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posted on 14/6/19

That's a good article.

"Perhaps the most glaring problem with Ed Woodward’s tenure at Manchester United is that he is failing to identify the deficiencies of his regime and suitably correct them."

"Manchester United are still making money and the Glazers seem happy, so what is going to happen? Why would the Glazers remove Woodward when he continues to make money for the club? What harm if they are not winning? Money is better than winning."

Sum up the two biggest problems at the club, bar none.

posted on 14/6/19

Well, then its on the fans, to protest Ed woods position.
Kick up a stink, and regardless of how much money is being made, the Glazers would have to act.
Now, for me, its quite a simple fix. All Ed has to do, is admit defeat. Hire a DoF or TD.
And he can go back to having power lunches and what not.
I just think his ego is getting the better of him,
He loves the power. He must do. But power can corrupt. I think it has in this case.
Just step aside, or risk getting sacked totally, not from the Glazers, but from the fans.
The Ole appointment, does smack of someone that is just making it up. No clear vision,
This window is your last chance Ed.
We are watching......

posted on 14/6/19

Not sure a kicking up a stink would do anything unless it significantly hurts the bottom dollar

The Glazers would just weigh up which is better net, having Woodward making money or losing money and unless losing money (compared to an estimate of whoever else they could bring in) then nothing would change

posted on 14/6/19

The Ole appointment, does smack of someone that is just making it up. No clear vision,
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I would say that's the case with Jose too.
When LVG was hired, he was hired to change the style of play and implement it. As it wasn't working out, he hired Jose as Jose is a big name rather than think about what would be needed to take the team and style that were being used the previous two years to next step.

Jose came I and ripped that up. And now Ole has come in and ripped up what Jose was doing. So again we start from square one as we haven't gotten in anyone that can work with the style the players have been using and signed to make such a style work.

Ed overriding the Manager in his choice of signings or bringing in players due to them being big names without actual input from the manager or scouts is also an issue.

I also think that it has gotten to his head. He boasted and still does indirectly of agents calling him up and offering him their clients. I'm guessing unless the environment becomes toxic for Ed, he'll keep his position.

We probably don't even have to boycott the sponsers. If the fans turn on him in the stadium and he gets a worse treatment than Moyes or Wenger did at Arsenal, it will have an affect on his ego. If 70k people asking you to be sacked or quit, the message will be clear. The press in turn, being United, will make this big news. It will make it harder for him to get better sponsorship deals done due to his unpopularity. And sponsers will take note of it.

posted on 14/6/19

I could be off base here. But we had, Edwards. Kenyon and Gil. All were very successful at the Business side of things. And now with Ed Woodward, the trajectory of UTD since ‘86 has been nothing short of amazing.

Now, the flip side, obviously the common denominator is SAF. Surely the success on the pitch was the one true factor in propelling the brand to what it is today.
It has to be.
So, with the passage of time, (what is this our 8th season post SAF), was it really SAF that was the diamond, the ultimate bargaining chip in any deal.
Were their jobs made that bit easier to make the deals?
No, we are UTD, don’t call us, we’ll call you, kinda approach.

So, here we are with Ed. He woke up one morning, with No Gil and No SAF. Overnight he became the most powerful man at Man Utd. A right Emperor Palpatine.
(I’m a Star Wars nerd, gotta fit it in somehow)..

One has to believe, if he can make great Business decisions making money, it should translate onto the pitch. There are some deals that make him look amateur. Clubs around the world sniffed blood in 2013. We have been blatantly taken advantage of.
Who the remembers the Herrera deal, first time round?!
What was that all about?
And Fellani, when we paid, what, an extra 8 million, when we could’ve got him cheaper just 3 weeks before!!
My point is, do we just give Ed time? For him to come to grips with this world, when You, are the man.
Some things take time to ease into.
He must have a ruthless streak, an above average I.Q, for getting where he is today.
Maybe he really is a determined little beggar, who is just driven to succeed.
What would his status be, being the first CEO to
mastermind UTD to the Holy Grail, post SAF/Gil?



posted on 14/6/19

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
The Ole appointment, does smack of someone that is just making it up. No clear vision,
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I would say that's the case with Jose too.
When LVG was hired, he was hired to change the style of play and implement it. As it wasn't working out, he hired Jose as Jose is a big name rather than think about what would be needed to take the team and style that were being used the previous two years to next step.

Jose came I and ripped that up. And now Ole has come in and ripped up what Jose was doing. So again we start from square one as we haven't gotten in anyone that can work with the style the players have been using and signed to make such a style work.
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Who would you have gone for to continue LVG's style?
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Ed overriding the Manager in his choice of signings or bringing in players due to them being big names without actual input from the manager or scouts is also an issue.
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Well, the above is just not true is it. What a lot.of nonsense.
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also think that it has gotten to his head. He boasted and still does indirectly of agents calling him up and offering him their clients. I'm guessing unless the environment becomes toxic for Ed, he'll keep his position.
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He is hardly boasting now is he. Come on. At least try and hide your disdain for the fella.
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We probably don't even have to boycott the sponsers. If the fans turn on him in the stadium and he gets a worse treatment than Moyes or Wenger did at Arsenal, it will have an affect on his ego. If 70k people asking you to be sacked or quit, the message will be clear. The press in turn, being United, will make this big news. It will make it harder for him to get better sponsorship deals done due to his unpopularity. And sponsers will take note of it.

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posted on 14/6/19

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
I could be off base here. But we had, Edwards. Kenyon and Gil. All were very successful at the Business side of things. And now with Ed Woodward, the trajectory of UTD since ‘86 has been nothing short of amazing.

Now, the flip side, obviously the common denominator is SAF. Surely the success on the pitch was the one true factor in propelling the brand to what it is today.
It has to be.
So, with the passage of time, (what is this our 8th season post SAF), was it really SAF that was the diamond, the ultimate bargaining chip in any deal.
Were their jobs made that bit easier to make the deals?
No, we are UTD, don’t call us, we’ll call you, kinda approach.

So, here we are with Ed. He woke up one morning, with No Gil and No SAF. Overnight he became the most powerful man at Man Utd. A right Emperor Palpatine.
(I’m a Star Wars nerd, gotta fit it in somehow)..

One has to believe, if he can make great Business decisions making money, it should translate onto the pitch. There are some deals that make him look amateur. Clubs around the world sniffed blood in 2013. We have been blatantly taken advantage of.
Who the remembers the Herrera deal, first time round?!
What was that all about?
And Fellani, when we paid, what, an extra 8 million, when we could’ve got him cheaper just 3 weeks before!!
My point is, do we just give Ed time? For him to come to grips with this world, when You, are the man.
Some things take time to ease into.
He must have a ruthless streak, an above average I.Q, for getting where he is today.
Maybe he really is a determined little beggar, who is just driven to succeed.
What would his status be, being the first CEO to
mastermind UTD to the Holy Grail, post SAF/Gil?

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It's been explained why he waited to sign Fellaini. It was Moyes decision because he didnt want Fellaini to.be his first signing (pressure and the Everton link)

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 14/6/19

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago

I could be off base here. But we had, Edwards. Kenyon and Gil. All were very successful at the Business side of things. And now with Ed Woodward, the trajectory of UTD since ‘86 has been nothing short of amazing





Problem is, the three previous had a clue about football and also backed the managers decisions in the market.

posted on 14/6/19

I'm not sure why this is such a hot topic. There is a rare level of unanimity across our forum that Woodward has done a terrible job at running the FC and should have brought in footballing expertise years ago to make the decisions that require specialist football industry knowledge.

As far as I can see, there's only one person who is arguing to the contrary, at that's a well known troll with a history of coming back each team he is banned to argue something contrary to what he used to say. So even he probably doesn't genuinely believe that Woodward is doing a good job.

posted on 14/6/19

Bottom line 6 years on from his appointment we are effectively back to square 1. He's on manager number 4 and in the middle of yet another transfer window and he's still faffing around while real have already signed 4 players.



posted on 14/6/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 5 minutes ago
Bottom line 6 years on from his appointment we are effectively back to square 1. He's on manager number 4 and in the middle of yet another transfer window and he's still faffing around while real have already signed 4 players.




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Jovic, Hazard, Militao, Rodrygo & Mendy.

posted on 14/6/19

comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 5 minutes ago
Bottom line 6 years on from his appointment we are effectively back to square 1. He's on manager number 4 and in the middle of yet another transfer window and he's still faffing around while real have already signed 4 players.




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Jovic, Hazard, Militao, Rodrygo & Mendy.
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Ed wanders on up to OT has a few drinks and probably a prawn sandwiches, and doesn't realise what's going on out on the pitch.

posted on 14/6/19

His position is going to be become untenable if he fails this summer. Fans won't blame Ole. He's appointed a club legend and has basically put more pressure on himself.

posted on 14/6/19

comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 20 minutes ago
His position is going to be become untenable if he fails this summer. Fans won't blame Ole. He's appointed a club legend and has basically put more pressure on himself.
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Even if Ole fails and makes terrible mistakes, it's still on Woodward that he appointed him.

posted on 14/6/19

Super Ed:

It's been explained why he waited to sign Fellaini. It was Moyes decision because he didnt want Fellaini to.be his first signing (pressure and the Everton link).
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I don't know how true this is. We went for both Baines and Fellaini and bid for both of them what we eventually paid for Fellaini. Those bids happened while Fellaini was a few million cheaper.

It's been revealed that he did override the manager and got in signings he wanted. This is true. It's also true that he also backed the managers decision with other signings. Under both Van Gaal and Jose, he signed players the manager asked for and also got in signings he wanted. Mata, Di Maria, Falcao, Pogba and Sanchez these were all statement signings. Sanchez was bought in to appease Jose as his choice of Perisic was rejected.

If you have read up on Ed, he has boasted of agents calling him. Earlier this year, there was mention of agents calling and offering their clients to United.

Now, do u dislike Ed? As a person, no. But as someone who needs to be competent at running the footballing side of things, no. The fact that he identified an issue and has not solved it, in addition to that has apparently rebuffed people who could help him makes me think its all gone to this head.

Who could have replaced Van Gaal? That's a tough one. Giggs was being groomed to take over, but I don't think he would have been right for the job. Van Gaal claimed that Jose was contacted in December about taking over from him. If that's true, Ancelotti was without a job at the time.

My own pick would have been Jardim. He did a good job at Monaco at the time. I think he won the league the following season though.

posted on 14/6/19

Just FYI

We went into different directions with each manager under FSG before Klopp came in and Michael Edwards got promoted...it's all trial & error...even for multi billion pound businesses.

posted on 14/6/19

Also, if Bielsa was available, would have loved him to come in as well. We'd probably not have won anything but the football would have been good.

posted on 14/6/19

The manager and scouts identify a list of targets, Ed and Judge then try and get as many of the number 1 choices as possible. Sometimes though, deals arent possible.

Moyes was backed by SAF

LVG was the best available at the time

Jose for all his faults was a proven winner

Ole for me is the most questionable appointment and most seem happy with him.

posted on 14/6/19

We actually tried 2 different approaches under Rodgers as well.

posted on 14/6/19

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also, if Bielsa was available, would have loved him to come in as well. We'd probably not have won anything but the football would have been good.
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Bielsa under the current owners and board would have been been a massacre. He'd have killed Ed after a few months.

posted on 14/6/19

It is absolute fact re the delay in getting Fellaini.

And it has not been revealed he overrode the manager over signings. I provided evidence of this in the has ed failed thread yesterday. But feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.

And telling the media who make.out we are on our ar5es, that top players still want to come isnt boasting.

posted on 14/6/19

comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 5 minutes ago
The manager and scouts identify a list of targets, Ed and Judge then try and get as many of the number 1 choices as possible. Sometimes though, deals arent possible.

Moyes was backed by SAF

LVG was the best available at the time

Jose for all his faults was a proven winner

Ole for me is the most questionable appointment and most seem happy with him.
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Common denominator. Ed Woodforahead.

posted on 14/6/19

I would say Rodgers is similar to Klopp (though Klopp has changed/adapted since he first took over at Liverpool). He wasn't good with signings, but I have no idea if that was all on him. Did he choose Mario or was Mario forced upon him?

posted on 14/6/19

I'll have to take your word on Fellaini.

I believe I had countered those points already in the same thread, Ed. If not, let me know.

He boasted of them a few times. Not just this season. Though I think this season does have something to do with the press.

posted on 14/6/19

Woodward is clearly not fit for purpose in his current role. He needs to be removed from the role to allow for experienced footballing heads to come in and restructure this side of our operations.

To suggest otherwise is a pathetic attempt at attention seeking.

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