comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
We've been hovering up these so called players over last 6 years and got nowhere so I don't really care.
Liverpool have become one of best teams in Europe without buying into the galactic approach. Salah wasn't a huge name when he joined. He was a bit of a PL flop.
They also bought a lot of players from lesser clubs and even from the Championship with a few.
It's about the name on the front of the shirt that counts, not the back.
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It’s about players who want to play for the shirt and the manager.
Like you say about some of our signings. They aren’t big names but have fully bought into the managers philosophy and would run through brick walls for him
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ag
We've been hovering up these so called players over last 6 years and got nowhere so I don't really care.
Liverpool have become one of best teams in Europe without buying into the galactic approach. Salah wasn't a huge name when he joined. He was a bit of a PL flop.
They also bought a lot of players from lesser clubs and even from the Championship with a few.
It's about the name on the front of the shirt that counts, not the back.
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I think people really overlook what Klopp and his coaches have done with that Liverpool side, its not just about running after the ball and being good on it, the tactics off the ball, every player knows where they should be at on the pitch, where to run off the ball and where to deliver the ball when in possession, they've all bought into Klopps way of things.
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
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A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
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Allison, VVD etc would probably have signed for Liverpool with Rogers or Daglish in charge though.
I'm sure had it been any of City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea in for them, they'd of happily moved to these clubs too.
Having a great manager helps, but most of the time that isn't the reason a player makes a move. Managers rarely last more than 5 years these days and players are used to having worked for different people.
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I doubt they would.
Kloop took over when we had a poor squad and went and got the likes off mane, Salah, VVD, Fabinho, Allison.
Without Klopp many of those (IMO) would have gone else where.
Mane - could’ve gone to Utd & Spurs, Klopp wanted him when he was at Dortmund and was instrumental in getting him.
Allison - Picked us over Chelsea.
VVD - City where after him.
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But if Liverpool were not in for Allison or VVD, they'd have likely still move a step up from Southampton and Roma.
Same as I believe they would to any other of the PL top 6 who offer bigger wages and a platform to perform.
All of those players moved from smaller clubs.
Liverpool have a strike force of Mane, Salah n Firmino. One came from Southampton, another from Hoffenheim and the other from Roma after a very unsuccessful stint at Chelsea.
It just proves that you don't have to go to the biggest clubs to build a great team.
Their midfield consists of James Milner, Winjaldum n Henderson. None of the elite clubs in Europe would want them in their best 11's.
Liverpool have built a unit and a team and fair play to them it's working. That's what we should be doing.
The names on the back should always pale into insignificance to the name on the badge.
I wouldn't be 100% confident that Salah would have been such a success had United had the foresight to buy him. We always look at these things with the benefit of hindsight: "why didn't we buy him?" And of course United's recruitment strategy has been testicular over the last few years. But the success or failure of a player also plays into a wider context: it's a matrix of individuals and the collective, and when the manager, the plan, and too many of the other players aren't right, you can't say for sure whether it's the new arrival who wasn't good enough for the team or the team that bad the new player look worse than he is.
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
Utd are one of the biggest clubs about no doubt in that.
I just think appointing Poch would’ve gone a bit further with bringing players in.
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I reckon we'd still have struggled to offload them, leaving us in the same position. A full squad, a huge wage bill and unable to bring many more players in.
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 54 minutes ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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nonsense
Busby
I would imagine a few players maybe enticed to leave if they don't make the Prem Squad.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
Utd are one of the biggest clubs about no doubt in that.
I just think appointing Poch would’ve gone a bit further with bringing players in.
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I reckon we'd still have struggled to offload them, leaving us in the same position. A full squad, a huge wage bill and unable to bring many more players in.
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Which makes the decisions to hand new contracts to Jones, Young & Mata more baffling.
One thing klopp did well for us was ship the sh!te out.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Busby
I would imagine a few players maybe enticed to leave if they don't make the Prem Squad.
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Can see maybe a few last minute loan deals if moves don't transpire. The European window doesn't shut till end of August.
If we buy Maguire I can't for the life of me see why we need to keep all these CB's. Get Rojo out and possibly Jones too.
Getting Darmian and Rojo out should be the absolute minimum.
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Jones has gone way beyond the last chance saloon for me.
He had to be got rid of.
mane was widely regarded as a top class pl striker (imagine the price if he was english), firminho was the best player in the bundesliga and salah was a world class talent for whom it just had not worked out yet.
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I don't know if hes joking or being serious, someone help...!
It was Hippo. Take it with a pinch of salt.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Jones has gone way beyond the last chance saloon for me.
He had to be got rid of.
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Still can't believe we gave that crock a new 4 and a half year contract with the option of another year in February.
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Mind boggling really.
Yes get him signed up for a couple of years so he can't leave on a free, but in all reality with his injury issues letting him leave on a free might be the way to go.
They can, although only if other clubs who are more attractive aren't in for them, offering the same.
We have touched on this before but in Pochettino's first two summers at Spurs he got rid of the following...
15/16
Roberto Soldado - £14.40m
Andros Townsend - £14.13m
Paulinho - £12.60m
Étienne Capoue - £8.01m
Benjamin Stambouli - £7.74m
Vlad Chiriches SSC - £6.30m
Lewis Holtby - £5.85m
Aaron Lennon - £5.40m
Younès Kaboul - £3.87m
14/15
Gylfi Sigurdsson - £9.09m
Sandro - £6.75m
Jake Livermore - £6.30m
Kyle Naughton - £5.94m
Michael Dawson - £3.96m
Zeki Fryers - £3.42m
This is the type of ruthless selling that we should have done with Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Grant et al.
Of course they can ffs!!!!
It is Manchester United, the biggest club in English football, don't let a couple of quieter years fool you. Makes me laugh how people overdramatize situations, this club in 'massive decline' finished second 14 months ago, the best position Liverpool have managed in three decades.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 1 minute ago
We have touched on this before but in Pochettino's first two summers at Spurs he got rid of the following...
15/16
Roberto Soldado - £14.40m
Andros Townsend - £14.13m
Paulinho - £12.60m
Étienne Capoue - £8.01m
Benjamin Stambouli - £7.74m
Vlad Chiriches SSC - £6.30m
Lewis Holtby - £5.85m
Aaron Lennon - £5.40m
Younès Kaboul - £3.87m
14/15
Gylfi Sigurdsson - £9.09m
Sandro - £6.75m
Jake Livermore - £6.30m
Kyle Naughton - £5.94m
Michael Dawson - £3.96m
Zeki Fryers - £3.42m
This is the type of ruthless selling that we should have done with Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Grant et al.
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Problem is the maximum wage from that lot was probably Paulinho on £10 a week plus a Freddo.
Even when they invested in players like Soldado, they never went high with wages.
I understand your point Winston with players like Sanchez, who will be very difficult to shift now.
But there will be a host of top flight clubs who could match or get relatively close to the wages we are likely to be giving Darmian and Rojo for example. If not, this is when we can be ruthless and decide, lets sell for a lower valuation to get these people off our books.
We make up any lost transfer fees in wages we save. There is no point in them being at the club as they are not playing or on the treatment table.
The players have to actually want to move though.
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posted on 10/7/19
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
We've been hovering up these so called players over last 6 years and got nowhere so I don't really care.
Liverpool have become one of best teams in Europe without buying into the galactic approach. Salah wasn't a huge name when he joined. He was a bit of a PL flop.
They also bought a lot of players from lesser clubs and even from the Championship with a few.
It's about the name on the front of the shirt that counts, not the back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s about players who want to play for the shirt and the manager.
Like you say about some of our signings. They aren’t big names but have fully bought into the managers philosophy and would run through brick walls for him
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ag
We've been hovering up these so called players over last 6 years and got nowhere so I don't really care.
Liverpool have become one of best teams in Europe without buying into the galactic approach. Salah wasn't a huge name when he joined. He was a bit of a PL flop.
They also bought a lot of players from lesser clubs and even from the Championship with a few.
It's about the name on the front of the shirt that counts, not the back.
--
I think people really overlook what Klopp and his coaches have done with that Liverpool side, its not just about running after the ball and being good on it, the tactics off the ball, every player knows where they should be at on the pitch, where to run off the ball and where to deliver the ball when in possession, they've all bought into Klopps way of things.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
Well how did Liverpool attract top talent?
They spent a lot of money on very good players who were not world stars.
It isn't that difficult, the majority of clubs in the world rely on good scouting and average transfer budgets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A top manager with proven success at winning, that players want to play for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Allison, VVD etc would probably have signed for Liverpool with Rogers or Daglish in charge though.
I'm sure had it been any of City, Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea in for them, they'd of happily moved to these clubs too.
Having a great manager helps, but most of the time that isn't the reason a player makes a move. Managers rarely last more than 5 years these days and players are used to having worked for different people.
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I doubt they would.
Kloop took over when we had a poor squad and went and got the likes off mane, Salah, VVD, Fabinho, Allison.
Without Klopp many of those (IMO) would have gone else where.
Mane - could’ve gone to Utd & Spurs, Klopp wanted him when he was at Dortmund and was instrumental in getting him.
Allison - Picked us over Chelsea.
VVD - City where after him.
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But if Liverpool were not in for Allison or VVD, they'd have likely still move a step up from Southampton and Roma.
Same as I believe they would to any other of the PL top 6 who offer bigger wages and a platform to perform.
All of those players moved from smaller clubs.
posted on 10/7/19
Liverpool have a strike force of Mane, Salah n Firmino. One came from Southampton, another from Hoffenheim and the other from Roma after a very unsuccessful stint at Chelsea.
It just proves that you don't have to go to the biggest clubs to build a great team.
Their midfield consists of James Milner, Winjaldum n Henderson. None of the elite clubs in Europe would want them in their best 11's.
Liverpool have built a unit and a team and fair play to them it's working. That's what we should be doing.
The names on the back should always pale into insignificance to the name on the badge.
posted on 10/7/19
I wouldn't be 100% confident that Salah would have been such a success had United had the foresight to buy him. We always look at these things with the benefit of hindsight: "why didn't we buy him?" And of course United's recruitment strategy has been testicular over the last few years. But the success or failure of a player also plays into a wider context: it's a matrix of individuals and the collective, and when the manager, the plan, and too many of the other players aren't right, you can't say for sure whether it's the new arrival who wasn't good enough for the team or the team that bad the new player look worse than he is.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
Utd are one of the biggest clubs about no doubt in that.
I just think appointing Poch would’ve gone a bit further with bringing players in.
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I reckon we'd still have struggled to offload them, leaving us in the same position. A full squad, a huge wage bill and unable to bring many more players in.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Keano's Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 54 minutes ago
We’ve never attracted top talent though.
We have always developed our own or bought young / emerging players and developed them ourselves.
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nonsense
posted on 10/7/19
Busby
I would imagine a few players maybe enticed to leave if they don't make the Prem Squad.
posted on 10/7/19
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posted on 10/7/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
Utd are one of the biggest clubs about no doubt in that.
I just think appointing Poch would’ve gone a bit further with bringing players in.
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I reckon we'd still have struggled to offload them, leaving us in the same position. A full squad, a huge wage bill and unable to bring many more players in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which makes the decisions to hand new contracts to Jones, Young & Mata more baffling.
One thing klopp did well for us was ship the sh!te out.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Busby
I would imagine a few players maybe enticed to leave if they don't make the Prem Squad.
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Can see maybe a few last minute loan deals if moves don't transpire. The European window doesn't shut till end of August.
If we buy Maguire I can't for the life of me see why we need to keep all these CB's. Get Rojo out and possibly Jones too.
posted on 10/7/19
Getting Darmian and Rojo out should be the absolute minimum.
posted on 10/7/19
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posted on 10/7/19
Jones has gone way beyond the last chance saloon for me.
He had to be got rid of.
posted on 10/7/19
mane was widely regarded as a top class pl striker (imagine the price if he was english), firminho was the best player in the bundesliga and salah was a world class talent for whom it just had not worked out yet.
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I don't know if hes joking or being serious, someone help...!
posted on 10/7/19
It was Hippo. Take it with a pinch of salt.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Jones has gone way beyond the last chance saloon for me.
He had to be got rid of.
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Still can't believe we gave that crock a new 4 and a half year contract with the option of another year in February.
posted on 10/7/19
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posted on 10/7/19
Mind boggling really.
Yes get him signed up for a couple of years so he can't leave on a free, but in all reality with his injury issues letting him leave on a free might be the way to go.
posted on 10/7/19
They can, although only if other clubs who are more attractive aren't in for them, offering the same.
posted on 10/7/19
We have touched on this before but in Pochettino's first two summers at Spurs he got rid of the following...
15/16
Roberto Soldado - £14.40m
Andros Townsend - £14.13m
Paulinho - £12.60m
Étienne Capoue - £8.01m
Benjamin Stambouli - £7.74m
Vlad Chiriches SSC - £6.30m
Lewis Holtby - £5.85m
Aaron Lennon - £5.40m
Younès Kaboul - £3.87m
14/15
Gylfi Sigurdsson - £9.09m
Sandro - £6.75m
Jake Livermore - £6.30m
Kyle Naughton - £5.94m
Michael Dawson - £3.96m
Zeki Fryers - £3.42m
This is the type of ruthless selling that we should have done with Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Grant et al.
posted on 10/7/19
Of course they can ffs!!!!
It is Manchester United, the biggest club in English football, don't let a couple of quieter years fool you. Makes me laugh how people overdramatize situations, this club in 'massive decline' finished second 14 months ago, the best position Liverpool have managed in three decades.
posted on 10/7/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 1 minute ago
We have touched on this before but in Pochettino's first two summers at Spurs he got rid of the following...
15/16
Roberto Soldado - £14.40m
Andros Townsend - £14.13m
Paulinho - £12.60m
Étienne Capoue - £8.01m
Benjamin Stambouli - £7.74m
Vlad Chiriches SSC - £6.30m
Lewis Holtby - £5.85m
Aaron Lennon - £5.40m
Younès Kaboul - £3.87m
14/15
Gylfi Sigurdsson - £9.09m
Sandro - £6.75m
Jake Livermore - £6.30m
Kyle Naughton - £5.94m
Michael Dawson - £3.96m
Zeki Fryers - £3.42m
This is the type of ruthless selling that we should have done with Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Grant et al.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem is the maximum wage from that lot was probably Paulinho on £10 a week plus a Freddo.
Even when they invested in players like Soldado, they never went high with wages.
posted on 10/7/19
I understand your point Winston with players like Sanchez, who will be very difficult to shift now.
But there will be a host of top flight clubs who could match or get relatively close to the wages we are likely to be giving Darmian and Rojo for example. If not, this is when we can be ruthless and decide, lets sell for a lower valuation to get these people off our books.
We make up any lost transfer fees in wages we save. There is no point in them being at the club as they are not playing or on the treatment table.
posted on 10/7/19
The players have to actually want to move though.
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