Well that went about as expected didn't it.
As bad as the bowling was, I think you can put much of that down to extenuating circumstances. No excuses on the batting front though. I don't care how good the Aussie bowling is. That pitch was imo good enough to grind out a draw on for anyone that wants to call themselves a test match batsman
comment by Pakistan till I die (U10140)
posted 13 minutes ago
told u guys, England are in for real battering, too much bang bang will cost them in long term. India can help u win the world cup but againt Aus u need to be a legend.
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I didn’t understand any of that.
comment by Dubbed the new Emery (U21076)
posted 5 minutes ago
Well that went about as expected didn't it.
As bad as the bowling was, I think you can put much of that down to extenuating circumstances. No excuses on the batting front though. I don't care how good the Aussie bowling is. That pitch was imo good enough to grind out a draw on for anyone that wants to call themselves a test match batsman
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"not good thinking cricket that - tha no's" as Boycott likes to remind us...& he's right, some of our batting was amateur club level stuff
That was a shambolic capitulation, started off by Roy, who played a brainless shot when you are batting to save the game. Fairly gutless from the rest of them.
That said, Smith was the difference between the 2 teams, a cheat who should have been banned for life, so you could say England were unlucky in that regard.
What a difference. Aus from 122/8 to getting to impregnable positing by second session of day 4 and England hardly posting any fight when they were on backfoot on day 5.
Not even one fifty in the final day and people are still banging on about Smith.
Was Smith bowling leg spin today? Did he get 6 wickets?
You know what? You play any international side in the world even the WI side of the early 2000s and you are likely to face a world class batsman or 2. Is that an excuse really?
comment by JustTrue (U13155)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not even one fifty in the final day and people are still banging on about Smith.
Was Smith bowling leg spin today? Did he get 6 wickets?
You know what? You play any international side in the world even the WI side of the early 2000s and you are likely to face a world class batsman or 2. Is that an excuse really?
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Spot on, Cant blame Eng for Aus dominating on 4th day given they were bowler short and Moeen been their lone spinner but capitulation on final day was abysmal.
Eng have a very weak batting line up. And bowling wise think Aus might be edging slightly on that front too. Eng bowlers are at best medium pacers and if there is no swing on offer, hard to see how Smith will not carry on piling runs.
Root unfortunately has never turned up against big teams. He is always outshadowed by opposition batsmen and this is turning out to be no different. One of the biggest disappointments of this era. Used to be classed with Kohli, KW and Smith. Now think he might have dropped down the list. Think players like Pujara and Babar Azam are probably higher on that list
Ahhhh. Now I see why it’s called the ashes!
That’s what England’s dreams are now!
Root is going through a tough spell right now but saying he never turns up against the bit teams is nonsense.
- Average 42 with 3 centuries against Australia.
- averages 56 with 4 centuries against India.
- averages 61 against Pakistan.
- averages 56 against South Africa.
Would like comparison of his average as captain and non-captain
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 44 minutes ago
Root is going through a tough spell right now but saying he never turns up against the bit teams is nonsense.
- Average 42 with 3 centuries against Australia.
- averages 56 with 4 centuries against India.
- averages 61 against Pakistan.
- averages 56 against South Africa.
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Well Root is no longer the match winner he once was. He reaches 50 routinely but never goes on to make big scores.
I also notice he used to be so difficult to get out, would never throw his wicket away. He gets out softly a lot more now, notably in the World Cup final (albeit one day)
Time to move on to next week...this is done
New ground, full set of bowlers, hopefully Moen dropped we will do better
Graham Thorpe needs to pull Roy aside and teach him what a good ball looks like and then how to leave it alone
The bowling coach needs to sit with the bowlers and study Smith - then work out a plan to get the facker out
Root averages 40 batting at 3, compared to 50 batting at 4.
His best position according to the stats is at 5, where he averages 71 - 29 innings in that position.
I'm guessing the averages are likely to be lower with the added responsibility of captaincy.
I think Root started off ok as Captain and then his batting fell off a cliff
I think he is averaging under 40 since the end of the 2017 Summer
Career batting average is at 48
Whilst captain it has dropped to 42
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 44 minutes ago
Root is going through a tough spell right now but saying he never turns up against the bit teams is nonsense.
- Average 42 with 3 centuries against Australia.
- averages 56 with 4 centuries against India.
- averages 61 against Pakistan.
- averages 56 against South Africa.
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Well Root is no longer the match winner he once was. He reaches 50 routinely but never goes on to make big scores.
I also notice he used to be so difficult to get out, would never throw his wicket away. He gets out softly a lot more now, notably in the World Cup final (albeit one day)
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Yeah I've said before I think it's the pressure of both the captaincy and the pressure of no settled top 3 so he's often coming in after 10 overs with everyone looking at him to save the game.
Others need to step up and help him.
Root still looks like a fifteen year old...never seems to have that authority look about him...I wonder if we'll ever use Morgan in tests
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/362927
I was worried about it when he got the job. Who was the last English Captain that bat well as Captain?
Probably Gooch in the early 90s
Atherton, Stewart, Hussain, Vaughan, KP, Strauss, Cook struggled and then they decided on Root
Morgan averages 30 in test cricket so I don't think he's the answer your're looking for.
With how bad he is against the short ball, he wouldn't last very long.
I'm sure he's admitted that he's not good enough to play test
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/i-wasnt-good-enough-for-test-cricket-eoin-morgan-1955185.html
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 9 minutes ago
Root averages 40 batting at 3, compared to 50 batting at 4.
His best position according to the stats is at 5, where he averages 71 - 29 innings in that position.
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Indeed. He gets worse the more responsibility he has. Great fit for the captaincy
To be fair it's not like there's any other candidates knocking down the door. That's why I'm praying Burns works out - he's been a great skipper for Surrey
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 2 minutes ago
Morgan averages 30 in test cricket so I don't think he's the answer your're looking for.
With how bad he is against the short ball, he wouldn't last very long.
I'm sure he's admitted that he's not good enough to play test
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/i-wasnt-good-enough-for-test-cricket-eoin-morgan-1955185.html
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His current level of captaincy in ODI,s might just warrant him a place though...he could bat at about 6 or 7
Not out of the question
Morgan will not be considered, I doubt he's even interested in Test Cricket.
I don't get why Foakes is not in the team, he averaged 40 when playing in the side and I'm sure he was named player of the series in Sri Lanka.
Denly hasn't been convincing either, Sibley should come in for him and perhaps replace Roy as the opener, dropping Roy down to 4.
Yeah it's not even a knock at Root that he's a crap captain, some players simply aren't captain material. A lot of the best players in the world have been p!ss poor captains.
I don't think Morgan is the answer but equally would be happy with a specialist captain. Brearley was arguably our best ever captain and he averaged 20 with the bat and didn't bowl.
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posted on 5/8/19
Well that went about as expected didn't it.
As bad as the bowling was, I think you can put much of that down to extenuating circumstances. No excuses on the batting front though. I don't care how good the Aussie bowling is. That pitch was imo good enough to grind out a draw on for anyone that wants to call themselves a test match batsman
posted on 5/8/19
comment by Pakistan till I die (U10140)
posted 13 minutes ago
told u guys, England are in for real battering, too much bang bang will cost them in long term. India can help u win the world cup but againt Aus u need to be a legend.
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I didn’t understand any of that.
posted on 5/8/19
comment by Dubbed the new Emery (U21076)
posted 5 minutes ago
Well that went about as expected didn't it.
As bad as the bowling was, I think you can put much of that down to extenuating circumstances. No excuses on the batting front though. I don't care how good the Aussie bowling is. That pitch was imo good enough to grind out a draw on for anyone that wants to call themselves a test match batsman
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"not good thinking cricket that - tha no's" as Boycott likes to remind us...& he's right, some of our batting was amateur club level stuff
posted on 5/8/19
That was a shambolic capitulation, started off by Roy, who played a brainless shot when you are batting to save the game. Fairly gutless from the rest of them.
That said, Smith was the difference between the 2 teams, a cheat who should have been banned for life, so you could say England were unlucky in that regard.
posted on 5/8/19
What a difference. Aus from 122/8 to getting to impregnable positing by second session of day 4 and England hardly posting any fight when they were on backfoot on day 5.
posted on 5/8/19
Not even one fifty in the final day and people are still banging on about Smith.
Was Smith bowling leg spin today? Did he get 6 wickets?
You know what? You play any international side in the world even the WI side of the early 2000s and you are likely to face a world class batsman or 2. Is that an excuse really?
posted on 5/8/19
comment by JustTrue (U13155)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not even one fifty in the final day and people are still banging on about Smith.
Was Smith bowling leg spin today? Did he get 6 wickets?
You know what? You play any international side in the world even the WI side of the early 2000s and you are likely to face a world class batsman or 2. Is that an excuse really?
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Spot on, Cant blame Eng for Aus dominating on 4th day given they were bowler short and Moeen been their lone spinner but capitulation on final day was abysmal.
posted on 5/8/19
Eng have a very weak batting line up. And bowling wise think Aus might be edging slightly on that front too. Eng bowlers are at best medium pacers and if there is no swing on offer, hard to see how Smith will not carry on piling runs.
Root unfortunately has never turned up against big teams. He is always outshadowed by opposition batsmen and this is turning out to be no different. One of the biggest disappointments of this era. Used to be classed with Kohli, KW and Smith. Now think he might have dropped down the list. Think players like Pujara and Babar Azam are probably higher on that list
posted on 5/8/19
Ahhhh. Now I see why it’s called the ashes!
That’s what England’s dreams are now!
posted on 6/8/19
Root is going through a tough spell right now but saying he never turns up against the bit teams is nonsense.
- Average 42 with 3 centuries against Australia.
- averages 56 with 4 centuries against India.
- averages 61 against Pakistan.
- averages 56 against South Africa.
posted on 6/8/19
Would like comparison of his average as captain and non-captain
posted on 6/8/19
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 44 minutes ago
Root is going through a tough spell right now but saying he never turns up against the bit teams is nonsense.
- Average 42 with 3 centuries against Australia.
- averages 56 with 4 centuries against India.
- averages 61 against Pakistan.
- averages 56 against South Africa.
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Well Root is no longer the match winner he once was. He reaches 50 routinely but never goes on to make big scores.
I also notice he used to be so difficult to get out, would never throw his wicket away. He gets out softly a lot more now, notably in the World Cup final (albeit one day)
posted on 6/8/19
Time to move on to next week...this is done
New ground, full set of bowlers, hopefully Moen dropped we will do better
Graham Thorpe needs to pull Roy aside and teach him what a good ball looks like and then how to leave it alone
The bowling coach needs to sit with the bowlers and study Smith - then work out a plan to get the facker out
posted on 6/8/19
Root averages 40 batting at 3, compared to 50 batting at 4.
His best position according to the stats is at 5, where he averages 71 - 29 innings in that position.
posted on 6/8/19
I'm guessing the averages are likely to be lower with the added responsibility of captaincy.
posted on 6/8/19
I think Root started off ok as Captain and then his batting fell off a cliff
I think he is averaging under 40 since the end of the 2017 Summer
posted on 6/8/19
Career batting average is at 48
Whilst captain it has dropped to 42
posted on 6/8/19
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 44 minutes ago
Root is going through a tough spell right now but saying he never turns up against the bit teams is nonsense.
- Average 42 with 3 centuries against Australia.
- averages 56 with 4 centuries against India.
- averages 61 against Pakistan.
- averages 56 against South Africa.
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Well Root is no longer the match winner he once was. He reaches 50 routinely but never goes on to make big scores.
I also notice he used to be so difficult to get out, would never throw his wicket away. He gets out softly a lot more now, notably in the World Cup final (albeit one day)
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Yeah I've said before I think it's the pressure of both the captaincy and the pressure of no settled top 3 so he's often coming in after 10 overs with everyone looking at him to save the game.
Others need to step up and help him.
posted on 6/8/19
Root still looks like a fifteen year old...never seems to have that authority look about him...I wonder if we'll ever use Morgan in tests
posted on 6/8/19
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/362927
I was worried about it when he got the job. Who was the last English Captain that bat well as Captain?
Probably Gooch in the early 90s
Atherton, Stewart, Hussain, Vaughan, KP, Strauss, Cook struggled and then they decided on Root
posted on 6/8/19
Morgan averages 30 in test cricket so I don't think he's the answer your're looking for.
With how bad he is against the short ball, he wouldn't last very long.
I'm sure he's admitted that he's not good enough to play test
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/i-wasnt-good-enough-for-test-cricket-eoin-morgan-1955185.html
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 9 minutes ago
Root averages 40 batting at 3, compared to 50 batting at 4.
His best position according to the stats is at 5, where he averages 71 - 29 innings in that position.
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Indeed. He gets worse the more responsibility he has. Great fit for the captaincy
To be fair it's not like there's any other candidates knocking down the door. That's why I'm praying Burns works out - he's been a great skipper for Surrey
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 2 minutes ago
Morgan averages 30 in test cricket so I don't think he's the answer your're looking for.
With how bad he is against the short ball, he wouldn't last very long.
I'm sure he's admitted that he's not good enough to play test
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/i-wasnt-good-enough-for-test-cricket-eoin-morgan-1955185.html
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His current level of captaincy in ODI,s might just warrant him a place though...he could bat at about 6 or 7
Not out of the question
posted on 6/8/19
Morgan will not be considered, I doubt he's even interested in Test Cricket.
I don't get why Foakes is not in the team, he averaged 40 when playing in the side and I'm sure he was named player of the series in Sri Lanka.
Denly hasn't been convincing either, Sibley should come in for him and perhaps replace Roy as the opener, dropping Roy down to 4.
posted on 6/8/19
Yeah it's not even a knock at Root that he's a crap captain, some players simply aren't captain material. A lot of the best players in the world have been p!ss poor captains.
I don't think Morgan is the answer but equally would be happy with a specialist captain. Brearley was arguably our best ever captain and he averaged 20 with the bat and didn't bowl.
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