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Case for the RSPCA here?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
if scotland were to get another shot and vote yes i wouldnt let ginger back in.
we can have nights out at the border and he can wave.
"wits that english ginger? u want a jagerbomb?"
"canny mate, customs says naw"
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I wouldn't give you the steam off my sheite and it's free
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ginger going to vote in the referendum with his lodge pals.
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posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
if scotland were to get another shot and vote yes i wouldnt let ginger back in.
we can have nights out at the border and he can wave.
"wits that english ginger? u want a jagerbomb?"
"canny mate, customs says naw"
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I wouldn't give you the steam off my sheite and it's free
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ginger going to vote in the referendum with his lodge pals.
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"Surely we can negotiate?"
"Naw. Ah'm gonnae pick a fight"
no u tho, ur the wee guys in the picture aww like "oooo ma union"
thats u
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posted 32 seconds ago
no u tho, ur the wee guys in the picture aww like "oooo ma union"
thats u
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I seem to be doing not too bad on here
i dont really read your political posts anymore tbh mate i just assume what i want and go with that
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posted 5 seconds ago
i dont really read your political posts anymore tbh mate i just assume what i want and go with that
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Whaaaat???
I'd never have guessed.
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comment by neutralfootballfan (U21589)
posted 4 minutes ago
Parliamernt can't block a no deal. Parliament can't request an extension. Only the PM can.
And the EU probably wouldn't give us an extension anyway.
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Parliament *could* revoke the a50 notice.
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Really?
How?
Only the ruling government can do that surely?
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All it would take would be a motion tabled by a MP. The house would (like the indicative votes) in turn vote to revoke the notice or not.
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Which can in turn be completely ignored by the ruling government.
Indicative votes have got us nowhere.
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Yes, but it would finish the government as a ruling party.
Would the government (knowingly) proceed to proceed with 'no deal' which as we know would destroy the economy, highten the risk of terrorism, breach the GFA etc etc?
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Ah. You're throwing up all the arguments not to leave again.
The reality is that the potential PM doesn't hold with those arguments; much like millions of others.
So again; the ruling government would over rule and indicative vote as being in their view, in the best interests of the country.
It's not as though this simple "indicative vote" hasn't been an option since we decided to leave. Yet nobody has mentioned it once as a goer to my knowledge.
If it were just that simple eh?
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The GFA is an international peace treaty which the British government are a co-guarantor.
Regardless of the PM's personal view I'd like to think that parliament (and the Speaker) would give precedence to peace in Ireland.
How do you know the government would overrule parliament anyway as to date, parliamentary arithmetic suggests otherwise?
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As I've already stated the likely new MP will believe they can get either a better deal or will walk away. That's exactly what they are saying.
They also believe that if we leave without a deal, many arrangements will be hurriedly put in place to protect everyone on both sides. As I've often said; we walk and all bets are off so absolute bollox to this stupid thought we can't do anything for decades. Utter scaremongering tosh.
And they'll over rule any indicative votes they like, parliamentary votes or otherwise; or we'd have voted to stay in the EU.
As for how do I know; nobody knows.
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The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU. The commission have disbanded the Dexeu negotiating team.
A no deal, will only prolong the process, as the UK will have to return to the table from a position of absolute desperation and vulnerability.
The WA (plus citizens rights, Ireland, and financial settlement) will be prerequisites.
Anyone who honestly believes no deal is a credible option is lying, ignorant of the consequences, or seeking personal gain (disaster capitalists).
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You're really not getting this |"all bets are off" scenario are you?
You just seem to choose to believe that countries all over the world simply obey sets of rules when anything doesn't go right for them and they find themselves seriously affected.
What an idyllic landscape. I'm surprised anyone ever goes to war; have trade embargos, change tariffs, open up new supply chains, reduce rates and taxes to encourage investment, become tax havens or well anything really.
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All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the WA, and the topic in hand.
One of the biggest failures in regard to Brexit is that those promoting it (bar a select view) have been completely ignorant of trade policy.
And also the fact that above all else the EU will protect the integrity of their internal market.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 20 seconds ago
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posted 39 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
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comment by neutralfootballfan (U21589)
posted 4 minutes ago
Parliamernt can't block a no deal. Parliament can't request an extension. Only the PM can.
And the EU probably wouldn't give us an extension anyway.
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Parliament *could* revoke the a50 notice.
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Really?
How?
Only the ruling government can do that surely?
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All it would take would be a motion tabled by a MP. The house would (like the indicative votes) in turn vote to revoke the notice or not.
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Which can in turn be completely ignored by the ruling government.
Indicative votes have got us nowhere.
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Yes, but it would finish the government as a ruling party.
Would the government (knowingly) proceed to proceed with 'no deal' which as we know would destroy the economy, highten the risk of terrorism, breach the GFA etc etc?
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Ah. You're throwing up all the arguments not to leave again.
The reality is that the potential PM doesn't hold with those arguments; much like millions of others.
So again; the ruling government would over rule and indicative vote as being in their view, in the best interests of the country.
It's not as though this simple "indicative vote" hasn't been an option since we decided to leave. Yet nobody has mentioned it once as a goer to my knowledge.
If it were just that simple eh?
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The GFA is an international peace treaty which the British government are a co-guarantor.
Regardless of the PM's personal view I'd like to think that parliament (and the Speaker) would give precedence to peace in Ireland.
How do you know the government would overrule parliament anyway as to date, parliamentary arithmetic suggests otherwise?
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As I've already stated the likely new MP will believe they can get either a better deal or will walk away. That's exactly what they are saying.
They also believe that if we leave without a deal, many arrangements will be hurriedly put in place to protect everyone on both sides. As I've often said; we walk and all bets are off so absolute bollox to this stupid thought we can't do anything for decades. Utter scaremongering tosh.
And they'll over rule any indicative votes they like, parliamentary votes or otherwise; or we'd have voted to stay in the EU.
As for how do I know; nobody knows.
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The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU. The commission have disbanded the Dexeu negotiating team.
A no deal, will only prolong the process, as the UK will have to return to the table from a position of absolute desperation and vulnerability.
The WA (plus citizens rights, Ireland, and financial settlement) will be prerequisites.
Anyone who honestly believes no deal is a credible option is lying, ignorant of the consequences, or seeking personal gain (disaster capitalists).
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You're really not getting this |"all bets are off" scenario are you?
You just seem to choose to believe that countries all over the world simply obey sets of rules when anything doesn't go right for them and they find themselves seriously affected.
What an idyllic landscape. I'm surprised anyone ever goes to war; have trade embargos, change tariffs, open up new supply chains, reduce rates and taxes to encourage investment, become tax havens or well anything really.
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All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the WA, and the topic in hand.
One of the biggest failures in regard to Brexit is that those promoting it (bar a select view) have been completely ignorant of trade policy.
And also the fact that above all else the EU will protect the integrity of their internal market.
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Nope.
You don't get it.
Enjoy
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
Some light relief - watch Boris, then major of London, get totally, completely and absolutely eviscerated by Eddie Mair.
A few years old, but definitely still well worth watching and sharing: shows this clunt up for what he is - a lying, obtuse, cheating, back-stabbing, devious keech of a man.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2013/mar/24/boris-johnson-accused-nasty-video
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Bojo 😂
What a Guy. Made in the same mould as the Trumpet
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
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"Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country."
Such as? And how? I recall you hadn't even bothered to read the WA. Do you not think for yourself?
And could you point out where in this thread I was incorrect? As per the BBC link I provided there are mechanisms (as previously implemented in regard to Brexit) which take powers away from the Executive and place Parliament in control.
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posted 47 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
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"Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country."
Such as? And how? I recall you hadn't even bothered to read the WA. Do you not think for yourself?
And could you point out where in this thread I was incorrect? As per the BBC link I provided there are mechanisms (as previously implemented in regard to Brexit) which take powers away from the Executive and place Parliament in control.
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What a stupid statement.
No you're right. I don't think for myself which is why I have my own views and beliefs contrary to practically everyone on these boards.
That sums it all up.
As for better educated people than you. I might be wrong, but I'll go for any number of significant business gurus and many leading MP's unless you think in your own world that you're smarter than all of them of course.
In this thread you stated quite clearly and contrary to others views that it was simple for parliament to both revoke Article 50 and/or prevent a no deal.
Wrong on both counts as any move is easily thwarted by the government.
But you carry on. I've no idea why I allow myself to be drawn into all this with you as it's non stop repetitive and arrogant sheite with simply pulling up rules and regulations and asking if anyone has read them or understands them while throwing in snidey little insults in calling people thick, stupid or deluded.
There's a life way beyond the EU ffs and if you can't see that then you have no vision whatsoever. But I'm the one you're asking if I can think for myself?
The rules and regulations are what are in place right now. They can and I believe will change if we leave with no deal. You'll simply repeat them and say that they can't be changed. Now who doesn't think for themselves.
And now I genuinely can't be rsed with this circular piiish. I'll leave you with the space for final wee sneakily placed insults and the ridiculous claims I can't think for myself nor do I understand things.
Give it your best
🚾 for the piish that has been posted
You could tell by the way he talked, though, that he had gone to school a long time. That was probably what was wrong with him
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 47 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
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"Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country."
Such as? And how? I recall you hadn't even bothered to read the WA. Do you not think for yourself?
And could you point out where in this thread I was incorrect? As per the BBC link I provided there are mechanisms (as previously implemented in regard to Brexit) which take powers away from the Executive and place Parliament in control.
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What a stupid statement.
No you're right. I don't think for myself which is why I have my own views and beliefs contrary to practically everyone on these boards.
That sums it all up.
As for better educated people than you. I might be wrong, but I'll go for any number of significant business gurus and many leading MP's unless you think in your own world that you're smarter than all of them of course.
In this thread you stated quite clearly and contrary to others views that it was simple for parliament to both revoke Article 50 and/or prevent a no deal.
Wrong on both counts as any move is easily thwarted by the government.
But you carry on. I've no idea why I allow myself to be drawn into all this with you as it's non stop repetitive and arrogant sheite with simply pulling up rules and regulations and asking if anyone has read them or understands them while throwing in snidey little insults in calling people thick, stupid or deluded.
There's a life way beyond the EU ffs and if you can't see that then you have no vision whatsoever. But I'm the one you're asking if I can think for myself?
The rules and regulations are what are in place right now. They can and I believe will change if we leave with no deal. You'll simply repeat them and say that they can't be changed. Now who doesn't think for themselves.
And now I genuinely can't be rsed with this circular piiish. I'll leave you with the space for final wee sneakily placed insults and the ridiculous claims I can't think for myself nor do I understand things.
Give it your best
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I'll take that as a no then.
Not saying there will not be "life" outside of the EU but damage limitation wasn't the sort of rhetoric being banded about during the EUref.
The fact is that every single global economist (not named Minford) and trade specialist (not named Singham) consider Brexit to be the greatest act of self harm a country has ever inflicted to itself in peacetime history.
Of course you are entitled to believe counter views but if Brexit was such a good idea, why do those who advocate it continually lie.
In regard to "thinking for yourself" you're not an idiot, so why not read the WA and future relationship agreement and make up your own mind.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/withdrawal-agreement-and-political-declaration
You seem to think that global trade law that has been in place since the 1940's (GATT) can somehow be altered, just to accommodate Brexit.
With respect, this is naïve in the extreme. The last round of WTO negotiations began in 2001 (Doha round) and talks have been ongoing ever since.
Like every other trade bloc on the planet the EU transpose existing global trade policy into EU law.
Yet you state "They can and I believe will change if we leave with no deal."
They will certainly not.
What say you, Ginger?
You taking that?
Ginger getting schooled.
Again
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Ginger getting schooled.
Again
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Or is it skewered?
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Ginger getting schooled.
Again
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Or is it skewered?
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Nah he wouldn't have been able to run off if he had been skewered.
'MP's reject the chance to take control of parliament and block a no deal Brexit.' (BBC News)
FFS..... BoJo will be doing cartwheels.
GET WESTMINSTER TAE FVCK AWAY FROM SCOTLAND'S AFFAIRS.
THEY PARK THEIR NUKES HERE.
THEY TAKE OUR OIL, GAS, WHISKY, AND FISHING WATERS AND GIVE US POCKET MONEY IN RETURN.
INDY2 - HURRY UP.
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comment by lexballielegend (U8325)
posted 4 seconds ago
I wish some of you kants would stop with the copy/paste schitethe wee wheel on my mouse in near collapse
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Case for the RSPCA here?
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
if scotland were to get another shot and vote yes i wouldnt let ginger back in.
we can have nights out at the border and he can wave.
"wits that english ginger? u want a jagerbomb?"
"canny mate, customs says naw"
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I wouldn't give you the steam off my sheite and it's free
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ginger going to vote in the referendum with his lodge pals.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
if scotland were to get another shot and vote yes i wouldnt let ginger back in.
we can have nights out at the border and he can wave.
"wits that english ginger? u want a jagerbomb?"
"canny mate, customs says naw"
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I wouldn't give you the steam off my sheite and it's free
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/content.washingtonexaminer.biz/gifs/meh%20braveheart.png
ginger going to vote in the referendum with his lodge pals.
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"Surely we can negotiate?"
"Naw. Ah'm gonnae pick a fight"
posted on 12/6/19
no u tho, ur the wee guys in the picture aww like "oooo ma union"
thats u
posted on 12/6/19
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 32 seconds ago
no u tho, ur the wee guys in the picture aww like "oooo ma union"
thats u
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I seem to be doing not too bad on here
posted on 12/6/19
i dont really read your political posts anymore tbh mate i just assume what i want and go with that
posted on 12/6/19
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 5 seconds ago
i dont really read your political posts anymore tbh mate i just assume what i want and go with that
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Whaaaat???
I'd never have guessed.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 32 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 39 seconds ago
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posted 40 seconds ago
comment by neutralfootballfan (U21589)
posted 4 minutes ago
Parliamernt can't block a no deal. Parliament can't request an extension. Only the PM can.
And the EU probably wouldn't give us an extension anyway.
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Parliament *could* revoke the a50 notice.
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Really?
How?
Only the ruling government can do that surely?
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All it would take would be a motion tabled by a MP. The house would (like the indicative votes) in turn vote to revoke the notice or not.
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Which can in turn be completely ignored by the ruling government.
Indicative votes have got us nowhere.
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Yes, but it would finish the government as a ruling party.
Would the government (knowingly) proceed to proceed with 'no deal' which as we know would destroy the economy, highten the risk of terrorism, breach the GFA etc etc?
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Ah. You're throwing up all the arguments not to leave again.
The reality is that the potential PM doesn't hold with those arguments; much like millions of others.
So again; the ruling government would over rule and indicative vote as being in their view, in the best interests of the country.
It's not as though this simple "indicative vote" hasn't been an option since we decided to leave. Yet nobody has mentioned it once as a goer to my knowledge.
If it were just that simple eh?
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The GFA is an international peace treaty which the British government are a co-guarantor.
Regardless of the PM's personal view I'd like to think that parliament (and the Speaker) would give precedence to peace in Ireland.
How do you know the government would overrule parliament anyway as to date, parliamentary arithmetic suggests otherwise?
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As I've already stated the likely new MP will believe they can get either a better deal or will walk away. That's exactly what they are saying.
They also believe that if we leave without a deal, many arrangements will be hurriedly put in place to protect everyone on both sides. As I've often said; we walk and all bets are off so absolute bollox to this stupid thought we can't do anything for decades. Utter scaremongering tosh.
And they'll over rule any indicative votes they like, parliamentary votes or otherwise; or we'd have voted to stay in the EU.
As for how do I know; nobody knows.
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The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU. The commission have disbanded the Dexeu negotiating team.
A no deal, will only prolong the process, as the UK will have to return to the table from a position of absolute desperation and vulnerability.
The WA (plus citizens rights, Ireland, and financial settlement) will be prerequisites.
Anyone who honestly believes no deal is a credible option is lying, ignorant of the consequences, or seeking personal gain (disaster capitalists).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're really not getting this |"all bets are off" scenario are you?
You just seem to choose to believe that countries all over the world simply obey sets of rules when anything doesn't go right for them and they find themselves seriously affected.
What an idyllic landscape. I'm surprised anyone ever goes to war; have trade embargos, change tariffs, open up new supply chains, reduce rates and taxes to encourage investment, become tax havens or well anything really.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the WA, and the topic in hand.
One of the biggest failures in regard to Brexit is that those promoting it (bar a select view) have been completely ignorant of trade policy.
And also the fact that above all else the EU will protect the integrity of their internal market.
posted on 12/6/19
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posted 6 seconds ago
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posted 24 minutes ago
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posted 32 seconds ago
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comment by neutralfootballfan (U21589)
posted 4 minutes ago
Parliamernt can't block a no deal. Parliament can't request an extension. Only the PM can.
And the EU probably wouldn't give us an extension anyway.
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Parliament *could* revoke the a50 notice.
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Really?
How?
Only the ruling government can do that surely?
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All it would take would be a motion tabled by a MP. The house would (like the indicative votes) in turn vote to revoke the notice or not.
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Which can in turn be completely ignored by the ruling government.
Indicative votes have got us nowhere.
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Yes, but it would finish the government as a ruling party.
Would the government (knowingly) proceed to proceed with 'no deal' which as we know would destroy the economy, highten the risk of terrorism, breach the GFA etc etc?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah. You're throwing up all the arguments not to leave again.
The reality is that the potential PM doesn't hold with those arguments; much like millions of others.
So again; the ruling government would over rule and indicative vote as being in their view, in the best interests of the country.
It's not as though this simple "indicative vote" hasn't been an option since we decided to leave. Yet nobody has mentioned it once as a goer to my knowledge.
If it were just that simple eh?
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The GFA is an international peace treaty which the British government are a co-guarantor.
Regardless of the PM's personal view I'd like to think that parliament (and the Speaker) would give precedence to peace in Ireland.
How do you know the government would overrule parliament anyway as to date, parliamentary arithmetic suggests otherwise?
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As I've already stated the likely new MP will believe they can get either a better deal or will walk away. That's exactly what they are saying.
They also believe that if we leave without a deal, many arrangements will be hurriedly put in place to protect everyone on both sides. As I've often said; we walk and all bets are off so absolute bollox to this stupid thought we can't do anything for decades. Utter scaremongering tosh.
And they'll over rule any indicative votes they like, parliamentary votes or otherwise; or we'd have voted to stay in the EU.
As for how do I know; nobody knows.
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The WA is the *only* mechanism for leaving the EU. The commission have disbanded the Dexeu negotiating team.
A no deal, will only prolong the process, as the UK will have to return to the table from a position of absolute desperation and vulnerability.
The WA (plus citizens rights, Ireland, and financial settlement) will be prerequisites.
Anyone who honestly believes no deal is a credible option is lying, ignorant of the consequences, or seeking personal gain (disaster capitalists).
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You're really not getting this |"all bets are off" scenario are you?
You just seem to choose to believe that countries all over the world simply obey sets of rules when anything doesn't go right for them and they find themselves seriously affected.
What an idyllic landscape. I'm surprised anyone ever goes to war; have trade embargos, change tariffs, open up new supply chains, reduce rates and taxes to encourage investment, become tax havens or well anything really.
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All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the WA, and the topic in hand.
One of the biggest failures in regard to Brexit is that those promoting it (bar a select view) have been completely ignorant of trade policy.
And also the fact that above all else the EU will protect the integrity of their internal market.
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Nope.
You don't get it.
Enjoy
posted on 12/6/19
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
posted on 12/6/19
Some light relief - watch Boris, then major of London, get totally, completely and absolutely eviscerated by Eddie Mair.
A few years old, but definitely still well worth watching and sharing: shows this clunt up for what he is - a lying, obtuse, cheating, back-stabbing, devious keech of a man.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2013/mar/24/boris-johnson-accused-nasty-video
posted on 12/6/19
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posted on 12/6/19
Bojo 😂
What a Guy. Made in the same mould as the Trumpet
posted on 12/6/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
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"Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country."
Such as? And how? I recall you hadn't even bothered to read the WA. Do you not think for yourself?
And could you point out where in this thread I was incorrect? As per the BBC link I provided there are mechanisms (as previously implemented in regard to Brexit) which take powers away from the Executive and place Parliament in control.
posted on 12/6/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
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"Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country."
Such as? And how? I recall you hadn't even bothered to read the WA. Do you not think for yourself?
And could you point out where in this thread I was incorrect? As per the BBC link I provided there are mechanisms (as previously implemented in regard to Brexit) which take powers away from the Executive and place Parliament in control.
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What a stupid statement.
No you're right. I don't think for myself which is why I have my own views and beliefs contrary to practically everyone on these boards.
That sums it all up.
As for better educated people than you. I might be wrong, but I'll go for any number of significant business gurus and many leading MP's unless you think in your own world that you're smarter than all of them of course.
In this thread you stated quite clearly and contrary to others views that it was simple for parliament to both revoke Article 50 and/or prevent a no deal.
Wrong on both counts as any move is easily thwarted by the government.
But you carry on. I've no idea why I allow myself to be drawn into all this with you as it's non stop repetitive and arrogant sheite with simply pulling up rules and regulations and asking if anyone has read them or understands them while throwing in snidey little insults in calling people thick, stupid or deluded.
There's a life way beyond the EU ffs and if you can't see that then you have no vision whatsoever. But I'm the one you're asking if I can think for myself?
The rules and regulations are what are in place right now. They can and I believe will change if we leave with no deal. You'll simply repeat them and say that they can't be changed. Now who doesn't think for themselves.
And now I genuinely can't be rsed with this circular piiish. I'll leave you with the space for final wee sneakily placed insults and the ridiculous claims I can't think for myself nor do I understand things.
Give it your best
posted on 12/6/19
🚾 for the piish that has been posted
posted on 12/6/19
You could tell by the way he talked, though, that he had gone to school a long time. That was probably what was wrong with him
posted on 12/6/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
I.e. "I can't counter facts"
Given you've repeatedly been proven to be incorrect/mistaken in regard to Brexit, why, in this instance, do you think that "I don't get it" ??
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Given that you have also been proved incorrect on numerous occasions and as recently as a few mere posts ago yet spout rules and regulations as if they could never be up for negotiating, I don't you're in any position to suggest I can't counter anything you repeat ad nauseum.
Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country so forgive me for having my own beliefs contrary to your repetition of those that support yours.
Still in that lovely land where nothing is ever up for renegotiation or change?
Best stay there instead of trying to pronounce yourself as the all seeing oracle on all matters Brexit.
Trust me; you're not
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"Far better educated people than you believe leaving the EU will benefit our country."
Such as? And how? I recall you hadn't even bothered to read the WA. Do you not think for yourself?
And could you point out where in this thread I was incorrect? As per the BBC link I provided there are mechanisms (as previously implemented in regard to Brexit) which take powers away from the Executive and place Parliament in control.
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What a stupid statement.
No you're right. I don't think for myself which is why I have my own views and beliefs contrary to practically everyone on these boards.
That sums it all up.
As for better educated people than you. I might be wrong, but I'll go for any number of significant business gurus and many leading MP's unless you think in your own world that you're smarter than all of them of course.
In this thread you stated quite clearly and contrary to others views that it was simple for parliament to both revoke Article 50 and/or prevent a no deal.
Wrong on both counts as any move is easily thwarted by the government.
But you carry on. I've no idea why I allow myself to be drawn into all this with you as it's non stop repetitive and arrogant sheite with simply pulling up rules and regulations and asking if anyone has read them or understands them while throwing in snidey little insults in calling people thick, stupid or deluded.
There's a life way beyond the EU ffs and if you can't see that then you have no vision whatsoever. But I'm the one you're asking if I can think for myself?
The rules and regulations are what are in place right now. They can and I believe will change if we leave with no deal. You'll simply repeat them and say that they can't be changed. Now who doesn't think for themselves.
And now I genuinely can't be rsed with this circular piiish. I'll leave you with the space for final wee sneakily placed insults and the ridiculous claims I can't think for myself nor do I understand things.
Give it your best
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I'll take that as a no then.
Not saying there will not be "life" outside of the EU but damage limitation wasn't the sort of rhetoric being banded about during the EUref.
The fact is that every single global economist (not named Minford) and trade specialist (not named Singham) consider Brexit to be the greatest act of self harm a country has ever inflicted to itself in peacetime history.
Of course you are entitled to believe counter views but if Brexit was such a good idea, why do those who advocate it continually lie.
In regard to "thinking for yourself" you're not an idiot, so why not read the WA and future relationship agreement and make up your own mind.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/withdrawal-agreement-and-political-declaration
You seem to think that global trade law that has been in place since the 1940's (GATT) can somehow be altered, just to accommodate Brexit.
With respect, this is naïve in the extreme. The last round of WTO negotiations began in 2001 (Doha round) and talks have been ongoing ever since.
Like every other trade bloc on the planet the EU transpose existing global trade policy into EU law.
Yet you state "They can and I believe will change if we leave with no deal."
They will certainly not.
posted on 12/6/19
What say you, Ginger?
You taking that?
posted on 12/6/19
Ginger getting schooled.
Again
posted on 12/6/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Ginger getting schooled.
Again
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Or is it skewered?
posted on 12/6/19
comment by MaHeed'sNippin aka I’m the competent Wullie Collum (U3633)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Ginger getting schooled.
Again
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Or is it skewered?
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Nah he wouldn't have been able to run off if he had been skewered.
posted on 12/6/19
'MP's reject the chance to take control of parliament and block a no deal Brexit.' (BBC News)
FFS..... BoJo will be doing cartwheels.
posted on 12/6/19
GET WESTMINSTER TAE FVCK AWAY FROM SCOTLAND'S AFFAIRS.
THEY PARK THEIR NUKES HERE.
THEY TAKE OUR OIL, GAS, WHISKY, AND FISHING WATERS AND GIVE US POCKET MONEY IN RETURN.
INDY2 - HURRY UP.
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