AWB was very raw yesterday, was out of position and got tackled a lot going forward, but showed nice touches, is strong and quick. Can see him being a real player for you for a decade. Could be a "bargain"when all is said and done
Pretty much how I saw it - Lingard and Pereira were passengers for much of it. Rashford and Martial lively but sometimes frustrating.
Maguire made some important interceptions; his timing was great. Lots of energy and drive from McTominay.
Great to see us breaking with pace and purpose. We’ve got the personnel to do that.
On holiday so only seen limited highlights (goals, Chelsea hitting woodwork and one De Gea save), so can’t comment on deficiencies that were apparent. Needless to say, very happy with the result.
No doubt about that Nick.
I was pretty impressed by Mason Mount from your lot. Especially in the first twenty minutes.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 seconds ago
No doubt about that Nick.
I was pretty impressed by Mason Mount from your lot. Especially in the first twenty minutes.
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Yeah looks a real player, already looks more consistent than barkley over 90 minutes, but should have really scored
Was always gonna be a bit of a hit and miss game with two big teams playing each other on matchday 1. AWB and Shaw seemed a bit confused when to stick or twist, sometimes looked like we were playing 3 at the back at times (this may have been deliberate).
Overall though, thought the backline looked impressive and could be other back 5 for years to come!
It looked like a goal from open play would be tough for a good chunk of the game and that might prove to be a real issue, but maybe these early goals will some them both go on a goalscoring run. Would be great to see them both in the 20+ goals bracket.
Midfield was ok for big parts of the game, but we also got walked through, on occasion (unsurprising against Chelsea). Perreira will hopefully get more comfortable in these kind of games. Was a breath of fresh air to see a lively midfield though, even if it didn't always work out.
Barlkey is a bit like Lingard for us.
Just doesn't do enough in games and goes missing for long periods. Looks a world beater for that odd five minutes a game though.
Midfield was ok for big parts of the game, but we also got walked through, on occasion (unsurprising against Chelsea). Perreira will hopefully get more comfortable in these kind of games. Was a breath of fresh air to see a lively midfield though, even if it didn't always work out.
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One of the things that impressed me was actually something quite basic. McT kept things ticking over by making the simple pass into space.
Much more pleasant than seeing the ball stuck in Matic's feet. Pogba can learn form this.
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
Pogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
Yeah, the midfield....like a big stat nerd, I looked on who scored: pass completion for most of our players was in the 70 percents, a lot of the city players are in high 80's , some over 90. pep must go for for that kind of player. Not sure if we've got anyone like that in the squad.
My thoughts
DDG looked good
Maguire and AWB will be immense for us once they gel with the the defence/ midfield.
Pogba showed his good and bad side but ultimately contributed 2 assists. If he has more good games than bad we can score bagfuls.
The forwards looked very confident and could net plenty this season.
ogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
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I posted this on another thread earlier, but Robbie Earle picked up on it yesterday and he was spot on.
Pogba gets into trouble every time he tries to slow the game down. When he looks to do things quicker doesn't lose it so much.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
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There was a clown on here in the summer that said Pogba is capable of holding on to the ball for long periods.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Midfield was ok for big parts of the game, but we also got walked through, on occasion (unsurprising against Chelsea). Perreira will hopefully get more comfortable in these kind of games. Was a breath of fresh air to see a lively midfield though, even if it didn't always work out.
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One of the things that impressed me was actually something quite basic. McT kept things ticking over by making the simple pass into space.
Much more pleasant than seeing the ball stuck in Matic's feet. Pogba can learn form this.
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One of the most pleasing recent developments is seeing the growth of McT, not just as a player, but as a leader. He's playing as if he has a fairly mature appreciation of the wider dynamics of the game and what it needs, and looked like a ringleader in celebrations / huddles a couple of times yesterday. It's not at all out of the question that the younger man might have a positive influence on Pogba.
If Maguire can bring calm and clarity to the defence and a few characters across the side respond to OGS's positivity, we potentially have a last culture change on our hands. For me this is pretty crucial: before you get to the question of whether the tactics work and the players are good enough, you need confidence. (As far as I'm concerned Moyes could have had the world's best footballing ideas since the invention of the back four and it wouldn't have mattered because no one believed he was going to lead them to continued success.)
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
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how could we have gone in 2 or 3 down??
the De Gea save you would expect him to make, the abraham while a decent effort was a potshot from 20 yards.
the Emerson one i'd agree with.
having said that it makes me laugh when people say we should have been 2 or 3 down yet dont take into account martials tame effort or the fact we ACTUALLY scored
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
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There was a clown on here in the summer that said Pogba is capable of holding on to the ball for long periods.
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to be fair he is capable of doing just that, the fact is he doesnt
Early days I know and as much as I'm willing him on I dont think Pereira will be good enough. I'm not talking about his enthusiasm and effort he's not short of that but yesterday, his assist aside, he was anonymous for most of the game.
Periera has ability but is just completely unable to influence games like he should.
The back 4 were impressive given the circumstances. A few lapses but its worth remembering that none of the 4 had ever played a competitive game alongside the guy next to them, so as you say that will develop over the season.
Was pleased with Maguire but also Lindelof, who looked a lot more confident playing next to him than he usually does with any of Jones, Bailly, Smalling etc. I still have my reservations about Maguire as a defender but that's the kind of influence I hope he has over the rest of the defence.
For how bad we were yesterday at times, Chelsea still didnt score against us, I really could see Chelsea struggling this season, i can see a lot of 0-0 or 1-1s at the Bridge especially with teams sitting back. I don't see any player at Chelsea getting any more than about 10 goals in the league.
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
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how could we have gone in 2 or 3 down??
the De Gea save you would expect him to make, the abraham while a decent effort was a potshot from 20 yards.
the Emerson one i'd agree with.
having said that it makes me laugh when people say we should have been 2 or 3 down yet dont take into account martials tame effort or the fact we ACTUALLY scored
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I think we rode our luck a lot with some of the positions Chelsea found themselves in that first half
A lot of it self inflicted with poor midfield play
Ole himself conceded that we were lucky to be leading at halftime
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
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how could we have gone in 2 or 3 down??
the De Gea save you would expect him to make, the abraham while a decent effort was a potshot from 20 yards.
the Emerson one i'd agree with.
having said that it makes me laugh when people say we should have been 2 or 3 down yet dont take into account martials tame effort or the fact we ACTUALLY scored
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I think we rode our luck a lot with some of the positions Chelsea found themselves in that first half
A lot of it self inflicted with poor midfield play
Ole himself conceded that we were lucky to be leading at halftime
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there is a difference between leading and being 2 or 3 down though, its almost like our efforts and goals arent considered or taken into account
there is a difference between leading and being 2 or 3 down though, its almost like our efforts and goals arent considered or taken into account
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Dunc does have a bit of a point here.
I wouldn't hurry to write off Pereira. Certainly not seeing signs of him being our future yet, and I'd have liked to see us buy a midfielder last week, but let's remember how McT has confounded perceptions. Pereira has more experience but never had a settled run in the side or consistency in his role. Moreover, as Rosso pointed out, the starting formation made things more complicated yesterday.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
there is a difference between leading and being 2 or 3 down though, its almost like our efforts and goals arent considered or taken into account
...............
Dunc does have a bit of a point here.
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posted on 12/8/19
AWB was very raw yesterday, was out of position and got tackled a lot going forward, but showed nice touches, is strong and quick. Can see him being a real player for you for a decade. Could be a "bargain"when all is said and done
posted on 12/8/19
Pretty much how I saw it - Lingard and Pereira were passengers for much of it. Rashford and Martial lively but sometimes frustrating.
Maguire made some important interceptions; his timing was great. Lots of energy and drive from McTominay.
Great to see us breaking with pace and purpose. We’ve got the personnel to do that.
posted on 12/8/19
On holiday so only seen limited highlights (goals, Chelsea hitting woodwork and one De Gea save), so can’t comment on deficiencies that were apparent. Needless to say, very happy with the result.
posted on 12/8/19
No doubt about that Nick.
I was pretty impressed by Mason Mount from your lot. Especially in the first twenty minutes.
posted on 12/8/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 seconds ago
No doubt about that Nick.
I was pretty impressed by Mason Mount from your lot. Especially in the first twenty minutes.
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Yeah looks a real player, already looks more consistent than barkley over 90 minutes, but should have really scored
posted on 12/8/19
Was always gonna be a bit of a hit and miss game with two big teams playing each other on matchday 1. AWB and Shaw seemed a bit confused when to stick or twist, sometimes looked like we were playing 3 at the back at times (this may have been deliberate).
Overall though, thought the backline looked impressive and could be other back 5 for years to come!
It looked like a goal from open play would be tough for a good chunk of the game and that might prove to be a real issue, but maybe these early goals will some them both go on a goalscoring run. Would be great to see them both in the 20+ goals bracket.
Midfield was ok for big parts of the game, but we also got walked through, on occasion (unsurprising against Chelsea). Perreira will hopefully get more comfortable in these kind of games. Was a breath of fresh air to see a lively midfield though, even if it didn't always work out.
posted on 12/8/19
Barlkey is a bit like Lingard for us.
Just doesn't do enough in games and goes missing for long periods. Looks a world beater for that odd five minutes a game though.
posted on 12/8/19
Midfield was ok for big parts of the game, but we also got walked through, on occasion (unsurprising against Chelsea). Perreira will hopefully get more comfortable in these kind of games. Was a breath of fresh air to see a lively midfield though, even if it didn't always work out.
................
One of the things that impressed me was actually something quite basic. McT kept things ticking over by making the simple pass into space.
Much more pleasant than seeing the ball stuck in Matic's feet. Pogba can learn form this.
posted on 12/8/19
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
posted on 12/8/19
Pogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
posted on 12/8/19
Yeah, the midfield....like a big stat nerd, I looked on who scored: pass completion for most of our players was in the 70 percents, a lot of the city players are in high 80's , some over 90. pep must go for for that kind of player. Not sure if we've got anyone like that in the squad.
posted on 12/8/19
My thoughts
DDG looked good
Maguire and AWB will be immense for us once they gel with the the defence/ midfield.
Pogba showed his good and bad side but ultimately contributed 2 assists. If he has more good games than bad we can score bagfuls.
The forwards looked very confident and could net plenty this season.
posted on 12/8/19
ogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
..................
I posted this on another thread earlier, but Robbie Earle picked up on it yesterday and he was spot on.
Pogba gets into trouble every time he tries to slow the game down. When he looks to do things quicker doesn't lose it so much.
posted on 12/8/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
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There was a clown on here in the summer that said Pogba is capable of holding on to the ball for long periods.
posted on 12/8/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Midfield was ok for big parts of the game, but we also got walked through, on occasion (unsurprising against Chelsea). Perreira will hopefully get more comfortable in these kind of games. Was a breath of fresh air to see a lively midfield though, even if it didn't always work out.
................
One of the things that impressed me was actually something quite basic. McT kept things ticking over by making the simple pass into space.
Much more pleasant than seeing the ball stuck in Matic's feet. Pogba can learn form this.
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One of the most pleasing recent developments is seeing the growth of McT, not just as a player, but as a leader. He's playing as if he has a fairly mature appreciation of the wider dynamics of the game and what it needs, and looked like a ringleader in celebrations / huddles a couple of times yesterday. It's not at all out of the question that the younger man might have a positive influence on Pogba.
If Maguire can bring calm and clarity to the defence and a few characters across the side respond to OGS's positivity, we potentially have a last culture change on our hands. For me this is pretty crucial: before you get to the question of whether the tactics work and the players are good enough, you need confidence. (As far as I'm concerned Moyes could have had the world's best footballing ideas since the invention of the back four and it wouldn't have mattered because no one believed he was going to lead them to continued success.)
posted on 12/8/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
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how could we have gone in 2 or 3 down??
the De Gea save you would expect him to make, the abraham while a decent effort was a potshot from 20 yards.
the Emerson one i'd agree with.
having said that it makes me laugh when people say we should have been 2 or 3 down yet dont take into account martials tame effort or the fact we ACTUALLY scored
posted on 12/8/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pogba's carelessness in possession and losing the ball in the areas he did almost cost us dearly particularly in the 1st half.
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There was a clown on here in the summer that said Pogba is capable of holding on to the ball for long periods.
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to be fair he is capable of doing just that, the fact is he doesnt
posted on 12/8/19
Early days I know and as much as I'm willing him on I dont think Pereira will be good enough. I'm not talking about his enthusiasm and effort he's not short of that but yesterday, his assist aside, he was anonymous for most of the game.
posted on 12/8/19
Periera has ability but is just completely unable to influence games like he should.
The back 4 were impressive given the circumstances. A few lapses but its worth remembering that none of the 4 had ever played a competitive game alongside the guy next to them, so as you say that will develop over the season.
Was pleased with Maguire but also Lindelof, who looked a lot more confident playing next to him than he usually does with any of Jones, Bailly, Smalling etc. I still have my reservations about Maguire as a defender but that's the kind of influence I hope he has over the rest of the defence.
posted on 12/8/19
For how bad we were yesterday at times, Chelsea still didnt score against us, I really could see Chelsea struggling this season, i can see a lot of 0-0 or 1-1s at the Bridge especially with teams sitting back. I don't see any player at Chelsea getting any more than about 10 goals in the league.
posted on 12/8/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
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how could we have gone in 2 or 3 down??
the De Gea save you would expect him to make, the abraham while a decent effort was a potshot from 20 yards.
the Emerson one i'd agree with.
having said that it makes me laugh when people say we should have been 2 or 3 down yet dont take into account martials tame effort or the fact we ACTUALLY scored
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I think we rode our luck a lot with some of the positions Chelsea found themselves in that first half
A lot of it self inflicted with poor midfield play
Ole himself conceded that we were lucky to be leading at halftime
posted on 12/8/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
We got a battering in the first half because tactically we were set up all wrong.
Pereira and Lingard weren’t in the game because they were stationed absolutely miles away from McT and Pogba.
If we’d shifted Pereira from the right wing back into central midfield alongside a more advanced Pogba, not only would we have brought him *and* Pogba into the game, but we would have made it much easier for the CBs, McT and Pogba to play out because they’d have had another option, and much easier for the midfield to then work the ball on to Lingard and the other forwards.
Not only that, but we’d have been able to cut out more of Chelsea’s midfield play and runners and cover their fullbacks more reliably.
We just let them outnumber us in midfield and control the shape of the game, and it very nearly needlessly cost us dearly. We could well have gone in at half time two or three down, and the coaching staff need to learn a lesson.
It should very clearly have been a diamond or 4-3-3 yesterday.
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how could we have gone in 2 or 3 down??
the De Gea save you would expect him to make, the abraham while a decent effort was a potshot from 20 yards.
the Emerson one i'd agree with.
having said that it makes me laugh when people say we should have been 2 or 3 down yet dont take into account martials tame effort or the fact we ACTUALLY scored
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I think we rode our luck a lot with some of the positions Chelsea found themselves in that first half
A lot of it self inflicted with poor midfield play
Ole himself conceded that we were lucky to be leading at halftime
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there is a difference between leading and being 2 or 3 down though, its almost like our efforts and goals arent considered or taken into account
posted on 12/8/19
there is a difference between leading and being 2 or 3 down though, its almost like our efforts and goals arent considered or taken into account
...............
Dunc does have a bit of a point here.
posted on 12/8/19
I wouldn't hurry to write off Pereira. Certainly not seeing signs of him being our future yet, and I'd have liked to see us buy a midfielder last week, but let's remember how McT has confounded perceptions. Pereira has more experience but never had a settled run in the side or consistency in his role. Moreover, as Rosso pointed out, the starting formation made things more complicated yesterday.
posted on 12/8/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
there is a difference between leading and being 2 or 3 down though, its almost like our efforts and goals arent considered or taken into account
...............
Dunc does have a bit of a point here.
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