comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
357k x 312 weeks = 117m
given 'decent' keepers like Allison or Kepa are going for 70 million, and its reported Kepa gets 200k a week so the cost of buying a 'kepa' and then paying him 200k for 6 years is 132.4m
bargain to get someone like de get for that imo
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But you paid 25m for him, and he won't have any resale value by the time this contract is finished.
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What? He was 18m
Oops. I read the fee in Euros.
If he's gonna be number 1 for a good 5 years or so (as he almost certainly will be) then it's a sensible move.
The real trouble comes when you're paying mega wages to the chumps on the bench that you can't rid of
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
357k x 312 weeks = 117m
given 'decent' keepers like Allison or Kepa are going for 70 million, and its reported Kepa gets 200k a week so the cost of buying a 'kepa' and then paying him 200k for 6 years is 132.4m
bargain to get someone like de get for that imo
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But you paid 25m for him, and he won't have any resale value by the time this contract is finished.
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if Allison or kepa leaves at the end of their contract then neither Chelsea or Liverpool have any resale value....
right now to sign an Oblak would cost more than DDG resigning and we at least know DDG
I still think hes the best in the league personally
Shot stoppers are out of fashion rn for tactical reasons but it's the pure test of a goalkeeper
Ederson and Allison are fantastic but I dont think they've saved as many points as De Gea has at his best
There was a match between us I remember in what may have been De Geas first or second season where him and Cech were having a competition of who can make the most ridiculous reflex saves
Didnt say much for the standard of defending in front of them at the time tho
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 41 seconds ago
I still think hes the best in the league personally
Shot stoppers are out of fashion rn for tactical reasons but it's the pure test of a goalkeeper
Ederson and Allison are fantastic but I dont think they've saved as many points as De Gea has at his best
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I'd say there's a really good case for Allison but it needs to be settled over 3-4 years in the same league
DDG looked a bit mentally spent last season, internationally he's never quite done it and his dream move back to Spain is all but over so it'll be interesting to see whether he ever fully recovers from those setbacks long term
Say VVD gets injured and Liverpools defence goes through a wobble for a few months then I'll have a better idea of Allison's pure ability
Not saying hes not in the conversation but I want to see how he does under extreme pressure like we have seen from every GK that has put more than 4 seasons into this league
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 47 minutes ago
Say VVD gets injured and Liverpools defence goes through a wobble for a few months then I'll have a better idea of Allison's pure ability
Not saying hes not in the conversation but I want to see how he does under extreme pressure like we have seen from every GK that has put more than 4 seasons into this league
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What's required right at the very top from keepers is different to the level below which United currently occupy. Concentration and ability with your feet/distribution, that latter he's someway behind both Allison and Ederson
When DDG's got shots coming in constantly, that's when he shines most much like Shay Given did. However when he's mostly a spectator and only needs to make that one (or two) crucial save(s) he's sometimes found wanting as is often the case with Spain for instance.
So while Allison may or may not struggle under those conditions, DDG equally may struggle under the conditions at Liverpool.
When DDG's got shots coming in constantly, that's when he shines most much like Shay Given did. However when he's mostly a spectator and only needs to make that one (or two) crucial save(s) he's sometimes found wanting as is often the case with Spain for instance.
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This is so not true whatsoever. There have been many a time where he has done very little most of the game then can pull off a wonder save. In fact he is as good as any at it.
Allisson is getting massively overrated I feel. Yes he is decent with his feet however still has made a fair few mistakes himself. It helps been behind a very good defence aswell
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
I don't think De Gea would struggle at either Liverpool or City. He has shown that while he isn't as good as the others with the ball at his feet, he isn't as bad as his detractors make out. One has to look at his time under LVG to see he is able to adapt. Would the other two be able to reach those heights in our team? I doubt it. De Gea is more than a shot stopper. This is why many get distracted and think he is only good at one thing when he is a much more capable keeper than rival fans would like to admit.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 10 minutes ago
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
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He isn't as popular as the guy he replaced and Spain Aren't as good as they once were. There is also the fact he doesn't play in Spain. Much like how Owen Hargreaves was received by the English when he was being picked whilst at Munich.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 10 minutes ago
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
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He isn't as popular as the guy he replaced and Spain Aren't as good as they once were. There is also the fact he doesn't play in Spain. Much like how Owen Hargreaves was received by the English when he was being picked whilst at Munich.
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Hargreaves was only really a first 11 starter the season before he left Munich though wasn't he? Always heard him being over hyped if anything as people hadn't seen much of him. Poor guys career was ruined by injuries.
With degea it's Def high profile basic errors that have cost him (in the last year or two) and in my view the fact that Oblak is there in the Spanish league.
Not sure of the stats but of degea allisson and ederson I'd bet, without hesitation, that degea made the most errors that lead to goals.
I thought degea was the standout gk for many years but I don't think he would improve city or pool now. Kinda got to give credit to them both for finding such good keepers
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 10 minutes ago
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
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He isn't as popular as the guy he replaced and Spain Aren't as good as they once were. There is also the fact he doesn't play in Spain. Much like how Owen Hargreaves was received by the English when he was being picked whilst at Munich.
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Hargreaves was only really a first 11 starter the season before he left Munich though wasn't he? Always heard him being over hyped if anything as people hadn't seen much of him. Poor guys career was ruined by injuries.
With degea it's Def high profile basic errors that have cost him (in the last year or two) and in my view the fact that Oblak is there in the Spanish league.
Not sure of the stats but of degea allisson and ederson I'd bet, without hesitation, that degea made the most errors that lead to goals.
I thought degea was the standout gk for many years but I don't think he would improve city or pool now. Kinda got to give credit to them both for finding such good keepers
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But you could say exactly the same about us with Alisson and Ederson. They would not improve us at all. And yes De Gea may well have made more basic errors however I bet he had far more to do than the other two
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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City rely heavily on Edersons distribution, they'd lose much of that with DDG and would be a worse side for it
To a lesser degree he'd have the same issues at Liverpool
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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City rely heavily on Edersons distribution, they'd lose much of that with DDG and would be a worse side for it
To a lesser degree he'd have the same issues at Liverpool
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Modern football unfortunately
Fans are brainwashed into thinking if they’re better with their feet then they are a better goal keeper
Great news. We’ve been incredibly lucky that no one was willing to pay big bucks for de gea and laughed at paying over a 100m for pogba, we se to be keeping them by virtue of default.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 22 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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This ^
One average season since those early struggles when he arrived from Spain first and all of a sudden he's turned into a Hart , mignolet or karius
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
Let's be real. He's only getting that because Sanchez is on stupid money, and he knows you can't replace him.
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We don't want to replace him. PL keeper of the season for 5 out of 6 seasons I think? If anyone deserves that amount of money it is him
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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City rely heavily on Edersons distribution, they'd lose much of that with DDG and would be a worse side for it
To a lesser degree he'd have the same issues at Liverpool
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Modern football unfortunately
Fans are brainwashed into thinking if they’re better with their feet then they are a better goal keeper
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It would be similar to a side being built around Ibrahimovic up front and another side being built around Gary Lineker (hopefully this makes sense, I'm sure there's better options but anyway...) - one being a big and technical target man, the other playing off the shoulder.
Both great strikers, both will score plenty of goals but the set ups to get the best out of either and for either to give their best to the team means settings up very differently.
DDG would not work at City, he's missing one of the most important qualities their set up requires from a goal keeper
People believe far too much what they read and here in a 2 minute bit of punditry.
The truth is we don’t know how DDG would perform in Pep’s team.
Currently he’s got Young, Smalling and Jones in front of him. Playing out from the back isn’t really an option and to judge him on the basis of that is not fair.
Quality keeper and any side in the world would want him, I’m sure.
The Sanchez wage has definitely played a part, Ed, you are a facking moron.
But if any of our players deserve a massive raise it’s DDG. Probably the only one.
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posted on 21/7/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
357k x 312 weeks = 117m
given 'decent' keepers like Allison or Kepa are going for 70 million, and its reported Kepa gets 200k a week so the cost of buying a 'kepa' and then paying him 200k for 6 years is 132.4m
bargain to get someone like de get for that imo
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But you paid 25m for him, and he won't have any resale value by the time this contract is finished.
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What? He was 18m
posted on 21/7/19
Oops. I read the fee in Euros.
posted on 21/7/19
If he's gonna be number 1 for a good 5 years or so (as he almost certainly will be) then it's a sensible move.
The real trouble comes when you're paying mega wages to the chumps on the bench that you can't rid of
posted on 21/7/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 2 minutes ago
357k x 312 weeks = 117m
given 'decent' keepers like Allison or Kepa are going for 70 million, and its reported Kepa gets 200k a week so the cost of buying a 'kepa' and then paying him 200k for 6 years is 132.4m
bargain to get someone like de get for that imo
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But you paid 25m for him, and he won't have any resale value by the time this contract is finished.
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if Allison or kepa leaves at the end of their contract then neither Chelsea or Liverpool have any resale value....
right now to sign an Oblak would cost more than DDG resigning and we at least know DDG
posted on 21/7/19
I still think hes the best in the league personally
Shot stoppers are out of fashion rn for tactical reasons but it's the pure test of a goalkeeper
Ederson and Allison are fantastic but I dont think they've saved as many points as De Gea has at his best
posted on 21/7/19
There was a match between us I remember in what may have been De Geas first or second season where him and Cech were having a competition of who can make the most ridiculous reflex saves
posted on 21/7/19
Didnt say much for the standard of defending in front of them at the time tho
posted on 21/7/19
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 41 seconds ago
I still think hes the best in the league personally
Shot stoppers are out of fashion rn for tactical reasons but it's the pure test of a goalkeeper
Ederson and Allison are fantastic but I dont think they've saved as many points as De Gea has at his best
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I'd say there's a really good case for Allison but it needs to be settled over 3-4 years in the same league
DDG looked a bit mentally spent last season, internationally he's never quite done it and his dream move back to Spain is all but over so it'll be interesting to see whether he ever fully recovers from those setbacks long term
posted on 21/7/19
Say VVD gets injured and Liverpools defence goes through a wobble for a few months then I'll have a better idea of Allison's pure ability
Not saying hes not in the conversation but I want to see how he does under extreme pressure like we have seen from every GK that has put more than 4 seasons into this league
posted on 21/7/19
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 47 minutes ago
Say VVD gets injured and Liverpools defence goes through a wobble for a few months then I'll have a better idea of Allison's pure ability
Not saying hes not in the conversation but I want to see how he does under extreme pressure like we have seen from every GK that has put more than 4 seasons into this league
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What's required right at the very top from keepers is different to the level below which United currently occupy. Concentration and ability with your feet/distribution, that latter he's someway behind both Allison and Ederson
When DDG's got shots coming in constantly, that's when he shines most much like Shay Given did. However when he's mostly a spectator and only needs to make that one (or two) crucial save(s) he's sometimes found wanting as is often the case with Spain for instance.
So while Allison may or may not struggle under those conditions, DDG equally may struggle under the conditions at Liverpool.
posted on 21/7/19
When DDG's got shots coming in constantly, that's when he shines most much like Shay Given did. However when he's mostly a spectator and only needs to make that one (or two) crucial save(s) he's sometimes found wanting as is often the case with Spain for instance.
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This is so not true whatsoever. There have been many a time where he has done very little most of the game then can pull off a wonder save. In fact he is as good as any at it.
Allisson is getting massively overrated I feel. Yes he is decent with his feet however still has made a fair few mistakes himself. It helps been behind a very good defence aswell
posted on 21/7/19
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
posted on 21/7/19
I don't think De Gea would struggle at either Liverpool or City. He has shown that while he isn't as good as the others with the ball at his feet, he isn't as bad as his detractors make out. One has to look at his time under LVG to see he is able to adapt. Would the other two be able to reach those heights in our team? I doubt it. De Gea is more than a shot stopper. This is why many get distracted and think he is only good at one thing when he is a much more capable keeper than rival fans would like to admit.
posted on 21/7/19
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 10 minutes ago
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
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He isn't as popular as the guy he replaced and Spain Aren't as good as they once were. There is also the fact he doesn't play in Spain. Much like how Owen Hargreaves was received by the English when he was being picked whilst at Munich.
posted on 21/7/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 10 minutes ago
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
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He isn't as popular as the guy he replaced and Spain Aren't as good as they once were. There is also the fact he doesn't play in Spain. Much like how Owen Hargreaves was received by the English when he was being picked whilst at Munich.
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Hargreaves was only really a first 11 starter the season before he left Munich though wasn't he? Always heard him being over hyped if anything as people hadn't seen much of him. Poor guys career was ruined by injuries.
With degea it's Def high profile basic errors that have cost him (in the last year or two) and in my view the fact that Oblak is there in the Spanish league.
Not sure of the stats but of degea allisson and ederson I'd bet, without hesitation, that degea made the most errors that lead to goals.
I thought degea was the standout gk for many years but I don't think he would improve city or pool now. Kinda got to give credit to them both for finding such good keepers
posted on 21/7/19
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 10 minutes ago
Makes sense tbh. In Spain he isn't super popular, although I'm not sure why. Maybe as he has made quite a few high profile errors in big games the last season or two for Spain/man u in europe, seems keepers like Oblak seem better value in the eyes of most Spanish fans
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He isn't as popular as the guy he replaced and Spain Aren't as good as they once were. There is also the fact he doesn't play in Spain. Much like how Owen Hargreaves was received by the English when he was being picked whilst at Munich.
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Hargreaves was only really a first 11 starter the season before he left Munich though wasn't he? Always heard him being over hyped if anything as people hadn't seen much of him. Poor guys career was ruined by injuries.
With degea it's Def high profile basic errors that have cost him (in the last year or two) and in my view the fact that Oblak is there in the Spanish league.
Not sure of the stats but of degea allisson and ederson I'd bet, without hesitation, that degea made the most errors that lead to goals.
I thought degea was the standout gk for many years but I don't think he would improve city or pool now. Kinda got to give credit to them both for finding such good keepers
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But you could say exactly the same about us with Alisson and Ederson. They would not improve us at all. And yes De Gea may well have made more basic errors however I bet he had far more to do than the other two
posted on 21/7/19
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
posted on 21/7/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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City rely heavily on Edersons distribution, they'd lose much of that with DDG and would be a worse side for it
To a lesser degree he'd have the same issues at Liverpool
posted on 21/7/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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City rely heavily on Edersons distribution, they'd lose much of that with DDG and would be a worse side for it
To a lesser degree he'd have the same issues at Liverpool
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Modern football unfortunately
Fans are brainwashed into thinking if they’re better with their feet then they are a better goal keeper
posted on 21/7/19
Great news. We’ve been incredibly lucky that no one was willing to pay big bucks for de gea and laughed at paying over a 100m for pogba, we se to be keeping them by virtue of default.
posted on 21/7/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 22 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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This ^
One average season since those early struggles when he arrived from Spain first and all of a sudden he's turned into a Hart , mignolet or karius
posted on 21/7/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
Let's be real. He's only getting that because Sanchez is on stupid money, and he knows you can't replace him.
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We don't want to replace him. PL keeper of the season for 5 out of 6 seasons I think? If anyone deserves that amount of money it is him
posted on 21/7/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 9 minutes ago
Insanity to suggest De Gea wouldn’t thrive at Liverpool or City.
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City rely heavily on Edersons distribution, they'd lose much of that with DDG and would be a worse side for it
To a lesser degree he'd have the same issues at Liverpool
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Modern football unfortunately
Fans are brainwashed into thinking if they’re better with their feet then they are a better goal keeper
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It would be similar to a side being built around Ibrahimovic up front and another side being built around Gary Lineker (hopefully this makes sense, I'm sure there's better options but anyway...) - one being a big and technical target man, the other playing off the shoulder.
Both great strikers, both will score plenty of goals but the set ups to get the best out of either and for either to give their best to the team means settings up very differently.
DDG would not work at City, he's missing one of the most important qualities their set up requires from a goal keeper
posted on 21/7/19
People believe far too much what they read and here in a 2 minute bit of punditry.
The truth is we don’t know how DDG would perform in Pep’s team.
Currently he’s got Young, Smalling and Jones in front of him. Playing out from the back isn’t really an option and to judge him on the basis of that is not fair.
Quality keeper and any side in the world would want him, I’m sure.
posted on 21/7/19
The Sanchez wage has definitely played a part, Ed, you are a facking moron.
But if any of our players deserve a massive raise it’s DDG. Probably the only one.
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