RDD’s been pulling this wum for years.

Has he worked out what a DOF does yet

Probably not. Will just have to ask another 500 times after having it explained to him.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 minutes ago
Is that all?
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I think he should have told Jose to shut up and get on with managing the players he had.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 26 minutes ago
Has he worked out what a DOF does yet
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I know what they do. I just dont see the need for one.

comment by Deleting is for 🐱 (U22147)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 minutes ago
Is that all?
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I think he should have told Jose to shut up and get on with managing the players he had.
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Do you think he should have extended Jose's contract knowing Jose's history of third season meltdowns?

know what they do. I just dont see the need for one.

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So you are happy for things to continue on as they have for the last six years?

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 17 minutes ago
know what they do. I just dont see the need for one.

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So you are happy for things to continue on as they have for the last six years?
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I'm happy with Ed and Judge trying to secure the players Ole says he needs.

comment by Deleting is for 🐱 (U22147)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 17 minutes ago
know what they do. I just dont see the need for one.

.....

So you are happy for things to continue on as they have for the last six years?
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I'm happy with Ed and Judge trying to secure the players Ole says he needs.
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And if Ole leaves and a manager comes on who wants to play a totally different way and doesn’t fancy the players we signed for Ole?

This is where your argument begins to unravel.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Deleting is for 🐱 (U22147)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 17 minutes ago
know what they do. I just dont see the need for one.

.....

So you are happy for things to continue on as they have for the last six years?
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I'm happy with Ed and Judge trying to secure the players Ole says he needs.
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And if Ole leaves and a manager comes on who wants to play a totally different way and doesn’t fancy the players we signed for Ole?

This is where your argument begins to unravel.
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It isnt though. And il tell you why.

What's the alternative to backing a new manager with signings and letting him play his own style of football?

You have to find a coach who is available, capable of such a high pressure job, good enough to coach a team to success but is also prepared to not make his own signings and to play a system decided for him. Thats very, very small pool of coaches.

And what if the DOF leaves, or decides to play a new style.of football, or his style becomes dated or ineffective ?

For every pro to having a DOF, there is a con.

At least I'm able to admit that.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Deleting is for 🐱 (U22147)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 17 minutes ago
know what they do. I just dont see the need for one.

.....

So you are happy for things to continue on as they have for the last six years?
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I'm happy with Ed and Judge trying to secure the players Ole says he needs.
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And if Ole leaves and a manager comes on who wants to play a totally different way and doesn’t fancy the players we signed for Ole?

This is where your argument begins to unravel.
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Pros

Another opinion on potential player / managerial targets

Can assist a club in maintaining their identity through continuity of players and style of play by appointing suitable head coaches when required

Cons

Getting the right one. Who determines who is qualified to do the job?

Potential.conflict with the head coach over signings / systems

Continuity lost if the DOF moves on

Findings head coaches capable / prepared to work in such a set up.

Missing out on great managers who might not fit the DOF's philosophy

Replacing such a key person if the DOF doesnt work out. Such specific skillset required and parameters to work within.

Pros

Neutralize fack ups like Woodward

comment by Deleting is for 🐱 (U22147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Pros

Another opinion on potential player / managerial targets

Can assist a club in maintaining their identity through continuity of players and style of play by appointing suitable head coaches when required

Cons

Getting the right one. Who determines who is qualified to do the job?

Potential.conflict with the head coach over signings / systems

Continuity lost if the DOF moves on

Findings head coaches capable / prepared to work in such a set up.

Missing out on great managers who might not fit the DOF's philosophy

Replacing such a key person if the DOF doesnt work out. Such specific skillset required and parameters to work within.

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Wrong. All wrong.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Deleting is for 🐱 (U22147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Pros

Another opinion on potential player / managerial targets

Can assist a club in maintaining their identity through continuity of players and style of play by appointing suitable head coaches when required

Cons

Getting the right one. Who determines who is qualified to do the job?

Potential.conflict with the head coach over signings / systems

Continuity lost if the DOF moves on

Findings head coaches capable / prepared to work in such a set up.

Missing out on great managers who might not fit the DOF's philosophy

Replacing such a key person if the DOF doesnt work out. Such specific skillset required and parameters to work within.

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Wrong. All wrong.
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Nope. But hey ho.

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comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
RDD talking sh*te again.
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Yawn

Im not going anywhere mate, so either quit the nonsense and try talking footy or block me, because you are VERY boring.

Comment deleted by Article Creator

RDD talking sh*te again.

Utter $hite at that.

Several of your cons can apply to every single position. Getting the right manager, players, CEO, etc. That doesn't make it a con. It's a risk regardless of what position someone is employed in.

Conflict over signings is another. Jose had that with Ed. One is a CEO who knows about the commercial aspects of business but little about football over ruling a manager whose job is to manage.

I'm the current set up, manage changes have already affected us when it comes to continuity. We lurched from LVG to Jose and now Ole.

We are now having to find people willing to work under a set up that's being reported as scuttergun with no thought process put into it.

Well, we now have an issue. Do we carry on and improve on what the current manager has done or do we scrap that and start again each time we hire a manager? As we have yet to find any coherent long term planning we have players bought for record fees who are after a season or two no longer needed by the next manager. Just look at how many players were bought and sold due to longer being needed by the next guy in charge.

Your last point is more or less the same as the third con you listed. Why list the same point twice?

Pretty much each con could be thrown at Ed or the manager or both. At least with Ed no longer dictating the footballing side, we will have a better chance at improving in hiring managers and recruiting players.

What you're saying is we keep someone who has been hiring people based in reputation without thought on how they fit in with the club nor what type of play and players they like.

Look at Lukaku, he is one of our most expensive buys and now he is no longer needed due to the new manager saying he doesn't fit what he wants.

Look at how many players we have signed to fix the the right side of our team, along with MFs and CBs. Yet we're no further along than we were since Moyes was sacked. We keep taking a step forward and then two back.

We need a structure put into place that supports the manager/headcoach so he gets the players he needs to play with and be able to get the best from them. A overall arching style that can be continued if a new one is needed.

The manager or headcoach don't need to be exactly the same. Similar styles doesn't mean the same. You can't expect players to go from possession based to possessionless counter attacking style and then change again and expect to get the best out of everyone. This doesn't mean each coach will be a success. Look at Dortmund. They hire coaches that fit their style. They have gotten right and wrong over the years since they had Klopp. More right than wrong. Ed, on the otherhand has gotten it wrong more than right.

How many seasons had we had were we can say its been a real success since SAF left? Jose finished 6th but won the league Cup and sneaked into the CL due to winning the EL and then 2nd before he had is 3rd season meltdown and sacking. LVG finished 4th and then 5th with the FA Cup. None of those are what was expected of a club our size. We're now at a stage where Liverpool were when they hired Klopp. We have to be smart with signings as we can no longer take the risks we took before. We have to make sure if we sign 5 players, 4 are a success.

And all these are issues that need to be addressed.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Several of your cons can apply to every single position. Getting the right manager, players, CEO, etc. That doesn't make it a con. It's a risk regardless of what position someone is employed in.

Conflict over signings is another. Jose had that with Ed. One is a CEO who knows about the commercial aspects of business but little about football over ruling a manager whose job is to manage.

I'm the current set up, manage changes have already affected us when it comes to continuity. We lurched from LVG to Jose and now Ole.

We are now having to find people willing to work under a set up that's being reported as scuttergun with no thought process put into it.

Well, we now have an issue. Do we carry on and improve on what the current manager has done or do we scrap that and start again each time we hire a manager? As we have yet to find any coherent long term planning we have players bought for record fees who are after a season or two no longer needed by the next manager. Just look at how many players were bought and sold due to longer being needed by the next guy in charge.

Your last point is more or less the same as the third con you listed. Why list the same point twice?

Pretty much each con could be thrown at Ed or the manager or both. At least with Ed no longer dictating the footballing side, we will have a better chance at improving in hiring managers and recruiting players.

What you're saying is we keep someone who has been hiring people based in reputation without thought on how they fit in with the club nor what type of play and players they like.
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So many have left because they simply weren't/ arent good enough.

"We need a structure put into place that supports the manager/headcoach so he gets the players he needs to play with and be able to get the best from them"

We already have that structure. Scouts, Ole, Judge, Ed.