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£70m bid for Maguire - Bid rejected

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posted on 2/7/19

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
And everybody does want a pay day. Also aaprt from Leicester once none of those other teams win anything. We have won three even whilst being poor by our standards.
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Yes they do. Maybe your standards are falling ? Nobody has a divine right to be great for forever. Don't think it matters how much money you spend. Unlike, City, Liverpool & to a lesser extent Spurs, there just doesn't feel like there's much of an identity at United. All that starts at the top & is reflected in the football side by its manager.... Other than harping on about the past & creating some kind of "old boys network" United just seem miles behind the others......as you have proved, throwing huge amounts of money at the problem wont change anything
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All of that is fair. But we've seen lots of examples of teams going from way behind to seriously competing in a short space of time. Look at Leicester as the starkest example. Find the winning recipe and invest well, and you can get there relatively rapidly. The thing is, United's financial power means we can keep failing and despite that keep getting more free shots at getting it right. A club like Spurs, for example, has to get almost all of its decisions right to maintain competitiveness at the very top. Make a costly error and it could take some regrouping to edge back into contention. A club like Leicester can get all of its decisions right and still be miles off unless the stars align, because it can't invest at the same levels. United - quite unjustly - can be dysfunctional and keep getting to invest at a level that makes challenging for the top honours eminently thinkable. It just requires finding the right recipe. And the thing is, recipes can also be bought: know-how is also for sale.

I fully understand why most people hate MUFC. And why the current plight must be so enjoyable to those who have suffered through the arrogance of the years of success. I just think it's a bit complacent to assume, in a world more and more dominated by financial clout, that the patterns of the present inevitably shape the future.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 2/7/19

"Lindelof isn't quick either"

If it's an issue we should sell him then, because he is always going to be the defender that covers because that's what he is good at.

Speed is only required if you don't anticipate the run.

posted on 2/7/19

Beautifully put RR, which is why I think the diamondlights comment is a bit rubbish.

Also I agree with Robbing, he does have leadership qualities, and that is something we could do with. A future captain perhaps.

posted on 2/7/19

exactly Busby.

I remember a couple of seasons ago playing at Everton and Blind was up against Lennon and everyone was shatting themselves... blind didnt give him a sniff all game because he read the game so well

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
Maguire would not be an improvement on VVD-Gomez though.
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Or Matip given his form.
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Difficult to say. Matip and Lovren were a laughing stock without VVD beside them.

Gomes too wouldn't look as assured with any other partner.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
exactly Busby.

I remember a couple of seasons ago playing at Everton and Blind was up against Lennon and everyone was shatting themselves... blind didnt give him a sniff all game because he read the game so well
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Paolo Maldini: "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."

posted on 2/7/19

speed is over rated massively in a central defender, more of an essential attribute for a fb

posted on 2/7/19

While its an eye watering amount of cash (not a problem for united to pay and also not a problem if it doesn't work out due to their finances), it is the way the market has gone.

Average players these days will cost 40-50 million. Also Leicester don't need to sell to raise funds due to the amount of cash awash in the league so in fairness why shouldn't they rinse any clubs interested in their players?

posted on 2/7/19

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 minutes ago
Can't agree with any of that diamondlights. It's pretty much rubbish and a bit of wishful thinking.
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Fair enough..... I think OGS was a sentimental hire to appease a dissolutioned fan base. All this harping back to the good old days, SAF, Club DNA is all a load of bollix. Hire the best people to do the job who have a clear vision in place ... City (Vision, Great coach & money... won the treble) Liverpool (Vision, great use of the Couhtinho cash, great manager.. won the CL) Spurs (no money but a great manager with vision and philosophy achieved top 4/CL against the odds

United have lots of money, lots of mercenaries and lots of fans taking a victory lap over winning the Ropey, League/ FA Cup but failing in the biggies that have defined their great history

You guys cant have it both ways..... I hear the excuse from United fans all the time..... Decent Run of form ("OGS is the greatest thing since sliced bread" Shocking end to the season ("These aren't Ole's players... He needs at least 3 windows and a min of 750mln quid"... Just seems like a ton of excuses & behind the ability to spend money

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 10 minutes ago
While its an eye watering amount of cash (not a problem for united to pay and also not a problem if it doesn't work out due to their finances), it is the way the market has gone.

Average players these days will cost 40-50 million. Also Leicester don't need to sell to raise funds due to the amount of cash awash in the league so in fairness why shouldn't they rinse any clubs interested in their players?
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In the case of AWB, average players cost £50m

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 10 minutes ago
While its an eye watering amount of cash (not a problem for united to pay and also not a problem if it doesn't work out due to their finances), it is the way the market has gone.

Average players these days will cost 40-50 million. Also Leicester don't need to sell to raise funds due to the amount of cash awash in the league so in fairness why shouldn't they rinse any clubs interested in their players?
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They also have the two richest clubs in England fighting it out for him.

City are desperate for English players due to the home grown rule too.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 10 minutes ago
While its an eye watering amount of cash (not a problem for united to pay and also not a problem if it doesn't work out due to their finances), it is the way the market has gone.

Average players these days will cost 40-50 million. Also Leicester don't need to sell to raise funds due to the amount of cash awash in the league so in fairness why shouldn't they rinse any clubs interested in their players?
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They also have the two richest clubs in England fighting it out for him.

City are desperate for English players due to the home grown rule too.
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Exactly Busby so Leicester should make as much as they can if he does go.
Also when I stated average players go for 40-50 million I was not singling out AWB for example as I know someone will accuse me.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 9 minutes ago
While its an eye watering amount of cash (not a problem for united to pay and also not a problem if it doesn't work out due to their finances), it is the way the market has gone.

Average players these days will cost 40-50 million. Also Leicester don't need to sell to raise funds due to the amount of cash awash in the league so in fairness why shouldn't they rinse any clubs interested in their players?
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A rational Liverpool fan. Well I never.

He's not worth £70m plus we all know it. How many CB's worldwide are undisputedly better than him right now?

VVD, Laporte, Koulibally, Varane, De Ligt......after that I'm struggling. Likes of Ramos, Chielini and Godin not what they were. He's definitely in the bracket just below those first lot among with a few others.



posted on 2/7/19

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
exactly Busby.

I remember a couple of seasons ago playing at Everton and Blind was up against Lennon and everyone was shatting themselves... blind didnt give him a sniff all game because he read the game so well
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Paolo Maldini: "If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."
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Mick McCarthy: "The ball may pass or the player may pass but never the both together"

posted on 2/7/19

and here i was thinking you were having a good window so far. this would be madness.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 minute ago
and here i was thinking you were having a good window so far. this would be madness.
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Name a better CB we could realistically sign.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
And everybody does want a pay day. Also aaprt from Leicester once none of those other teams win anything. We have won three even whilst being poor by our standards.
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Yes they do. Maybe your standards are falling ? Nobody has a divine right to be great for forever. Don't think it matters how much money you spend. Unlike, City, Liverpool & to a lesser extent Spurs, there just doesn't feel like there's much of an identity at United. All that starts at the top & is reflected in the football side by its manager.... Other than harping on about the past & creating some kind of "old boys network" United just seem miles behind the others......as you have proved, throwing huge amounts of money at the problem wont change anything
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A whole 5 points...absolutely miles behind

posted on 2/7/19

The £70m bid has been turned down apparently.

Time to walk away.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 9 minutes ago
While its an eye watering amount of cash (not a problem for united to pay and also not a problem if it doesn't work out due to their finances), it is the way the market has gone.

Average players these days will cost 40-50 million. Also Leicester don't need to sell to raise funds due to the amount of cash awash in the league so in fairness why shouldn't they rinse any clubs interested in their players?
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A rational Liverpool fan. Well I never.

He's not worth £70m plus we all know it. How many CB's worldwide are undisputedly better than him right now?

VVD, Laporte, Koulibally, Varane, De Ligt......after that I'm struggling. Likes of Ramos, Chielini and Godin not what they were. He's definitely in the bracket just below those first lot among with a few others.

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Gotta hand it to ya. You rate Maguire VERY highly.

Higher than the litany of Leicester fans in my business who watch him live a lot in fact.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
And everybody does want a pay day. Also aaprt from Leicester once none of those other teams win anything. We have won three even whilst being poor by our standards.
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Yes they do. Maybe your standards are falling ? Nobody has a divine right to be great for forever. Don't think it matters how much money you spend. Unlike, City, Liverpool & to a lesser extent Spurs, there just doesn't feel like there's much of an identity at United. All that starts at the top & is reflected in the football side by its manager.... Other than harping on about the past & creating some kind of "old boys network" United just seem miles behind the others......as you have proved, throwing huge amounts of money at the problem wont change anything
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You see, unfortunately this is where you are wrong.

If we keep plugging away and spending plenty of money (that we legitimately earn unlike others), eventually we will build a strong team. There are plenty of examples throughout history of football teams spending their way to the top.

In the boardroom we have at least recognised there are problems with certain processes in the club and they are in the process of being addressed, and actively recruited for.

If I were you, I’d be far more concerned that your absolutely saddled with debt from your shiny new stadium, you’ve a very ageing squad, Poch will most likely do 1 season more with you before he’s snapped up and your only true top class player is Kane.

I think I’m the next 2 seasons spurs could drop right back.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 1 minute ago
No I didn’t. I said defensively I think Smalling is as good. Read it again
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you said on the ball and in the air, smalling is no where near his level
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He is decent on the ball and good in the air. They are his attributes however defensively I’d say Smalling is as good

That is what I said. I don’t quite know what is so difficult to understand
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Totally agree. He’s suspect defensively, always has been. Got no pace, little awareness of what’s around him and frequently loses the ball high up the pitch putting us under pressure. Very good at set pieces though
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Don’t tell that to Nick. Apparently he got dispossessed 0.2 times per game last season. Not sure where he got it from mind
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From whoscored. also the same figure on sportsman.com. Also has a 85.6% passing accuracy.

People have an issue with being wrong on this site. It happens.
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From what??? Never heard of either. Like i said before. I watch football with my eyes then make my judgement. Not simply on whoscored.com stats.
Secondly you also have a leicester fan who i would hazard a guess has seen him a lot more than me or you and he says pretty much the same thing that he gets caught out now and again. I didn't say on a regular basis now did I

posted on 2/7/19

They have turned it down

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 2/7/19

Let's be honest here, nobody thought VVD was worth £75m. He's proven otherwise.

The sums paid these days are only remembered if the player fails.

Could we do better than Maguire for £70m+? I'd like to think with good scouting yes we could. But he would improve us in an area we need improvement.

posted on 2/7/19

I'd rather take my eye test plus stats that back it up rather than just your eye test.

And you said frequently which literally means regular basis.

posted on 2/7/19

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 seconds ago
I'd rather take my eye test plus stats that back it up rather than just your eye test.

And you said frequently which literally means regular basis.
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So you disagree with leicester fans aswell do you? Instead you are taking some stats from some pony site

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