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I know what you mean about cyclists, but it's a specific subset of cyclists that behave badly. Typically they are male and are very invested in their cyclist identity, rather than people who are just using their bike to get somewhere.
My office moved to a location closer to my house recently and I've started cycling to work after driving for the previous 15 years. I love it. I feel like I'm 8 years old again pedalling along with the wind on my face. And it's good to think of the money I'm saving and little bit of extra cardio I'm getting.
I'd put 95% of the other cyclists in the same category as me, but there is that type of cyclist - usually with an expensive bike, often in lycra - who you get the feeling would rather get crushed by a bin lorry than be overtaken and seems to think it's a violation of his human rights if he has to stop at a junction.
That said, becoming a cyclist you have a much clearer view of which motorists are okay and which are angry, impatient knobheads by how much they rev and how much space they leave when they overtake you when you get past parked cars.
When I drive, I regularly do 30 mph in a 20 limit and closer to 40 in a 30 zone. I'm much better behaved as a cyclist, probably because I'm much more vulnerable.
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My mate was trying to sell a cyclist he found at the side of the rode. I declined, wasn’t sure if it was a knock-off.
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
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My mate was trying to sell a cyclist he found at the side of the rode. I declined, wasn’t sure if it was a knock-off.
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Rode?
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
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comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
My mate was trying to sell a cyclist he found at the side of the rode. I declined, wasn’t sure if it was a knock-off.
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Rode?
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Funny in both instances.
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City centre should be pedestrianised with cycle lanes
Cars are driven by angry people and cause pollution
Cyclists are happy and don’t cause pollution
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comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 27 minutes ago
City centre should be pedestrianised with cycle lanes
Cars are driven by angry people and cause pollution
Cyclists are happy and don’t cause pollution
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Cities like London should have enough cyclist only roads to allow safe commutes from one side of the city to another. Cars and bikes on same roads is just a long game of Russian roulette for the cyclist.
Doubt this will be popular but I have a solution which could work. Make every cyclist register to use the road. Having a bike should not qualify you to cycle on the road/pavement.
Provide a standard test which every cyclist must pass to prove competence same as a driver’s licence. A good cyclist should not require any formal teaching. The test is based on the green cross code. It could include a road signs theory test. Give cyclists a registration number which they must display on their push bikes.
We see cyclist and drivers with cameras on their dash/head to catch others breaking the rules so everyone knows there are plenty rule breakers out there (or why would so many bother).
If cyclists are registered, culprits become responsible for their actions. ATM if a motorist breaks the law anyone can write down their number plate and report them. Same should apply for cyclists.
Charge for the test to fund it and three points and the registration is revoked and a resit is required. An enforced ban period could be included to discourage bad habits. 3 months say. Only registered cyclists allowed on the roads. Fines for unregistered cyclists in built up areas. A point for any reported infraction.
This would promote better behaviour on two wheels, we don’t get the same misbehaviour from motorcyclists because of their registration plates. So it should work.
It can only really be tested in cities where CCTV can enforce it and more rural areas could keep with the status quo.
It could include for mandatory High Vis clothing, lights, helmets. No jumping on/off pavements to skip lights, stopping at junctions and red lights.
Registered bikes could be subject to annual mot to prove road worthiness.
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 3 minutes ago
We see cyclist and drivers with cameras on their dash/head to catch others breaking the rules so everyone knows there are plenty rule breakers out there (or why would so many bother).
If cyclists are registered, culprits become responsible for their actions. ATM if a motorist breaks the law anyone can write down their number plate and report them. Same should apply for cyclists.
Charge for the test to fund it and three points and the registration is revoked and a resit is required. An enforced ban period could be included to discourage bad habits. 3 months say. Only registered cyclists allowed on the roads. Fines for unregistered cyclists in built up areas. A point for any reported infraction.
This would promote better behaviour on two wheels, we don’t get the same misbehaviour from motorcyclists because of their registration plates. So it should work.
It can only really be tested in cities where CCTV can enforce it and more rural areas could keep with the status quo.
It could include for mandatory High Vis clothing, lights, helmets. No jumping on/off pavements to skip lights, stopping at junctions and red lights.
Registered bikes could be subject to annual mot to prove road worthiness.
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Imagine what people in more developed countries like The Netherlands and Denmark would say to this. The way forward is car free city centres, so that nuisance cars are not a danger to life to more vulnerable city centre users. The car has had priority in city centres for decades so I understand the way that you are thinking, but going forward the car is to be seen as an after thought and very much the bottom of the priority hierarchy in planning the future of our town and city centres.
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 17 minutes ago
We see cyclist and drivers with cameras on their dash/head to catch others breaking the rules so everyone knows there are plenty rule breakers out there (or why would so many bother).
If cyclists are registered, culprits become responsible for their actions. ATM if a motorist breaks the law anyone can write down their number plate and report them. Same should apply for cyclists.
Charge for the test to fund it and three points and the registration is revoked and a resit is required. An enforced ban period could be included to discourage bad habits. 3 months say. Only registered cyclists allowed on the roads. Fines for unregistered cyclists in built up areas. A point for any reported infraction.
This would promote better behaviour on two wheels, we don’t get the same misbehaviour from motorcyclists because of their registration plates. So it should work.
It can only really be tested in cities where CCTV can enforce it and more rural areas could keep with the status quo.
It could include for mandatory High Vis clothing, lights, helmets. No jumping on/off pavements to skip lights, stopping at junctions and red lights.
Registered bikes could be subject to annual mot to prove road worthiness.
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Rules are brilliant for road users. Speed limits are never broken by car drivers.
Or never using mobile devices.
Driving while under the influence of alcohol/drugs.
Middle lane/outside lane hogging on motorways and dual carriageway.
Maybe get the death boxes under control first.
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 45 minutes ago
Doubt this will be popular but I have a solution which could work. Make every cyclist register to use the road. Having a bike should not qualify you to cycle on the road/pavement.
Provide a standard test which every cyclist must pass to prove competence same as a driver’s licence. A good cyclist should not require any formal teaching. The test is based on the green cross code. It could include a road signs theory test. Give cyclists a registration number which they must display on their push bikes.
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Should we make humans learn how to walk as well then. Humans walk out in cars and bikes all the time while looking at phones. They walk in between cars and cross the roads in dangerous places. They also often don’t regard traffic lights and jump them.
I just had a read through the first couple of pages (out of 62!! ) of the earlier thread and have to say I think Winston makes a decent point about priorities. Yes, there are rule-breaking cyclists out there. But the clamour to make sure they are held to account to the same extent as motorists misses the point that cars are incomparably more dangerous. Some facts and figures:
Figures published by the Department for Transport show that 531 people were involved in collisions with cyclists in 2017. More than 120 pedestrians were seriously hurt in collisions with bikes last year and three were killed. In the same year 170,993 people were hit by cars; 24,831 seriously, with 1793 fatalities. Meanwhile, cyclists are about 15 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured per hundred miles travelled than car drivers.
When you consider the resources required to implement registration and policing of cyclists, while it may seem fair to treat every road users the same way (and I don't object to it in principle), it's hard to find an argument that this is a sensible use of money if the overall objective is improving road safety. If the argument is "we motorists get a kicking, so they should too", that's a different matter.
We can do two things at the same time Arouna.
It's easy to say keep City centres car free but difficult to do. People with poor mobility, deliveries, visiting and doctors, vets etc. Plus there are very votes in it because most want a car.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
We can do two things at the same time Arouna.
It's easy to say keep City centres car free but difficult to do. People with poor mobility, deliveries, visiting and doctors, vets etc. Plus there are very votes in it because most want a car.
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As a driver and a cyclist I see the good and bad from both. Can be guilty from both sides too.
But car drivers don’t own the roads. Current rules mean no tax and insurance needed for a push bike.
Care must be taken to not drive summer commuters back into cars and off the bike as traffic, congestion and pollution will rise and city driving taxes will be next.
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I know what you mean about cyclists, but it's a specific subset of cyclists that behave badly. Typically they are male and are very invested in their cyclist identity, rather than people who are just using their bike to get somewhere.
My office moved to a location closer to my house recently and I've started cycling to work after driving for the previous 15 years. I love it. I feel like I'm 8 years old again pedalling along with the wind on my face. And it's good to think of the money I'm saving and little bit of extra cardio I'm getting.
I'd put 95% of the other cyclists in the same category as me, but there is that type of cyclist - usually with an expensive bike, often in lycra - who you get the feeling would rather get crushed by a bin lorry than be overtaken and seems to think it's a violation of his human rights if he has to stop at a junction.
That said, becoming a cyclist you have a much clearer view of which motorists are okay and which are angry, impatient knobheads by how much they rev and how much space they leave when they overtake you when you get past parked cars.
When I drive, I regularly do 30 mph in a 20 limit and closer to 40 in a 30 zone. I'm much better behaved as a cyclist, probably because I'm much more vulnerable.
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Drivers are murderers.
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My mate was trying to sell a cyclist he found at the side of the rode. I declined, wasn’t sure if it was a knock-off.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
My mate was trying to sell a cyclist he found at the side of the rode. I declined, wasn’t sure if it was a knock-off.
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Rode?
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
My mate was trying to sell a cyclist he found at the side of the rode. I declined, wasn’t sure if it was a knock-off.
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Rode?
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Funny in both instances.
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posted on 15/7/19
City centre should be pedestrianised with cycle lanes
Cars are driven by angry people and cause pollution
Cyclists are happy and don’t cause pollution
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comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 27 minutes ago
City centre should be pedestrianised with cycle lanes
Cars are driven by angry people and cause pollution
Cyclists are happy and don’t cause pollution
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Cities like London should have enough cyclist only roads to allow safe commutes from one side of the city to another. Cars and bikes on same roads is just a long game of Russian roulette for the cyclist.
posted on 15/7/19
Doubt this will be popular but I have a solution which could work. Make every cyclist register to use the road. Having a bike should not qualify you to cycle on the road/pavement.
Provide a standard test which every cyclist must pass to prove competence same as a driver’s licence. A good cyclist should not require any formal teaching. The test is based on the green cross code. It could include a road signs theory test. Give cyclists a registration number which they must display on their push bikes.
posted on 15/7/19
We see cyclist and drivers with cameras on their dash/head to catch others breaking the rules so everyone knows there are plenty rule breakers out there (or why would so many bother).
If cyclists are registered, culprits become responsible for their actions. ATM if a motorist breaks the law anyone can write down their number plate and report them. Same should apply for cyclists.
Charge for the test to fund it and three points and the registration is revoked and a resit is required. An enforced ban period could be included to discourage bad habits. 3 months say. Only registered cyclists allowed on the roads. Fines for unregistered cyclists in built up areas. A point for any reported infraction.
This would promote better behaviour on two wheels, we don’t get the same misbehaviour from motorcyclists because of their registration plates. So it should work.
It can only really be tested in cities where CCTV can enforce it and more rural areas could keep with the status quo.
It could include for mandatory High Vis clothing, lights, helmets. No jumping on/off pavements to skip lights, stopping at junctions and red lights.
Registered bikes could be subject to annual mot to prove road worthiness.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 3 minutes ago
We see cyclist and drivers with cameras on their dash/head to catch others breaking the rules so everyone knows there are plenty rule breakers out there (or why would so many bother).
If cyclists are registered, culprits become responsible for their actions. ATM if a motorist breaks the law anyone can write down their number plate and report them. Same should apply for cyclists.
Charge for the test to fund it and three points and the registration is revoked and a resit is required. An enforced ban period could be included to discourage bad habits. 3 months say. Only registered cyclists allowed on the roads. Fines for unregistered cyclists in built up areas. A point for any reported infraction.
This would promote better behaviour on two wheels, we don’t get the same misbehaviour from motorcyclists because of their registration plates. So it should work.
It can only really be tested in cities where CCTV can enforce it and more rural areas could keep with the status quo.
It could include for mandatory High Vis clothing, lights, helmets. No jumping on/off pavements to skip lights, stopping at junctions and red lights.
Registered bikes could be subject to annual mot to prove road worthiness.
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Imagine what people in more developed countries like The Netherlands and Denmark would say to this. The way forward is car free city centres, so that nuisance cars are not a danger to life to more vulnerable city centre users. The car has had priority in city centres for decades so I understand the way that you are thinking, but going forward the car is to be seen as an after thought and very much the bottom of the priority hierarchy in planning the future of our town and city centres.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 17 minutes ago
We see cyclist and drivers with cameras on their dash/head to catch others breaking the rules so everyone knows there are plenty rule breakers out there (or why would so many bother).
If cyclists are registered, culprits become responsible for their actions. ATM if a motorist breaks the law anyone can write down their number plate and report them. Same should apply for cyclists.
Charge for the test to fund it and three points and the registration is revoked and a resit is required. An enforced ban period could be included to discourage bad habits. 3 months say. Only registered cyclists allowed on the roads. Fines for unregistered cyclists in built up areas. A point for any reported infraction.
This would promote better behaviour on two wheels, we don’t get the same misbehaviour from motorcyclists because of their registration plates. So it should work.
It can only really be tested in cities where CCTV can enforce it and more rural areas could keep with the status quo.
It could include for mandatory High Vis clothing, lights, helmets. No jumping on/off pavements to skip lights, stopping at junctions and red lights.
Registered bikes could be subject to annual mot to prove road worthiness.
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Rules are brilliant for road users. Speed limits are never broken by car drivers.
Or never using mobile devices.
Driving while under the influence of alcohol/drugs.
Middle lane/outside lane hogging on motorways and dual carriageway.
Maybe get the death boxes under control first.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 45 minutes ago
Doubt this will be popular but I have a solution which could work. Make every cyclist register to use the road. Having a bike should not qualify you to cycle on the road/pavement.
Provide a standard test which every cyclist must pass to prove competence same as a driver’s licence. A good cyclist should not require any formal teaching. The test is based on the green cross code. It could include a road signs theory test. Give cyclists a registration number which they must display on their push bikes.
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Should we make humans learn how to walk as well then. Humans walk out in cars and bikes all the time while looking at phones. They walk in between cars and cross the roads in dangerous places. They also often don’t regard traffic lights and jump them.
posted on 15/7/19
I just had a read through the first couple of pages (out of 62!! ) of the earlier thread and have to say I think Winston makes a decent point about priorities. Yes, there are rule-breaking cyclists out there. But the clamour to make sure they are held to account to the same extent as motorists misses the point that cars are incomparably more dangerous. Some facts and figures:
Figures published by the Department for Transport show that 531 people were involved in collisions with cyclists in 2017. More than 120 pedestrians were seriously hurt in collisions with bikes last year and three were killed. In the same year 170,993 people were hit by cars; 24,831 seriously, with 1793 fatalities. Meanwhile, cyclists are about 15 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured per hundred miles travelled than car drivers.
When you consider the resources required to implement registration and policing of cyclists, while it may seem fair to treat every road users the same way (and I don't object to it in principle), it's hard to find an argument that this is a sensible use of money if the overall objective is improving road safety. If the argument is "we motorists get a kicking, so they should too", that's a different matter.
posted on 15/7/19
We can do two things at the same time Arouna.
It's easy to say keep City centres car free but difficult to do. People with poor mobility, deliveries, visiting and doctors, vets etc. Plus there are very votes in it because most want a car.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
We can do two things at the same time Arouna.
It's easy to say keep City centres car free but difficult to do. People with poor mobility, deliveries, visiting and doctors, vets etc. Plus there are very votes in it because most want a car.
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As a driver and a cyclist I see the good and bad from both. Can be guilty from both sides too.
But car drivers don’t own the roads. Current rules mean no tax and insurance needed for a push bike.
Care must be taken to not drive summer commuters back into cars and off the bike as traffic, congestion and pollution will rise and city driving taxes will be next.
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