera”.
posted on 10/6/19
Sergi Roberto has been converted into a RB.
Herrera is someone who has been under appreciated by our managers. LVG had his best run with him in the side. Same went for Jose and Ole. When he was in the side we did better.
We do need better (in so many positionsbbut GK) but sometimes you need a player like that in your side that glues things together. Remember he did well as a DM under Jose, who then went and got Matic and dropped Herrera from the team. He has done well as a B2B midfielder either side of the time. Ideally, we would have gotten a B2B midfielder and let Herrera carry on as the DM instead of getting Matic. One of our and Jose's transfer blunders.
posted on 10/6/19
Cantona
Pallister
Bruce
Butt
Brown
Saha
Carrick
Herrera
Terrible players. Hardly got any caps.
posted on 10/6/19
Carrick is a good counter arguement to Process's of using caps.
Not appreciated until he retired. England had Scott Parker in the side ahead of him.
posted on 10/6/19
What an absolutely dreadful article
posted on 10/6/19
Disagree completely.
Spain in CM have Koke, Rodri, Busquets, Saul, Isco and Thiago. All of these players are better than Herrera.
Sergi Roberto is a RB and Carzola won’t be playing much more than testimonial minutes.
Herrera has been our best CM for a few seasons now. And I include Pogba in that.
To think that we won’t miss him with the current CM options we have is simply not true. Just look at our wins / losses under Solskjaer last season with / without Herrera in the team.
posted on 10/6/19
Ed messed up Herrera contract situation.
We are about to double Lingard earnings and sign off 2 years for Mata. Tells you all you need to know
posted on 10/6/19
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 42 minutes ago
Disagree completely.
Spain in CM have Koke, Rodri, Busquets, Saul, Isco and Thiago. All of these players are better than Herrera.
Sergi Roberto is a RB and Carzola won’t be playing much more than testimonial minutes.
Herrera has been our best CM for a few seasons now. And I include Pogba in that.
To think that we won’t miss him with the current CM options we have is simply not true. Just look at our wins / losses under Solskjaer last season with / without Herrera in the team.
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I'd add that all of those do not play the same role as he did at United.
posted on 10/6/19
* most of them
posted on 10/6/19
He reminds me of Lucas who we had. Was nothing special but became a cult figure when we were in the doldrums. Lucas was average for us and did nothing to earn that cult figure.
Herrara is the same. Fans love him but he wont even make our match day squad.
posted on 10/6/19
Process is right in one way.
Herrera was the best of a pretty bad bunch last season and he will be a loss based on what we have... however if we are to push on and become contenders for trophies we do need better it is that simple
posted on 10/6/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
Process is right in one way.
Herrera was the best of a pretty bad bunch last season and he will be a loss based on what we have... however if we are to push on and become contenders for trophies we do need better it is that simple
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The team with the best midfield is City in the PL.
When it comes to attack, City and Liverpool have the best in the PL.
Liverpool have a very good defence, too, probably the best in the PL. Their midfield is decent. In isolation, it isn't anything to shout about. As a unit it works great with what they have in attack and defence.
We do need to improve. As others have mentioned, a class striker can mask some of the deficiencies in the team, but we need to improve other aspects too, such as Defence and midfield. This rebuilding jobe could take 2-3 years. As long as we're patient, we could Reap the rewards. Ole also has to show progress. That gives hope and optimistic outlook for fans and players. Both Jose and LVG failed to show progress with their styles.
posted on 10/6/19
Herrera is easily the most overrated Utd player of modern times. Doesnt excel at anything at all.
Utd can do far better.
posted on 10/6/19
He's just a better version of Henderson.
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