It feels more and more to me that this potential transfer for Man Utd isn't just about buying a centre half, but a captain too.
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I have said this all along.
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I don't think he'll improve us much. Feels like another Lukaku type signing.
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I think he does have certain attributes that are better than what we have. He's better than all of our players in the air, and he's better than most of our CB's on the ball. He's also got a good character and a bit of leadership about him, which we also need. I do think he's a good player. But no one will convince me there aren't better or comparable options available for much less than the quoted fees.
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I agree with being better in the air. I think Lindelof is better than him in the ball. I don't really know of he does have the leadership qualities we keep hearing about.
Out of the CBs we have, he'd probably work better with Smalling than the others, so not sure he'll solve a problem without causing another.
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No chance Lindelof is better on the ball, or at passing it out.
Funnily enough, Maguire may well stand more chance of being captain at Man Utd than he would at Leicester. I'm not sure who I'd hand the armband to at Man U, while he's behind Kasper Schmeichel in the pecking order at Leicester and he could easily be here for another 5 years or so. (Much to the consternation of one of our regular posters.)
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posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
What a mess the op is, creaming himself the other day over the news after bigging him up as one of the best around the year before
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Are you confusing me with someone else?! I’ve never ever said Harry Maguire is one of the best centre backs around. I’ve been saying we should sell him for months. I just want the money - why wouldn’t you take that for a decent CB
You won't be getting the money, the club will. If you keep selling good players you could do a Leeds while being loaded.
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posted 59 minutes ago
You won't be getting the money, the club will. If you keep selling good players you could do a Leeds while being loaded.
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the difference is we re-invest the money into attracting more top talent that your scouts keep missing.
It’s a brilliant system. You could have had Maguire for £4m but passed him up. A while later we get him for £17m, get the best out of him and sell him to you for £90m. Same with Mahrez, other clubs should have spotted him - we get him for £400k and sell him for £60m.
We’re like the mino raoila middleman making an absolute killing out of you and city, then just buying more young talent to do it again. And we’re growing financially, building the best new training academy on the country and set to put in a challenge for top 6
I should be thanking you really
Nothing lasts Black star. You won't keep finding great young players cheap. Do you think that you are the only club with good scouts? Every club has unearthed some gems, including us, but you need to spend big if you want to stay near the top. It's no coincidence the big spenders dominate. And how will you challenge for top6 if we don't buy your average CB.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nothing lasts Black star. You won't keep finding great young players cheap. Do you think that you are the only club with good scouts? Every club has unearthed some gems, including us, but you need to spend big if you want to stay near the top. It's no coincidence the big spenders dominate. And how will you challenge for top6 if we don't buy your average CB.
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It’s called growing sustainably. We’ve spent a fair bit and will shell out when we need to, but the reason we won’t the title is because our scouting team was way ahead of everyone else’s. How else do you explain signing the likes of Mahrez, Vardy and Kante for a combined £7m?
As long as the scouting infrastructure is in place, then we don’t need to keep blowing big money on average players. You’ve spent more than anyone in the last 5 years - it’s got you absolutely nowhere
I’m pleased with how we are growing as a club after a rocky period post title win. The gems keep being unearthed and we have an owner who has ambitions of getting the club into Europe
We have wasted plenty. But City and Liverpool didn't, and look where they are. I live near Caen, the fans and media were full of Kante, you didn't need a top scout, you needed a manager to back him, and an owner to put his hand in his pocket. You have good reasons to be optimistic, so do Wolves and others, but it cost Chelsea a lot to get where they are, and City, and it will you too.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 minutes ago
We have wasted plenty. But City and Liverpool didn't, and look where they are. I live near Caen, the fans and media were full of Kante, you didn't need a top scout, you needed a manager to back him, and an owner to put his hand in his pocket. You have good reasons to be optimistic, so do Wolves and others, but it cost Chelsea a lot to get where they are, and City, and it will you too.
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What about Mahrez was he hyped at £400k? If Kante was the next big thing why was no other PL in for him? We got him for £5m FFS. It’s top scouting - that’s the difference.
No ones suggesting we don’t need to spend a lot of money - but it can be done sustainably. Look at Spurs. An example of a club who have overtaken you without spending like City
Spurs did it by having a better manager. Of course others could, and should ,have come in for him( Kante ) but you could say the same about Robertson,at Pool, Ole and Schmikes and loads of others that came to us. There are only so many you can sign, and some you will win and some you will lose. You don't have a magic formula. You are doing well and all credit to the club, in fact I like to see clubs doing well that aren't just the same old faces. But I bet Forest supporters thought it would last for ever, nothing does, I've supported us in the second division, and seen Pool in the second division.
Leicester do seem to have it right at the minute.
Invest 1-2 large fees a season (£40m for Tielemans this season, Pereira last) and supplement it with 3-4 younger cheap purchases of future talent. Allow them to grown under the current experienced team.
That works whilst you can hold the core of the team. We can cope with the odd Maguire loss, but we can’t do a Southampton and suddenly shed 3-4 of our best players - that’s when it gets dangerous.
Spot on Merseysidefox. You are doing everything right. But there is no guarantee that a Tielsman or Pereira will do quite what is hoped fpr, let alone the promising youngsters. You will have a very good season imo, but I think the OP is getting a little giddy.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 minutes ago
Spurs did it by having a better manager. Of course others could, and should ,have come in for him( Kante ) but you could say the same about Robertson,at Pool, Ole and Schmikes and loads of others that came to us. There are only so many you can sign, and some you will win and some you will lose. You don't have a magic formula. You are doing well and all credit to the club, in fact I like to see clubs doing well that aren't just the same old faces. But I bet Forest supporters thought it would last for ever, nothing does, I've supported us in the second division, and seen Pool in the second division.
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It’s different times now with the gap between the PL and the championship growing further apart by the season. Not saying we will always stray in the premier league, we could be sold to some idiot who doesn’t know what he’s doing - but right now we have an owner who wants to leave a legacy behind and after some rocky times we seem to be here for the long haul.
Forest were always completely reliant on Brian Flough who lost it towards the end. They weren’t really building as a club in the same way, they were managed by an absolute genius and his brilliant right hand man. When Taylor left, they suffered. When Clough left they never really recovered.
Just play Tuanzebe and spend the money elsewhere.
Not the club's most pressing positional issue.
Not when when 2 wingers, back up for Lukaku, a proper keeper and some creative/attacking midfielders are more desperately required.
But, hey ho, let's all stick our heads in the sand.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
Spot on Merseysidefox. You are doing everything right. But there is no guarantee that a Tielsman or Pereira will do quite what is hoped fpr, let alone the promising youngsters. You will have a very good season imo, but I think the OP is getting a little giddy.
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The OP is always a bit giddy but that’s part of the reason we love him. We call it passion.
To be fair to BS I don’t think the Leicester pages would be worth visiting in the close season of it wasn’t for his transfer threads.
Certainly keeps us going on slow news days
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To be fair to BS I don’t think the Leicester pages would be worth visiting in the close season of it wasn’t for his transfer threads.
Certainly keeps us going on slow news days
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Incidentally I never know whether to say: “close season” or “closed season”. I think this is an issue of some debate. Maybe BS could start a thread?
The weather is certainly close at the minute Joby, and the transfer window is not closed?
Does that clarify anything?
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posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 0 seconds ago
To be fair to BS I don’t think the Leicester pages would be worth visiting in the close season of it wasn’t for his transfer threads.
Certainly keeps us going on slow news days
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Incidentally I never know whether to say: “close season” or “closed season”. I think this is an issue of some debate. Maybe BS could start a thread?
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Good idea Joby - lets get some real debate going on here!
So Brendan Rodgers confirms we have rejected two bids so far for Harry. Both no where near our valuation.
Also confirmed there is a deadline for them to get a deal done as can’t leave it too late
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posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
So Brendan Rodgers confirms we have rejected two bids so far for Harry. Both no where near our valuation.
Also confirmed there is a deadline for them to get a deal done as can’t leave it too late
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Sounds like good management of the situation. Can I put something out there. Something out-there our there.
I’ve been quite impressed by the way our club have handled transfers. Yes we’ve had mistakes (Silva the obvious one), but importantly we’ve learned from them. You can’t get everything right first time.
Our stance is clear, fair and firm with both club and player.
Rudkin must actually be a legend.
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posted on 15/7/19
It feels more and more to me that this potential transfer for Man Utd isn't just about buying a centre half, but a captain too.
.................
I have said this all along.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't think he'll improve us much. Feels like another Lukaku type signing.
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I think he does have certain attributes that are better than what we have. He's better than all of our players in the air, and he's better than most of our CB's on the ball. He's also got a good character and a bit of leadership about him, which we also need. I do think he's a good player. But no one will convince me there aren't better or comparable options available for much less than the quoted fees.
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I agree with being better in the air. I think Lindelof is better than him in the ball. I don't really know of he does have the leadership qualities we keep hearing about.
Out of the CBs we have, he'd probably work better with Smalling than the others, so not sure he'll solve a problem without causing another.
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No chance Lindelof is better on the ball, or at passing it out.
posted on 15/7/19
Funnily enough, Maguire may well stand more chance of being captain at Man Utd than he would at Leicester. I'm not sure who I'd hand the armband to at Man U, while he's behind Kasper Schmeichel in the pecking order at Leicester and he could easily be here for another 5 years or so. (Much to the consternation of one of our regular posters.)
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
What a mess the op is, creaming himself the other day over the news after bigging him up as one of the best around the year before
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Are you confusing me with someone else?! I’ve never ever said Harry Maguire is one of the best centre backs around. I’ve been saying we should sell him for months. I just want the money - why wouldn’t you take that for a decent CB
posted on 15/7/19
You won't be getting the money, the club will. If you keep selling good players you could do a Leeds while being loaded.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 59 minutes ago
You won't be getting the money, the club will. If you keep selling good players you could do a Leeds while being loaded.
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the difference is we re-invest the money into attracting more top talent that your scouts keep missing.
It’s a brilliant system. You could have had Maguire for £4m but passed him up. A while later we get him for £17m, get the best out of him and sell him to you for £90m. Same with Mahrez, other clubs should have spotted him - we get him for £400k and sell him for £60m.
We’re like the mino raoila middleman making an absolute killing out of you and city, then just buying more young talent to do it again. And we’re growing financially, building the best new training academy on the country and set to put in a challenge for top 6
I should be thanking you really
posted on 15/7/19
Nothing lasts Black star. You won't keep finding great young players cheap. Do you think that you are the only club with good scouts? Every club has unearthed some gems, including us, but you need to spend big if you want to stay near the top. It's no coincidence the big spenders dominate. And how will you challenge for top6 if we don't buy your average CB.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nothing lasts Black star. You won't keep finding great young players cheap. Do you think that you are the only club with good scouts? Every club has unearthed some gems, including us, but you need to spend big if you want to stay near the top. It's no coincidence the big spenders dominate. And how will you challenge for top6 if we don't buy your average CB.
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It’s called growing sustainably. We’ve spent a fair bit and will shell out when we need to, but the reason we won’t the title is because our scouting team was way ahead of everyone else’s. How else do you explain signing the likes of Mahrez, Vardy and Kante for a combined £7m?
As long as the scouting infrastructure is in place, then we don’t need to keep blowing big money on average players. You’ve spent more than anyone in the last 5 years - it’s got you absolutely nowhere
I’m pleased with how we are growing as a club after a rocky period post title win. The gems keep being unearthed and we have an owner who has ambitions of getting the club into Europe
posted on 15/7/19
We have wasted plenty. But City and Liverpool didn't, and look where they are. I live near Caen, the fans and media were full of Kante, you didn't need a top scout, you needed a manager to back him, and an owner to put his hand in his pocket. You have good reasons to be optimistic, so do Wolves and others, but it cost Chelsea a lot to get where they are, and City, and it will you too.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 minutes ago
We have wasted plenty. But City and Liverpool didn't, and look where they are. I live near Caen, the fans and media were full of Kante, you didn't need a top scout, you needed a manager to back him, and an owner to put his hand in his pocket. You have good reasons to be optimistic, so do Wolves and others, but it cost Chelsea a lot to get where they are, and City, and it will you too.
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What about Mahrez was he hyped at £400k? If Kante was the next big thing why was no other PL in for him? We got him for £5m FFS. It’s top scouting - that’s the difference.
No ones suggesting we don’t need to spend a lot of money - but it can be done sustainably. Look at Spurs. An example of a club who have overtaken you without spending like City
posted on 15/7/19
Spurs did it by having a better manager. Of course others could, and should ,have come in for him( Kante ) but you could say the same about Robertson,at Pool, Ole and Schmikes and loads of others that came to us. There are only so many you can sign, and some you will win and some you will lose. You don't have a magic formula. You are doing well and all credit to the club, in fact I like to see clubs doing well that aren't just the same old faces. But I bet Forest supporters thought it would last for ever, nothing does, I've supported us in the second division, and seen Pool in the second division.
posted on 15/7/19
Leicester do seem to have it right at the minute.
Invest 1-2 large fees a season (£40m for Tielemans this season, Pereira last) and supplement it with 3-4 younger cheap purchases of future talent. Allow them to grown under the current experienced team.
That works whilst you can hold the core of the team. We can cope with the odd Maguire loss, but we can’t do a Southampton and suddenly shed 3-4 of our best players - that’s when it gets dangerous.
posted on 15/7/19
Spot on Merseysidefox. You are doing everything right. But there is no guarantee that a Tielsman or Pereira will do quite what is hoped fpr, let alone the promising youngsters. You will have a very good season imo, but I think the OP is getting a little giddy.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 minutes ago
Spurs did it by having a better manager. Of course others could, and should ,have come in for him( Kante ) but you could say the same about Robertson,at Pool, Ole and Schmikes and loads of others that came to us. There are only so many you can sign, and some you will win and some you will lose. You don't have a magic formula. You are doing well and all credit to the club, in fact I like to see clubs doing well that aren't just the same old faces. But I bet Forest supporters thought it would last for ever, nothing does, I've supported us in the second division, and seen Pool in the second division.
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It’s different times now with the gap between the PL and the championship growing further apart by the season. Not saying we will always stray in the premier league, we could be sold to some idiot who doesn’t know what he’s doing - but right now we have an owner who wants to leave a legacy behind and after some rocky times we seem to be here for the long haul.
Forest were always completely reliant on Brian Flough who lost it towards the end. They weren’t really building as a club in the same way, they were managed by an absolute genius and his brilliant right hand man. When Taylor left, they suffered. When Clough left they never really recovered.
posted on 15/7/19
*Clough
posted on 15/7/19
Just play Tuanzebe and spend the money elsewhere.
posted on 15/7/19
Not the club's most pressing positional issue.
Not when when 2 wingers, back up for Lukaku, a proper keeper and some creative/attacking midfielders are more desperately required.
But, hey ho, let's all stick our heads in the sand.
posted on 16/7/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
Spot on Merseysidefox. You are doing everything right. But there is no guarantee that a Tielsman or Pereira will do quite what is hoped fpr, let alone the promising youngsters. You will have a very good season imo, but I think the OP is getting a little giddy.
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The OP is always a bit giddy but that’s part of the reason we love him. We call it passion.
posted on 16/7/19
Mersey
posted on 16/7/19
To be fair to BS I don’t think the Leicester pages would be worth visiting in the close season of it wasn’t for his transfer threads.
Certainly keeps us going on slow news days
posted on 16/7/19
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 0 seconds ago
To be fair to BS I don’t think the Leicester pages would be worth visiting in the close season of it wasn’t for his transfer threads.
Certainly keeps us going on slow news days
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Incidentally I never know whether to say: “close season” or “closed season”. I think this is an issue of some debate. Maybe BS could start a thread?
posted on 16/7/19
The weather is certainly close at the minute Joby, and the transfer window is not closed?
Does that clarify anything?
posted on 16/7/19
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 0 seconds ago
To be fair to BS I don’t think the Leicester pages would be worth visiting in the close season of it wasn’t for his transfer threads.
Certainly keeps us going on slow news days
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Incidentally I never know whether to say: “close season” or “closed season”. I think this is an issue of some debate. Maybe BS could start a thread?
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Good idea Joby - lets get some real debate going on here!
posted on 16/7/19
So Brendan Rodgers confirms we have rejected two bids so far for Harry. Both no where near our valuation.
Also confirmed there is a deadline for them to get a deal done as can’t leave it too late
posted on 17/7/19
comment by MIAMI_FOX (U2650)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
So Brendan Rodgers confirms we have rejected two bids so far for Harry. Both no where near our valuation.
Also confirmed there is a deadline for them to get a deal done as can’t leave it too late
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Sounds like good management of the situation. Can I put something out there. Something out-there our there.
I’ve been quite impressed by the way our club have handled transfers. Yes we’ve had mistakes (Silva the obvious one), but importantly we’ve learned from them. You can’t get everything right first time.
Our stance is clear, fair and firm with both club and player.
Rudkin must actually be a legend.
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