comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 43 minutes ago
It's all ifs and buts. In 2 years many things could happen. Liverpool went from 4th to second. United went from 2nd to 6th. Only team consistent has been City over the past two years.
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen. We're better positioned to win silverware before Tottenham due to Poch not taking anything but the PL and CL seriously.
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It's not impossible sure, just feels unlikely to me.
To take Liverpool as an example, for us to challenge for the title it took:
1) Robertson being brought and turning out to be far better than any of us dared hope and be up there as one of the best in his position.
2) A RB being found in the academy who possessed the maturity to handle transition to first team football
3) The world record for a defender being broken and then VVD settling immediately and performing at a level that surprised many
4) The world record for a gk being broken and Alisson settling immediately
5) An attacking trio who compliment each other and haven't suffered significantly with injury
A lot of things have gone right for us over the last 18 months. That's not coincidence, it's good management. But a lot of things would need to go right for Utd to challenge for the title as well. Not impossible but unlikely.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 43 minutes ago
It's all ifs and buts. In 2 years many things could happen. Liverpool went from 4th to second. United went from 2nd to 6th. Only team consistent has been City over the past two years.
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen. We're better positioned to win silverware before Tottenham due to Poch not taking anything but the PL and CL seriously.
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It's not impossible sure, just feels unlikely to me.
To take Liverpool as an example, for us to challenge for the title it took:
1) Robertson being brought and turning out to be far better than any of us dared hope and be up there as one of the best in his position.
2) A RB being found in the academy who possessed the maturity to handle transition to first team football
3) The world record for a defender being broken and then VVD settling immediately and performing at a level that surprised many
4) The world record for a gk being broken and Alisson settling immediately
5) An attacking trio who compliment each other and haven't suffered significantly with injury
A lot of things have gone right for us over the last 18 months. That's not coincidence, it's good management. But a lot of things would need to go right for Utd to challenge for the title as well. Not impossible but unlikely.
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Great comment.
You've made your own luck for sure but like any club, you need some.
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 14 minutes ago
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen.
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Not sure how that works?
You've a young unproven Manager who could easily be sacked shortly if you have a bad start bearing in mind your demise towards the end of last season.
Your main striker Lukaku is likely to leave (and if he stays will be unmotivated). Your star midfielder Pogba ditto. Rashford has shown few signs of ever being a 20-25 goal a season man despite all the hype that he gets and Maguire is but one man and can't shore up your whole defence.
You are nowhere near Spurs and if Arsenal are better in midfield and in attack and should also be stronger than you
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He could be sacked but then again more experienced managers in Sarri, Emery and Poch struggled last season. And Arsenal and Tottenham didn't fair much better in that period either.
Lukaku isn't our main striker. So that pojnt is mute. Pogba will have to stay as no one hasade an appropriate bid for him. Even if he wants out. And if he doesn't perform he won't get a move to Real next season, especially if Zidane gets the sack. And I doubt we're relying on one player to get 25 goals for us. If you saw how we played in preseason, you se we want to spread out the number of played a scoring goals. Rashford has also hardly played played as a CF under Jose and is 21. He has time on his side. You also forgot that we made another addition to our defence, AWB. Its naive to think Maguire is the only improvement there.
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit. And Arsenal are very weak defensively. Your midfield is not much better than ours and Pepe is untested in the PL. He could be great or not. Depay looked useless in the PL but looks world class in France. Bakayoko is another. Looked class at Monaco but out of his depth at Chelsea in the PL.
There are many variables that could change things. We haven't had a stable back four for a long time and last season we didn't have the same back four start more than 4 matches in a row. That's been an issue for some time. What AWB and Maguire add (Unless they come down with the curse we have in defence) is that they're most likely to stay fit and be an improvement on what we have.
I could be wrong. I just don't see us as way behind as Arsenal fans or Tottenham fans seem to think. Especially since neither have shown to be much better than us last season despite how badly it went for United.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 14 minutes ago
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen.
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Not sure how that works?
You've a young unproven Manager who could easily be sacked shortly if you have a bad start bearing in mind your demise towards the end of last season.
Your main striker Lukaku is likely to leave (and if he stays will be unmotivated). Your star midfielder Pogba ditto. Rashford has shown few signs of ever being a 20-25 goal a season man despite all the hype that he gets and Maguire is but one man and can't shore up your whole defence.
You are nowhere near Spurs and if Arsenal are better in midfield and in attack and should also be stronger than you
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He could be sacked but then again more experienced managers in Sarri, Emery and Poch struggled last season. And Arsenal and Tottenham didn't fair much better in that period either.
Lukaku isn't our main striker. So that pojnt is mute. Pogba will have to stay as no one hasade an appropriate bid for him. Even if he wants out. And if he doesn't perform he won't get a move to Real next season, especially if Zidane gets the sack. And I doubt we're relying on one player to get 25 goals for us. If you saw how we played in preseason, you se we want to spread out the number of played a scoring goals. Rashford has also hardly played played as a CF under Jose and is 21. He has time on his side. You also forgot that we made another addition to our defence, AWB. Its naive to think Maguire is the only improvement there.
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit. And Arsenal are very weak defensively. Your midfield is not much better than ours and Pepe is untested in the PL. He could be great or not. Depay looked useless in the PL but looks world class in France. Bakayoko is another. Looked class at Monaco but out of his depth at Chelsea in the PL.
There are many variables that could change things. We haven't had a stable back four for a long time and last season we didn't have the same back four start more than 4 matches in a row. That's been an issue for some time. What AWB and Maguire add (Unless they come down with the curse we have in defence) is that they're most likely to stay fit and be an improvement on what we have.
I could be wrong. I just don't see us as way behind as Arsenal fans or Tottenham fans seem to think. Especially since neither have shown to be much better than us last season despite how badly it went for United.
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Good points - well made.
I don't for a minute think you are way behind Arsenal but I just didn't understand how you felt Utd were most likely to get 3rd bearing in mind all the points that I raised about Ole, Lukaku, Pogba and the rest.
Think it will need time and more investment for you to catch up to Spurs let alone Arsenal who look to be improving under Emery as Wenger's old guard depart.
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit.
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Let's be honest though, none of us know how United will fair under a full season of Ole. He could inspire you to a top 4 place or have you mid-table by Christmas and be sacked. Spurs are very much a known quantity - if the core of our side stays fit for most of the season we will be there or thereabouts.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 43 minutes ago
It's all ifs and buts. In 2 years many things could happen. Liverpool went from 4th to second. United went from 2nd to 6th. Only team consistent has been City over the past two years.
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen. We're better positioned to win silverware before Tottenham due to Poch not taking anything but the PL and CL seriously.
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It's not impossible sure, just feels unlikely to me.
To take Liverpool as an example, for us to challenge for the title it took:
1) Robertson being brought and turning out to be far better than any of us dared hope and be up there as one of the best in his position.
2) A RB being found in the academy who possessed the maturity to handle transition to first team football
3) The world record for a defender being broken and then VVD settling immediately and performing at a level that surprised many
4) The world record for a gk being broken and Alisson settling immediately
5) An attacking trio who compliment each other and haven't suffered significantly with injury
A lot of things have gone right for us over the last 18 months. That's not coincidence, it's good management. But a lot of things would need to go right for Utd to challenge for the title as well. Not impossible but unlikely.
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Didn't say it would happen. Just that out of all the teams, City has been the one consistent. Take the injury for example. United topped the table for injuries. Especially in defence.
Bailly had a great first season but has regressed since then as he's been consistently injured. If Robertson had suffered from injury to the same extent, he may not have reach his current levels. These are the fine margins that can affect a player's development.
There are many fine margins. United went from 2nd to 6th while still retaining most of the same players. So something must have happened to cause the drop. There are many things to point at, and such as players form dropping or coming back unfit. Jose's meltdown another and as I've mentioned the number of injuries suffered.
I just don't think we're as bad as (minuses City and Liverpool) our competitors for top 4 think we are. I also wouldn't write off Chelsea just because of the ban and Lampard coming in. It will be interesting to see what happens. I mean Arsenal have yet to improve their defence. Tottenham haven't improve their RB position though they have players with potential there. They also have to plan for a transition soon as the their CB pairing are 30+.
It will be an interesting season.
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 14 minutes ago
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen.
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Not sure how that works?
You've a young unproven Manager who could easily be sacked shortly if you have a bad start bearing in mind your demise towards the end of last season.
Your main striker Lukaku is likely to leave (and if he stays will be unmotivated). Your star midfielder Pogba ditto. Rashford has shown few signs of ever being a 20-25 goal a season man despite all the hype that he gets and Maguire is but one man and can't shore up your whole defence.
You are nowhere near Spurs and if Arsenal are better in midfield and in attack and should also be stronger than you
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He could be sacked but then again more experienced managers in Sarri, Emery and Poch struggled last season. And Arsenal and Tottenham didn't fair much better in that period either.
Lukaku isn't our main striker. So that pojnt is mute. Pogba will have to stay as no one hasade an appropriate bid for him. Even if he wants out. And if he doesn't perform he won't get a move to Real next season, especially if Zidane gets the sack. And I doubt we're relying on one player to get 25 goals for us. If you saw how we played in preseason, you se we want to spread out the number of played a scoring goals. Rashford has also hardly played played as a CF under Jose and is 21. He has time on his side. You also forgot that we made another addition to our defence, AWB. Its naive to think Maguire is the only improvement there.
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit. And Arsenal are very weak defensively. Your midfield is not much better than ours and Pepe is untested in the PL. He could be great or not. Depay looked useless in the PL but looks world class in France. Bakayoko is another. Looked class at Monaco but out of his depth at Chelsea in the PL.
There are many variables that could change things. We haven't had a stable back four for a long time and last season we didn't have the same back four start more than 4 matches in a row. That's been an issue for some time. What AWB and Maguire add (Unless they come down with the curse we have in defence) is that they're most likely to stay fit and be an improvement on what we have.
I could be wrong. I just don't see us as way behind as Arsenal fans or Tottenham fans seem to think. Especially since neither have shown to be much better than us last season despite how badly it went for United.
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Good points - well made.
I don't for a minute think you are way behind Arsenal but I just didn't understand how you felt Utd were most likely to get 3rd bearing in mind all the points that I raised about Ole, Lukaku, Pogba and the rest.
Think it will need time and more investment for you to catch up to Spurs let alone Arsenal who look to be improving under Emery as Wenger's old guard depart.
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I did say it would look like and not that we will. Eriksen would take Lingard's role in the middle of the 3 behind the CF. It'll add another creative element to our team, something we lack when Pogba is out.
I don't think this will happen though. We haven't dealt with Levy since Bale left for Real and that was when Ed wanted Bale.
Eriksen will be killing any legacy he has at Tottenham going to United, it makes no sense
He will get roundly boo'd when you come to WHL no doubt, but a lot of Spurs supporters don't really care where he goes. His attitude towards Spurs has been crap for some time, and going to Utd, with respect, could not be seen as "moving up" at this moment in time, so only proves, firstly the like of RM/Barc don't rate or want him and secondly proves his mercenary tenancies, as only difference is the wages your club plays compared to Spurs.
If he goes to Utd, it is an improvement on what you currently have, but a lot of Spurs fans are more interested in not going out who is coming in to be honest.
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 9 hours, 29 minutes ago
Eriksen will be killing any legacy he has at Tottenham going to United, it makes no sense
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That's absurd.
Why would he kill any legacy he has at Tottenham?
Why would you boo him for moving to United?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
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He's a guarantee in the league to get you goals and assists. Also that's assuming you can get him free next summer where you'll have more competition
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
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He's a guarantee in the league to get you goals and assists. Also that's assuming you can get him free next summer where you'll have more competition
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To add to your points, he'll also be here for at least 4-5 years with at least 3 of them being in his prime.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
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He's a guarantee in the league to get you goals and assists. Also that's assuming you can get him free next summer where you'll have more competition
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To add to your points, he'll also be here for at least 4-5 years with at least 3 of them being in his prime.
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It's just bad business.
£50 million when we can agree a contract with him early in 2020 to sign him next summer for free?
It irritates me when the club do things like that.
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
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comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
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March then?
I'd call that early 2020.
It's facking madness.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
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March then?
I'd call that early 2020.
It's facking madness.
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Didn't Real pay over 80m plus add ons for Hazard who had one year left?
Also if his contract ends at the end of June, would that be April rather than March when he can talk to us?
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
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March then?
I'd call that early 2020.
It's facking madness.
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Didn't Real pay over 80m plus add ons for Hazard who had one year left?
Also if his contract ends at the end of June, would that be April rather than March when he can talk to us?
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Well, semantics really - the point stands.
Hazard is a different level... players like that only come around once or twice a decade imo.
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posted on 6/8/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 43 minutes ago
It's all ifs and buts. In 2 years many things could happen. Liverpool went from 4th to second. United went from 2nd to 6th. Only team consistent has been City over the past two years.
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen. We're better positioned to win silverware before Tottenham due to Poch not taking anything but the PL and CL seriously.
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It's not impossible sure, just feels unlikely to me.
To take Liverpool as an example, for us to challenge for the title it took:
1) Robertson being brought and turning out to be far better than any of us dared hope and be up there as one of the best in his position.
2) A RB being found in the academy who possessed the maturity to handle transition to first team football
3) The world record for a defender being broken and then VVD settling immediately and performing at a level that surprised many
4) The world record for a gk being broken and Alisson settling immediately
5) An attacking trio who compliment each other and haven't suffered significantly with injury
A lot of things have gone right for us over the last 18 months. That's not coincidence, it's good management. But a lot of things would need to go right for Utd to challenge for the title as well. Not impossible but unlikely.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 43 minutes ago
It's all ifs and buts. In 2 years many things could happen. Liverpool went from 4th to second. United went from 2nd to 6th. Only team consistent has been City over the past two years.
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen. We're better positioned to win silverware before Tottenham due to Poch not taking anything but the PL and CL seriously.
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It's not impossible sure, just feels unlikely to me.
To take Liverpool as an example, for us to challenge for the title it took:
1) Robertson being brought and turning out to be far better than any of us dared hope and be up there as one of the best in his position.
2) A RB being found in the academy who possessed the maturity to handle transition to first team football
3) The world record for a defender being broken and then VVD settling immediately and performing at a level that surprised many
4) The world record for a gk being broken and Alisson settling immediately
5) An attacking trio who compliment each other and haven't suffered significantly with injury
A lot of things have gone right for us over the last 18 months. That's not coincidence, it's good management. But a lot of things would need to go right for Utd to challenge for the title as well. Not impossible but unlikely.
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Great comment.
You've made your own luck for sure but like any club, you need some.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 14 minutes ago
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen.
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Not sure how that works?
You've a young unproven Manager who could easily be sacked shortly if you have a bad start bearing in mind your demise towards the end of last season.
Your main striker Lukaku is likely to leave (and if he stays will be unmotivated). Your star midfielder Pogba ditto. Rashford has shown few signs of ever being a 20-25 goal a season man despite all the hype that he gets and Maguire is but one man and can't shore up your whole defence.
You are nowhere near Spurs and if Arsenal are better in midfield and in attack and should also be stronger than you
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He could be sacked but then again more experienced managers in Sarri, Emery and Poch struggled last season. And Arsenal and Tottenham didn't fair much better in that period either.
Lukaku isn't our main striker. So that pojnt is mute. Pogba will have to stay as no one hasade an appropriate bid for him. Even if he wants out. And if he doesn't perform he won't get a move to Real next season, especially if Zidane gets the sack. And I doubt we're relying on one player to get 25 goals for us. If you saw how we played in preseason, you se we want to spread out the number of played a scoring goals. Rashford has also hardly played played as a CF under Jose and is 21. He has time on his side. You also forgot that we made another addition to our defence, AWB. Its naive to think Maguire is the only improvement there.
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit. And Arsenal are very weak defensively. Your midfield is not much better than ours and Pepe is untested in the PL. He could be great or not. Depay looked useless in the PL but looks world class in France. Bakayoko is another. Looked class at Monaco but out of his depth at Chelsea in the PL.
There are many variables that could change things. We haven't had a stable back four for a long time and last season we didn't have the same back four start more than 4 matches in a row. That's been an issue for some time. What AWB and Maguire add (Unless they come down with the curse we have in defence) is that they're most likely to stay fit and be an improvement on what we have.
I could be wrong. I just don't see us as way behind as Arsenal fans or Tottenham fans seem to think. Especially since neither have shown to be much better than us last season despite how badly it went for United.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 14 minutes ago
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen.
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Not sure how that works?
You've a young unproven Manager who could easily be sacked shortly if you have a bad start bearing in mind your demise towards the end of last season.
Your main striker Lukaku is likely to leave (and if he stays will be unmotivated). Your star midfielder Pogba ditto. Rashford has shown few signs of ever being a 20-25 goal a season man despite all the hype that he gets and Maguire is but one man and can't shore up your whole defence.
You are nowhere near Spurs and if Arsenal are better in midfield and in attack and should also be stronger than you
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He could be sacked but then again more experienced managers in Sarri, Emery and Poch struggled last season. And Arsenal and Tottenham didn't fair much better in that period either.
Lukaku isn't our main striker. So that pojnt is mute. Pogba will have to stay as no one hasade an appropriate bid for him. Even if he wants out. And if he doesn't perform he won't get a move to Real next season, especially if Zidane gets the sack. And I doubt we're relying on one player to get 25 goals for us. If you saw how we played in preseason, you se we want to spread out the number of played a scoring goals. Rashford has also hardly played played as a CF under Jose and is 21. He has time on his side. You also forgot that we made another addition to our defence, AWB. Its naive to think Maguire is the only improvement there.
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit. And Arsenal are very weak defensively. Your midfield is not much better than ours and Pepe is untested in the PL. He could be great or not. Depay looked useless in the PL but looks world class in France. Bakayoko is another. Looked class at Monaco but out of his depth at Chelsea in the PL.
There are many variables that could change things. We haven't had a stable back four for a long time and last season we didn't have the same back four start more than 4 matches in a row. That's been an issue for some time. What AWB and Maguire add (Unless they come down with the curse we have in defence) is that they're most likely to stay fit and be an improvement on what we have.
I could be wrong. I just don't see us as way behind as Arsenal fans or Tottenham fans seem to think. Especially since neither have shown to be much better than us last season despite how badly it went for United.
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Good points - well made.
I don't for a minute think you are way behind Arsenal but I just didn't understand how you felt Utd were most likely to get 3rd bearing in mind all the points that I raised about Ole, Lukaku, Pogba and the rest.
Think it will need time and more investment for you to catch up to Spurs let alone Arsenal who look to be improving under Emery as Wenger's old guard depart.
posted on 6/8/19
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit.
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Let's be honest though, none of us know how United will fair under a full season of Ole. He could inspire you to a top 4 place or have you mid-table by Christmas and be sacked. Spurs are very much a known quantity - if the core of our side stays fit for most of the season we will be there or thereabouts.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 43 minutes ago
It's all ifs and buts. In 2 years many things could happen. Liverpool went from 4th to second. United went from 2nd to 6th. Only team consistent has been City over the past two years.
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen. We're better positioned to win silverware before Tottenham due to Poch not taking anything but the PL and CL seriously.
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It's not impossible sure, just feels unlikely to me.
To take Liverpool as an example, for us to challenge for the title it took:
1) Robertson being brought and turning out to be far better than any of us dared hope and be up there as one of the best in his position.
2) A RB being found in the academy who possessed the maturity to handle transition to first team football
3) The world record for a defender being broken and then VVD settling immediately and performing at a level that surprised many
4) The world record for a gk being broken and Alisson settling immediately
5) An attacking trio who compliment each other and haven't suffered significantly with injury
A lot of things have gone right for us over the last 18 months. That's not coincidence, it's good management. But a lot of things would need to go right for Utd to challenge for the title as well. Not impossible but unlikely.
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Didn't say it would happen. Just that out of all the teams, City has been the one consistent. Take the injury for example. United topped the table for injuries. Especially in defence.
Bailly had a great first season but has regressed since then as he's been consistently injured. If Robertson had suffered from injury to the same extent, he may not have reach his current levels. These are the fine margins that can affect a player's development.
There are many fine margins. United went from 2nd to 6th while still retaining most of the same players. So something must have happened to cause the drop. There are many things to point at, and such as players form dropping or coming back unfit. Jose's meltdown another and as I've mentioned the number of injuries suffered.
I just don't think we're as bad as (minuses City and Liverpool) our competitors for top 4 think we are. I also wouldn't write off Chelsea just because of the ban and Lampard coming in. It will be interesting to see what happens. I mean Arsenal have yet to improve their defence. Tottenham haven't improve their RB position though they have players with potential there. They also have to plan for a transition soon as the their CB pairing are 30+.
It will be an interesting season.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 14 minutes ago
I would say it would look like we'd be better positioned of the 4 teams fighting for 3rd to 6th to finish 3rd of we were to sign Eriksen.
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Not sure how that works?
You've a young unproven Manager who could easily be sacked shortly if you have a bad start bearing in mind your demise towards the end of last season.
Your main striker Lukaku is likely to leave (and if he stays will be unmotivated). Your star midfielder Pogba ditto. Rashford has shown few signs of ever being a 20-25 goal a season man despite all the hype that he gets and Maguire is but one man and can't shore up your whole defence.
You are nowhere near Spurs and if Arsenal are better in midfield and in attack and should also be stronger than you
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He could be sacked but then again more experienced managers in Sarri, Emery and Poch struggled last season. And Arsenal and Tottenham didn't fair much better in that period either.
Lukaku isn't our main striker. So that pojnt is mute. Pogba will have to stay as no one hasade an appropriate bid for him. Even if he wants out. And if he doesn't perform he won't get a move to Real next season, especially if Zidane gets the sack. And I doubt we're relying on one player to get 25 goals for us. If you saw how we played in preseason, you se we want to spread out the number of played a scoring goals. Rashford has also hardly played played as a CF under Jose and is 21. He has time on his side. You also forgot that we made another addition to our defence, AWB. Its naive to think Maguire is the only improvement there.
We're a lot closer to Spurs than you or they would like to admit. And Arsenal are very weak defensively. Your midfield is not much better than ours and Pepe is untested in the PL. He could be great or not. Depay looked useless in the PL but looks world class in France. Bakayoko is another. Looked class at Monaco but out of his depth at Chelsea in the PL.
There are many variables that could change things. We haven't had a stable back four for a long time and last season we didn't have the same back four start more than 4 matches in a row. That's been an issue for some time. What AWB and Maguire add (Unless they come down with the curse we have in defence) is that they're most likely to stay fit and be an improvement on what we have.
I could be wrong. I just don't see us as way behind as Arsenal fans or Tottenham fans seem to think. Especially since neither have shown to be much better than us last season despite how badly it went for United.
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Good points - well made.
I don't for a minute think you are way behind Arsenal but I just didn't understand how you felt Utd were most likely to get 3rd bearing in mind all the points that I raised about Ole, Lukaku, Pogba and the rest.
Think it will need time and more investment for you to catch up to Spurs let alone Arsenal who look to be improving under Emery as Wenger's old guard depart.
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I did say it would look like and not that we will. Eriksen would take Lingard's role in the middle of the 3 behind the CF. It'll add another creative element to our team, something we lack when Pogba is out.
I don't think this will happen though. We haven't dealt with Levy since Bale left for Real and that was when Ed wanted Bale.
posted on 6/8/19
Eriksen will be killing any legacy he has at Tottenham going to United, it makes no sense
posted on 7/8/19
He will get roundly boo'd when you come to WHL no doubt, but a lot of Spurs supporters don't really care where he goes. His attitude towards Spurs has been crap for some time, and going to Utd, with respect, could not be seen as "moving up" at this moment in time, so only proves, firstly the like of RM/Barc don't rate or want him and secondly proves his mercenary tenancies, as only difference is the wages your club plays compared to Spurs.
If he goes to Utd, it is an improvement on what you currently have, but a lot of Spurs fans are more interested in not going out who is coming in to be honest.
posted on 7/8/19
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
posted on 7/8/19
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 9 hours, 29 minutes ago
Eriksen will be killing any legacy he has at Tottenham going to United, it makes no sense
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That's absurd.
posted on 7/8/19
Why would he kill any legacy he has at Tottenham?
Why would you boo him for moving to United?
posted on 7/8/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
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He's a guarantee in the league to get you goals and assists. Also that's assuming you can get him free next summer where you'll have more competition
posted on 7/8/19
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
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He's a guarantee in the league to get you goals and assists. Also that's assuming you can get him free next summer where you'll have more competition
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To add to your points, he'll also be here for at least 4-5 years with at least 3 of them being in his prime.
posted on 7/8/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
£50 million for a guy who turns 28 this season and is available on a free in May.
No thanks.
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He's a guarantee in the league to get you goals and assists. Also that's assuming you can get him free next summer where you'll have more competition
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To add to your points, he'll also be here for at least 4-5 years with at least 3 of them being in his prime.
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It's just bad business.
£50 million when we can agree a contract with him early in 2020 to sign him next summer for free?
It irritates me when the club do things like that.
posted on 7/8/19
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
posted on 7/8/19
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posted on 7/8/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
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March then?
I'd call that early 2020.
It's facking madness.
posted on 7/8/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
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March then?
I'd call that early 2020.
It's facking madness.
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Didn't Real pay over 80m plus add ons for Hazard who had one year left?
Also if his contract ends at the end of June, would that be April rather than March when he can talk to us?
posted on 7/8/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
In January he can talk to foreign clubs. English clubs can talk to him when he has 3 months remaining.
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March then?
I'd call that early 2020.
It's facking madness.
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Didn't Real pay over 80m plus add ons for Hazard who had one year left?
Also if his contract ends at the end of June, would that be April rather than March when he can talk to us?
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Well, semantics really - the point stands.
Hazard is a different level... players like that only come around once or twice a decade imo.
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