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posted on 15/6/19

The initial point was :

“To get a tune out of potential players you need a top manager.

Is Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer a top manager?”

You agreed that he isn’t a top manager. Which is when you said that Man Utd are the biggest club in the land etc, fair enough you are, but your current predicament with Solskjaer in charge is not attractive a proposition unless it is backed up by serious money for transfer fees and contracts.

I really don’t know why you contend this isn’t an issue..

Having a top manager would remedy that somewhat, even a very big name director of football (which is probably the way to go, pay him a load of money and save on players contracts)

It’s the current position of Man Utd, could be for the short term if Man Utd get the recruitment right. In any case I just do not see Solskjaer seeing out his contract.

posted on 15/6/19

In terms of attracting players, I think the size of the club will always do that. We've signed loads on super stars since Fergie retired and not all of them were on Sanchez type wages.

Once they come, Ole must show authority and get rid of anybody who doesn't buy into his ideas. Ole isn't a top manager YET but his legend status at United commands a reasonable amount respect for anybody coming in.

The issue isn't the manager or wages(Sanchez is the exception), it's how we spend our money.

posted on 15/6/19

In terms of attracting players, I think the size of the club will always do that. We've signed loads on super stars since Fergie retired and not all of them were on Sanchez type wages.

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Which superstars signed for Man Utd under :

Moyes

Van gaal

Mourinho

?

posted on 15/6/19

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 10 seconds ago
In terms of attracting players, I think the size of the club will always do that. We've signed loads on super stars since Fergie retired and not all of them were on Sanchez type wages.

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Which superstars signed for Man Utd under :

Moyes

Van gaal

Mourinho

?
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Di Maria, Falcao, Mata and Pogba were all superstars at the time of signing. Then you have some of the best youth prospects in Europe signing as well like Shaw, Martial and Dalot.

Flopping and succeeding have nothing to do with it if that's a potential argument. These players were either rated as some of the best up and coming talent or were already stars.

posted on 15/6/19

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
In terms of attracting players, I think the size of the club will always do that. We've signed loads on super stars since Fergie retired and not all of them were on Sanchez type wages.

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Which superstars signed for Man Utd under :

Moyes

Van gaal

Mourinho

?
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Whilst Ibra was at the end of his career he was a big name and probably would still get a game now!

posted on 15/6/19

Thickinthehead

Do you think Coutinho signed for Brendan Pep Rodgers of Liverpool?

posted on 16/6/19

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 13 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 10 seconds ago
In terms of attracting players, I think the size of the club will always do that. We've signed loads on super stars since Fergie retired and not all of them were on Sanchez type wages.

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Which superstars signed for Man Utd under :

Moyes

Van gaal

Mourinho

?
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Di Maria, Falcao, Mata and Pogba were all superstars at the time of signing. Then you have some of the best youth prospects in Europe signing as well like Shaw, Martial and Dalot.

Flopping and succeeding have nothing to do with it if that's a potential argument. These players were either rated as some of the best up and coming talent or were already stars.
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Actually Kung Fu, I wasn't saying no superstars signed, I was asking which manager signed those players, ie which superstar signed under which manager.

Moyes

Van gaal

Mourinho

posted on 16/6/19

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 hours, 30 minutes ago
Thickinthehead

Do you think Coutinho signed for Brendan Pep Rodgers of Liverpool?
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If you think we signed a superstar in Coutinho for 8.5m you carry on thinking that mate.

posted on 16/6/19

Wasn't what I said was it you thick tw@t.

posted on 16/6/19

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
Wasn't what I said was it you thick tw@t.
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Yeah wasnt what you said.

What was your point in picking out Coutinho from brendans signings then?

posted on 16/6/19

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
Wasn't what I said was it you thick tw@t.
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Yeah wasnt what you said.

What was your point in picking out Coutinho from brendans signings then?
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His point is pretty obvious in the context of what you said. Don’t be a Wahl.

posted on 16/6/19

Let him answer it.
VD, need your point re Coutinho explaining as it doesn't reasonably follow from my points that top players would prefer to play for top managers.

Coutinho was a prospect, nowhere near a top player when he signed for us.
His price tag reflects that.

Top players would not see Solskjaer as a factor in drawing them to Man Utd, indeed compared to other clubs it would be a negative point.

Lack of CL would be a further negative.

Lack of other top players, including Pogba wanting to leave would again be a negative.

In compensating for the above factors, Man Utd will need to offer huge financial packages to attract top players to the club, or get rinsed for mid table players.

posted on 16/6/19

Not necessarily. It’s not all about attracting top players though; it’s about building a team.

Liverpool have been a cup side for 30 years and as a result very very few - if any - of the players you’ve bought in the last 10 years would have been considered top players when you bought them, but it’s worked out because you’ve bought the right players for how you want to play.

posted on 16/6/19

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 19 seconds ago
Not necessarily. It’s not all about attracting top players though; it’s about building a team.

Liverpool have been a cup side for 30 years and as a result very very few - if any - of the players you’ve bought in the last 10 years would have been considered top players when you bought them, but it’s worked out because you’ve bought the right players for how you want to play.
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Agreed, you need a top manager to actually see that through.

Prior to Klopp I would only have classed Rafa as that for us.
Who didnt have support once Hicks and Gillet came in.
Rodgers is a good manager, that's all.

Hence why the manager is all important in a rebuild, and Solskjaer really isn't the answer, just do not know how he could be.

posted on 16/6/19

I reckon a lot of fans felt the same when Klopp went to Dortmund.

posted on 16/6/19

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
I reckon a lot of fans felt the same when Klopp went to Dortmund.
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That's what you might reckon, however Klopp was contacted by Hoeness about the Munich job while he was at Mainz such was his reputaton in the German league.

So I think the mentioning of Klopp as comparison and/or barometer of Solskjaer really need to be binned.
They are two completely different styles of manager that need to be judged on their own merits.

posted on 16/6/19

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
I reckon a lot of fans felt the same when Klopp went to Dortmund.
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That's what you might reckon, however Klopp was contacted by Hoeness about the Munich job while he was at Mainz such was his reputaton in the German league.

So I think the mentioning of Klopp as comparison and/or barometer of Solskjaer really need to be binned.
They are two completely different styles of manager that need to be judged on their own merits.
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It seems you’re the only one allowed an *opinion* so I won’t bother, because your disingenuous debating style will just have us going around in circles as it has already with you and VC.

You can’t on the one hand state that “Solskjaer isn’t the answer” then on the other hand use one example of a club allegedly contacting Klopp to imply that he was a top manager at Mainz.

What Klopp did at Mainz is no more impressive than what Solskjaer did with Molde. If you can’t accept that then there’s nowhere for this discussion to go.

posted on 16/6/19

Klopp was hired on the back of Dortmund, not Mainz.

posted on 16/6/19

Solskjaer isn't the answer thats what I contend. He has done nothing in management to warrant the Man Utd job.

If you want to venture an opinion rather than point at Klopp, go ahead.

What has Solskjaer done in management to warrant the Man Utd job?

posted on 16/6/19

Taken a perennial fodder team in Norway to the dominant team in the country, picking up some good Europa League scalps along the way.

About as much, if not more than Klopp did when Dortmund took a chance with him.

posted on 16/6/19

...and playing good football along the way.

posted on 16/6/19

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 14 minutes ago
Taken a perennial fodder team in Norway to the dominant team in the country, picking up some good Europa League scalps along the way.

About as much, if not more than Klopp did when Dortmund took a chance with him.
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Klopp took Mainz up.

Not to mention that the German league is of a much higher standard than the Norwegian league.

To put it into context.. Solskjaer won a couple of titles with Molde, piqued the interest of Welsh giants Cardiff. Solskjaer couldn't cut it, and got sacked.

He went back to the Norwegian league, won a couple of titles and is now Man U manager!

This isn't a who has done better Klopp or Solskjaer.. which is what it seems to turn into.

It is "is Solskjaer worthy of being man u manager"..

.. the answer has to be no.

Then you have to look at why he was appointed, who made that decision as it's not Solskjaers doing, he just accepted the job.

That decision was down to Woodward. Enough of his decisions have been ridiculed, and him giving Solskjaer the job should be no different.

Should it?

posted on 16/6/19

Klopp took Mainz up.

Not to mention that the German league is of a much higher standard than the Norwegian league.

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He took Mainz up, then got relegated... tier 2 in Germany is no better than the Norwegian prem.

How can you say Solskjaer isn’t worthy? It has been 6 months.

posted on 16/6/19

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Klopp took Mainz up.

Not to mention that the German league is of a much higher standard than the Norwegian league.

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He took Mainz up, then got relegated... tier 2 in Germany is no better than the Norwegian prem.

How can you say Solskjaer isn’t worthy? It has been 6 months.
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He got Mainz to 11th in the German first division mate. That is what piqued the interest of clubs like Bayern Munich and Dortmund, contrary to Solskjaers exploits which managed to garner interest from Cardiff..

And Cardiff is exactly why I can say he is not worthy, Cardiff sacked him, not only because he took them down, but he was in danger of relegating Cardiff consecutively . They were in 16th in the championship when he got sacked.
For a more recent example.. Solsjkaers 2 wins in 12 at the back end of the season when top 4 was well in sight.

Like I said, he didn’t ask for the job, he was offered it and he was hardly likely to say, “no”.

posted on 17/6/19

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
Klopp took Mainz up.

Not to mention that the German league is of a much higher standard than the Norwegian league.

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He took Mainz up, then got relegated... tier 2 in Germany is no better than the Norwegian prem.

How can you say Solskjaer isn’t worthy? It has been 6 months.
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He got Mainz to 11th in the German first division mate. That is what piqued the interest of clubs like Bayern Munich and Dortmund, contrary to Solskjaers exploits which managed to garner interest from Cardiff..

And Cardiff is exactly why I can say he is not worthy, Cardiff sacked him, not only because he took them down, but he was in danger of relegating Cardiff consecutively . They were in 16th in the championship when he got sacked.
For a more recent example.. Solsjkaers 2 wins in 12 at the back end of the season when top 4 was well in sight.

Like I said, he didn’t ask for the job, he was offered it and he was hardly likely to say, “no”.
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What had Guardiola done to warrant the Barcelona job?

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