SB some terrible things happened in the occupied countries and the young have been told by their parents and grandparents and even great grandparents. I have done quite a bit of travelling in France and the old people away from the big cities hate the Germans. I have been to Oradour sur Glane which has been left for all to see after it was wiped out in 1944.
When I was younger my hair was blonde and I used to get mistaken for a German especially in Greece. I soon made sure they knew I wasn't, I can't imagine what they do to the food of the hated ones.
Just to finish, I like Germans, they are polite and make you welcome in their country and I have no problem with them. Years ago some of the old boys acted a bit strangely though, they had no concept about queuing but now it is the Russians who act as if they are on a charge at Stalingrad.
Surely he's gone by now?
I like Germans to, VC. They're some of the nicest folk I've worked with. My old man drove an ambulance in North Africa for a while in WW2 (he was in the Royal Corps of Transport, attached to the 8th Army). He told me that if they were out in the desert, and found injured Germans, they'd pick them up and take them to the allied field hospital, and they knew the Germans did the same for our lads. He thought they fought a very civilised war, in comparison to the Japanese he fought later on in Burma. Mind you, he said that he didn't know about the N@zi death camps until after the war, and that changed his view of them.
I wish you could edit posts, I *do* know how to spell 'too', FFS
VC I also have been to Oradour. It chills your blood to see what they did. Nobody quite knows why they destroyed an entire village and its population including children. It was just after the invasion in Normandy had become established as a bridgehead. There are those who believe it was a sort of revenge for that.
Since then they have become a very sound democracy and are highly civilised. Why Farage et al want us out of Europe I do not understand.
Farage's wife is German, so I doubt it's a hate of Germans. Mind you, I guess that means his mother-in-law is probably German, too
Soz, I gave in to my inner Les Dawson for a moment. Down boy, down
On D day the Das Reich SS Panzer regiment were having R&R in Montaubin in SW France. They were ordered to go straight up to Normandy. This should have taken a couple of days, but the French resistance hampered them so much it took two weeks to get to Normandy. The resistance hurled rocks down from the steep sides to the main roads and the Jerrys got so cross that they shot the men and burnt the women and children in the church of Oradour. Like you Ramdini, I found it awry and so quiet. I'm glad the French have left it so people can see what terrible things happen in wars.
To be fair to Germany, they have left Belsen and Dachau so we can see what they did to certain races and creeds. An old chap I knew had driven a bulldozer to bury the thousands of bodies at Belsen, he was one of the first to go in.
This is in contrast to the Japanese who tell children in school that one day the USA dropped 2 bombs on them, without telling them why and the abject cruelty imposed on their foes.
I like history, it was my favourite subject at school, but we didn't learn about WW2 as it hadn't ended that long ago, but many of the teachers had fought, some in WW1.
When is Cocu starting work?
Ramdini, Farage doesn't want us to leave Europe, he wants us to leave the EU. So do I and you can see from my posts I love going to Europe.
When do we get a chance to have a vote on all the great and good getting the tops jobs in Brussels? I see one of them is a criminal and she is in charge of the money. What could possibly go wrong? I hope will get out before the whole lot falls down.
VC
These people who get the top jobs in the EU are the UK equivalent of permanent parliamentary secretaries. They are charged by the EU parliament to oversee the day to day running of the EU.
In effect EU civil servants with no powers to make laws.
Farage would have you believe they have some kind of legislative powers which is just another bare faced lie pedalled out by him an the rest of the right wing lunatic fringe.
They do the bidding of the democratically elected European Parliament and that's the truth of it.
Farage doesn't want Brexit, it's his sole raison d'être.
Did anyone notice how shell-shocked he was when the referendum result was announced in June 2016?
He is a total charlatan, much like Trump (but with less power). A lot of the people who vote for him will become poorer due to his actions.
Sure he can talk the talk, but it's all rhetoric.
Rameses the top jobs given today are for the new leaders of the EU. They will have the power, the top job goes to the German defence secretary, the finance job goes to Lagarde who has been done for some financial jiggery poker. Another job has gone to the PM of Belgium who had a vote of no confidence and refused to resign.
The whole set up is corrupt and gets more like the USSR every day. They should have stuck to the free trade stuff which I voted for in 1975.
Agree with you about Japanese attitudes, VC. I went to the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum, and there was a timeline along a wall that charted the events leading up to the bomb being dropped. It starts with the rise of fascism in Europe, covers several events in WW2, completely omits Pearl Harbour (!), then suddenly the Americans drop a bomb.
The Germans seem to have come to terms with their past much better than many countries, including ourselves. Few Brits seem to talk about our role in the Bengal Famine, or Churchill handing over the Cossacks to Stalin’s execution squads after Yalta.
I need some football news. This tangent about ze Germans came out of nowhere and is leading well off the trail.
comment by Sheep Botherer (U8445)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Agree with you about Japanese attitudes, VC. I went to the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum, and there was a timeline along a wall that charted the events leading up to the bomb being dropped. It starts with the rise of fascism in Europe, covers several events in WW2, completely omits Pearl Harbour (!), then suddenly the Americans drop a bomb.
The Germans seem to have come to terms with their past much better than many countries, including ourselves. Few Brits seem to talk about our role in the Bengal Famine, or Churchill handing over the Cossacks to Stalin’s execution squads after Yalta.
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Very well said Sheepy, I echo your observations. And to VC10's problems re democracy in the EU, remember soon we will have the biggest buffoon in politics today as our PM elected by 160,000 mainly white, elderly, blue rinsed bigots. At least I would expect much more in the way of general competence from the newly elected officials. I've no doubt there is a rich gravy train in operation, which European politicians are very adept at availing themselves including Nigel Farage and Doris Karlov.
And now to football, I hope today we get an announcement that Meneer Cocu is going to join us and that he will be encouraging the youth of our football academy as well as provo=ing tactically very sharp.
Welcome Mr Cocu.
The irony of telling the EU politico's to get stuffed, whilst blindly stumbling into "allowing" Johnson to become PM would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn serious.
Owt 'appenin at PP BTW?
Well Ramdini, at least Boris is an elected buffoon. And your comment about all Tory members being bigots is rather over the top. Many of these people are business men and do a lot for the country as well as themselves. It's like saying all Labour members are raving Communists.
Has he gone yet?....Oh I see he has.
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posted on 3/7/19
SB some terrible things happened in the occupied countries and the young have been told by their parents and grandparents and even great grandparents. I have done quite a bit of travelling in France and the old people away from the big cities hate the Germans. I have been to Oradour sur Glane which has been left for all to see after it was wiped out in 1944.
When I was younger my hair was blonde and I used to get mistaken for a German especially in Greece. I soon made sure they knew I wasn't, I can't imagine what they do to the food of the hated ones.
Just to finish, I like Germans, they are polite and make you welcome in their country and I have no problem with them. Years ago some of the old boys acted a bit strangely though, they had no concept about queuing but now it is the Russians who act as if they are on a charge at Stalingrad.
Surely he's gone by now?
posted on 3/7/19
I like Germans to, VC. They're some of the nicest folk I've worked with. My old man drove an ambulance in North Africa for a while in WW2 (he was in the Royal Corps of Transport, attached to the 8th Army). He told me that if they were out in the desert, and found injured Germans, they'd pick them up and take them to the allied field hospital, and they knew the Germans did the same for our lads. He thought they fought a very civilised war, in comparison to the Japanese he fought later on in Burma. Mind you, he said that he didn't know about the N@zi death camps until after the war, and that changed his view of them.
posted on 3/7/19
I wish you could edit posts, I *do* know how to spell 'too', FFS
posted on 3/7/19
VC I also have been to Oradour. It chills your blood to see what they did. Nobody quite knows why they destroyed an entire village and its population including children. It was just after the invasion in Normandy had become established as a bridgehead. There are those who believe it was a sort of revenge for that.
Since then they have become a very sound democracy and are highly civilised. Why Farage et al want us out of Europe I do not understand.
posted on 3/7/19
Farage's wife is German, so I doubt it's a hate of Germans. Mind you, I guess that means his mother-in-law is probably German, too
Soz, I gave in to my inner Les Dawson for a moment. Down boy, down
posted on 3/7/19
On D day the Das Reich SS Panzer regiment were having R&R in Montaubin in SW France. They were ordered to go straight up to Normandy. This should have taken a couple of days, but the French resistance hampered them so much it took two weeks to get to Normandy. The resistance hurled rocks down from the steep sides to the main roads and the Jerrys got so cross that they shot the men and burnt the women and children in the church of Oradour. Like you Ramdini, I found it awry and so quiet. I'm glad the French have left it so people can see what terrible things happen in wars.
To be fair to Germany, they have left Belsen and Dachau so we can see what they did to certain races and creeds. An old chap I knew had driven a bulldozer to bury the thousands of bodies at Belsen, he was one of the first to go in.
This is in contrast to the Japanese who tell children in school that one day the USA dropped 2 bombs on them, without telling them why and the abject cruelty imposed on their foes.
I like history, it was my favourite subject at school, but we didn't learn about WW2 as it hadn't ended that long ago, but many of the teachers had fought, some in WW1.
When is Cocu starting work?
posted on 3/7/19
Ramdini, Farage doesn't want us to leave Europe, he wants us to leave the EU. So do I and you can see from my posts I love going to Europe.
When do we get a chance to have a vote on all the great and good getting the tops jobs in Brussels? I see one of them is a criminal and she is in charge of the money. What could possibly go wrong? I hope will get out before the whole lot falls down.
posted on 3/7/19
VC
These people who get the top jobs in the EU are the UK equivalent of permanent parliamentary secretaries. They are charged by the EU parliament to oversee the day to day running of the EU.
In effect EU civil servants with no powers to make laws.
Farage would have you believe they have some kind of legislative powers which is just another bare faced lie pedalled out by him an the rest of the right wing lunatic fringe.
They do the bidding of the democratically elected European Parliament and that's the truth of it.
posted on 3/7/19
Farage doesn't want Brexit, it's his sole raison d'être.
Did anyone notice how shell-shocked he was when the referendum result was announced in June 2016?
He is a total charlatan, much like Trump (but with less power). A lot of the people who vote for him will become poorer due to his actions.
Sure he can talk the talk, but it's all rhetoric.
posted on 3/7/19
Rameses the top jobs given today are for the new leaders of the EU. They will have the power, the top job goes to the German defence secretary, the finance job goes to Lagarde who has been done for some financial jiggery poker. Another job has gone to the PM of Belgium who had a vote of no confidence and refused to resign.
The whole set up is corrupt and gets more like the USSR every day. They should have stuck to the free trade stuff which I voted for in 1975.
posted on 4/7/19
Agree with you about Japanese attitudes, VC. I went to the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum, and there was a timeline along a wall that charted the events leading up to the bomb being dropped. It starts with the rise of fascism in Europe, covers several events in WW2, completely omits Pearl Harbour (!), then suddenly the Americans drop a bomb.
The Germans seem to have come to terms with their past much better than many countries, including ourselves. Few Brits seem to talk about our role in the Bengal Famine, or Churchill handing over the Cossacks to Stalin’s execution squads after Yalta.
posted on 4/7/19
I need some football news. This tangent about ze Germans came out of nowhere and is leading well off the trail.
posted on 4/7/19
comment by Sheep Botherer (U8445)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Agree with you about Japanese attitudes, VC. I went to the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Museum, and there was a timeline along a wall that charted the events leading up to the bomb being dropped. It starts with the rise of fascism in Europe, covers several events in WW2, completely omits Pearl Harbour (!), then suddenly the Americans drop a bomb.
The Germans seem to have come to terms with their past much better than many countries, including ourselves. Few Brits seem to talk about our role in the Bengal Famine, or Churchill handing over the Cossacks to Stalin’s execution squads after Yalta.
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Very well said Sheepy, I echo your observations. And to VC10's problems re democracy in the EU, remember soon we will have the biggest buffoon in politics today as our PM elected by 160,000 mainly white, elderly, blue rinsed bigots. At least I would expect much more in the way of general competence from the newly elected officials. I've no doubt there is a rich gravy train in operation, which European politicians are very adept at availing themselves including Nigel Farage and Doris Karlov.
posted on 4/7/19
And now to football, I hope today we get an announcement that Meneer Cocu is going to join us and that he will be encouraging the youth of our football academy as well as provo=ing tactically very sharp.
Welcome Mr Cocu.
posted on 4/7/19
The irony of telling the EU politico's to get stuffed, whilst blindly stumbling into "allowing" Johnson to become PM would be hilarious if it wasn't so damn serious.
Owt 'appenin at PP BTW?
posted on 4/7/19
Well Ramdini, at least Boris is an elected buffoon. And your comment about all Tory members being bigots is rather over the top. Many of these people are business men and do a lot for the country as well as themselves. It's like saying all Labour members are raving Communists.
Has he gone yet?....Oh I see he has.
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