Depends what the role entails
Yes that what Rio says.
But if he has already had discussions he must know a bit already
Rio as technical director? Fack off. The mans an idiot..
He doesnt seem sure what the job entails, which is concerning if he eeally has held discussions with the club.
Actually I'd be quite open to taking on the Dof role at United. Doesn't mean I'd be any good at it. Mind you I dohave the same level of experience in the Dof role as Rio does.
Technical Director Rio Ferdinand
Woodward must be on the windup at this point.
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 32 minutes ago
Rio as technical director? Fack off. The mans an idiot..
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I don't think the * man's * an idiot. He can talk in a lot more interesting detail about football than a lot of pundits. I think a lot of people are misled by his Peckham English (and 'unsophisticated' sense of humour).
What I find dispiriting about the persistent rumour that he could be involved isn't the fact that he's worthless. He could do a decent job if his role is as a figurehead, someone who meets players at the point where it's all about showing the love and getting them to sign on the dotted line. The dispiriting thing is that if we are considering Rio, it may well indicate that the club has opted against a DoF with significant power to oversee transfer dealings / long-term footballing strategy / scouting networks / the academy. Rio, whatever his talents (which are unknown to us at this point), doesn't have the experience of leading these kinds of structures. For me, basically, if it's a popular ex-player, we should be very cautious - unless he is working alongside a middle-aged Italian man we haven't heard of in an expensive suit.
This in the Mail (via BBC) today:
Manchester United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward will remain in charge of transfers at the club as no sporting or technical director is expected to be appointed by the Old Trafford club this summer.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
This in the Mail (via BBC) today:
Manchester United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward will remain in charge of transfers at the club as no sporting or technical director is expected to be appointed by the Old Trafford club this summer.
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Definitely on the windup.
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None of us know what the role is or whether Rio would be any good.
We dont need one anyway.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
The academy and youth sides have their own coaches. Iv heard people say we need some DOF or TD to get all age groups playing thr same way for continuity BUT
1 They might not have the players to play the same system.
2 The majority of the youngsters arent retained. If their is a youngster ready to step up then they train with the senior squad way before they play.
So, I dont see that we need one.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
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Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
Unless the Club thinks that Ole needs a mate who can help in with his job.
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 39 minutes ago
We dont need one anyway.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
The academy and youth sides have their own coaches. Iv heard people say we need some DOF or TD to get all age groups playing thr same way for continuity BUT
1 They might not have the players to play the same system.
2 The majority of the youngsters arent retained. If their is a youngster ready to step up then they train with the senior squad way before they play.
So, I dont see that we need one.
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I don't know one Manchester United fan who agrees with you - not a *single* one - for reasons that have been discussed at great length on multiple threads on here in recent weeks.
Don't respond to this post, please. Just take it in for a minute.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
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Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
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No Red, Ed signs the cheque based on the assessment of the manager, scout and Matt Judge
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 39 minutes ago
We dont need one anyway.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
The academy and youth sides have their own coaches. Iv heard people say we need some DOF or TD to get all age groups playing thr same way for continuity BUT
1 They might not have the players to play the same system.
2 The majority of the youngsters arent retained. If their is a youngster ready to step up then they train with the senior squad way before they play.
So, I dont see that we need one.
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I don't know one Manchester United fan who agrees with you - not a *single* one - for reasons that have been discussed at great length on multiple threads on here in recent weeks.
Don't respond to this post, please. Just take it in for a minute.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have just discredited the reasons given every time.
We’re going nowhere as a club so long as Ed is making the football decisions.
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
---------------------------------------------------
Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
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No Red, Ed signs the cheque based on the assessment of the manager, scout and Matt Judge
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Demonstrably a false statement.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 10 minutes ago
We’re going nowhere as a club so long as Ed is making the football decisions.
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Felt that way for a long time. However I don't see him going anywhere until the club is sold and who knows how long that will be away.
This summer we've gone for a young British talent and look to be trying to secure Wan Bissaka next. So fingers crossed the penny has finally dropped with him. It probably hasn't but we have to hope I suppose.
James n AWB would be hugely positive start to this window for me. Won't make us title contenders but it's definitely a huge step towards getting back there soon.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
---------------------------------------------------
Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
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No Red, Ed signs the cheque based on the assessment of the manager, scout and Matt Judge
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Demonstrably a false statement.
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Demonstrate how then
He just did, backed up by the fact that Woodward didn’t sign any of Jose’s CB targets and he made his feelings on that pretty clear.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages.
.................
And you still don't see how that is an issue despite the stacks of evidence that shows you that it is.
And no, I am not going to list it for you. Every United fan knows what it is apart from you.
Demonstrably a false statement.
...............
One he just made up, no doubt.
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posted on 12/6/19
Depends what the role entails
posted on 12/6/19
Yes that what Rio says.
But if he has already had discussions he must know a bit already
posted on 12/6/19
Rio as technical director? Fack off. The mans an idiot..
posted on 12/6/19
He doesnt seem sure what the job entails, which is concerning if he eeally has held discussions with the club.
posted on 12/6/19
Actually I'd be quite open to taking on the Dof role at United. Doesn't mean I'd be any good at it. Mind you I dohave the same level of experience in the Dof role as Rio does.
posted on 12/6/19
Technical Director Rio Ferdinand
Woodward must be on the windup at this point.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 32 minutes ago
Rio as technical director? Fack off. The mans an idiot..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think the * man's * an idiot. He can talk in a lot more interesting detail about football than a lot of pundits. I think a lot of people are misled by his Peckham English (and 'unsophisticated' sense of humour).
What I find dispiriting about the persistent rumour that he could be involved isn't the fact that he's worthless. He could do a decent job if his role is as a figurehead, someone who meets players at the point where it's all about showing the love and getting them to sign on the dotted line. The dispiriting thing is that if we are considering Rio, it may well indicate that the club has opted against a DoF with significant power to oversee transfer dealings / long-term footballing strategy / scouting networks / the academy. Rio, whatever his talents (which are unknown to us at this point), doesn't have the experience of leading these kinds of structures. For me, basically, if it's a popular ex-player, we should be very cautious - unless he is working alongside a middle-aged Italian man we haven't heard of in an expensive suit.
posted on 12/6/19
This in the Mail (via BBC) today:
Manchester United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward will remain in charge of transfers at the club as no sporting or technical director is expected to be appointed by the Old Trafford club this summer.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
This in the Mail (via BBC) today:
Manchester United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward will remain in charge of transfers at the club as no sporting or technical director is expected to be appointed by the Old Trafford club this summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Definitely on the windup.
posted on 12/6/19
Classic Ed.
posted on 12/6/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 12/6/19
None of us know what the role is or whether Rio would be any good.
posted on 12/6/19
We dont need one anyway.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
The academy and youth sides have their own coaches. Iv heard people say we need some DOF or TD to get all age groups playing thr same way for continuity BUT
1 They might not have the players to play the same system.
2 The majority of the youngsters arent retained. If their is a youngster ready to step up then they train with the senior squad way before they play.
So, I dont see that we need one.
posted on 12/6/19
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
---------------------------------------------------
Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
posted on 12/6/19
Unless the Club thinks that Ole needs a mate who can help in with his job.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 39 minutes ago
We dont need one anyway.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
The academy and youth sides have their own coaches. Iv heard people say we need some DOF or TD to get all age groups playing thr same way for continuity BUT
1 They might not have the players to play the same system.
2 The majority of the youngsters arent retained. If their is a youngster ready to step up then they train with the senior squad way before they play.
So, I dont see that we need one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know one Manchester United fan who agrees with you - not a *single* one - for reasons that have been discussed at great length on multiple threads on here in recent weeks.
Don't respond to this post, please. Just take it in for a minute.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
---------------------------------------------------
Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
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No Red, Ed signs the cheque based on the assessment of the manager, scout and Matt Judge
posted on 12/6/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 39 minutes ago
We dont need one anyway.
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
The academy and youth sides have their own coaches. Iv heard people say we need some DOF or TD to get all age groups playing thr same way for continuity BUT
1 They might not have the players to play the same system.
2 The majority of the youngsters arent retained. If their is a youngster ready to step up then they train with the senior squad way before they play.
So, I dont see that we need one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know one Manchester United fan who agrees with you - not a *single* one - for reasons that have been discussed at great length on multiple threads on here in recent weeks.
Don't respond to this post, please. Just take it in for a minute.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have just discredited the reasons given every time.
posted on 12/6/19
We’re going nowhere as a club so long as Ed is making the football decisions.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
---------------------------------------------------
Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
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No Red, Ed signs the cheque based on the assessment of the manager, scout and Matt Judge
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Demonstrably a false statement.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 10 minutes ago
We’re going nowhere as a club so long as Ed is making the football decisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Felt that way for a long time. However I don't see him going anywhere until the club is sold and who knows how long that will be away.
This summer we've gone for a young British talent and look to be trying to secure Wan Bissaka next. So fingers crossed the penny has finally dropped with him. It probably hasn't but we have to hope I suppose.
James n AWB would be hugely positive start to this window for me. Won't make us title contenders but it's definitely a huge step towards getting back there soon.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages. The manager identifies what he needs. The scouts identify talent.
---------------------------------------------------
Ed decides whether or not to sign a cheque, depending on his perception of the value of players the manager has asked for and his hunch as to whether the manager really needs that player. Ed is less qualified than Rio Ferdinand to make these judgements. Too many parts of the organisation that are of a technical, sporting nature report directly to a man with no experience in the sport (other than six years of massive sporting underachievement running Manchester United). Why would anyone argue against having footballing industry expertise in charge of the relevant footballing decision making? Why would anyone argue against coherent, joined-up strategy?
I can see why in the immediate aftermath of the Fergie era an argument could be made that the club worked without a DoF. But effectively Fergie had learned to delegate his coaching work to such an extent that he had become our DoF. Losing decades of experience in him and Gill has left the club bereft of specialist knowledge. After six seasons of rudderless failure, it starts to like as though 'super' Ed's narcissism stands in the way of bringing in people who can run an FC properly.
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No Red, Ed signs the cheque based on the assessment of the manager, scout and Matt Judge
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Demonstrably a false statement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Demonstrate how then
posted on 12/6/19
He just did, backed up by the fact that Woodward didn’t sign any of Jose’s CB targets and he made his feelings on that pretty clear.
posted on 12/6/19
Ed signs the cheques. Matt Judge negotiates fees and wages.
.................
And you still don't see how that is an issue despite the stacks of evidence that shows you that it is.
And no, I am not going to list it for you. Every United fan knows what it is apart from you.
posted on 12/6/19
Demonstrably a false statement.
...............
One he just made up, no doubt.
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