Re: offside.
I'd actually be more inclined to make runs if I know I'm not going to be incorrectly flagged by making a run that looks miles offside. If I'm accurate in my run then I get the benefit.
As for VAR as a whole I do think it's a good thing but needs refining.
Like VAR, and it will only improve and adapt to the game. The rules will also change to acknowledge the advantage VAR gives officials, and offside is something I think will be redefined.
I don't think a shoulder being a mm offside when the ball is slid through on the floor gives an attacker a real advantage, but it is hard to define how much of the body (if not all) should be ahead of the last defender.
Will be interesting to see how it all develops.
Anything that helps make the right decision is a plus.
The handball rule needs reviewing though. I thought kimpembe and sissokos hand balls were very harsh last season.
The rules need to change with VAR.
If VAR is about eliminating controversy the. Offside must mean daylight between the players.
We need to refine its application, apply common sense and the benefit of experience, and maybe start using AI to speed up decision-making. In the meantime there will be frustrating aspects. But overall why would we choose to have matches decided by completely avoidable refereeing mistakes?
We did of course have a century + of football with mistakes and loved the game nevertheless. But two things have changed. First, we got to see the mistakes after and during the match thanks to increasingly good TV coverage, so the errors and associated sense of injustice have become an ever greater preoccupation for fans. Secondly, in the past we couldn't do anything about it but now the very same advance in technology makes it possible for referees to review the same evidence that the fans see. In what world does it make sense for the only person with no access to information that can clarify key decisions to be the one who has to make those decisions?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Like VAR, and it will only improve and adapt to the game. The rules will also change to acknowledge the advantage VAR gives officials, and offside is something I think will be redefined.
I don't think a shoulder being a mm offside when the ball is slid through on the floor gives an attacker a real advantage, but it is hard to define how much of the body (if not all) should be ahead of the last defender.
Will be interesting to see how it all develops.
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I don’t think it’s about the advantage the player gets but to help the officials judge the line.
I’ve always felt if your feet are onside that shoulf be the rule but I realise the difficulty in enforcing such a real due to the pace at which the game moves - far easier to judge any part of the body being past the last defender, even more so now with VAR.
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
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Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
It’s miles away from being fit for top flight.
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
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Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
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Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
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Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
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Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
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You could very easily implement a VAR system where the VAR people only signal the referee if it’s a clear error by the referee.
Take Sterling’s offside on Saturday - it was so close the referee would have no way of knowing so go by his decision. If it’s an obvious offside that the referee missed then that’s when VAR should be used
Var should help the referee - not be the referee. Works perfectly in cricket where the umpires call can sometimes the difference between an out of not
So far I'm not a fan, but may be in a few years.
It's amazing how abuse refs get, and equally amazing how often they get it right.
There is not a single player who gets it right every time, so not sure why we expect refs to.
I saw a clip with Andy Gray where he explained well why being to precise for offsides can be negative. Wish I could find it but hope can explain well enough..he noted that actually VAR cameras at 25 frames per second are so precise that a frame used as soon as the player who makes the pass touches the ball may show the receiving player to be onside/level. And if you use a frame that is as soon as the ball leaves the player’s foot the receiving player may now be offside.
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could very easily implement a VAR system where the VAR people only signal the referee if it’s a clear error by the referee.
Take Sterling’s offside on Saturday - it was so close the referee would have no way of knowing so go by his decision. If it’s an obvious offside that the referee missed then that’s when VAR should be used
Var should help the referee - not be the referee. Works perfectly in cricket where the umpires call can sometimes the difference between an out of not
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But offsides are either on or off, so clear and obvious errors shouldn’t come into when you have the capability to judge whether it off or not with a higher degree of accuracy than the linesman.
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
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Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
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It's not about being sterile, you're either offside or not. You can't define it by a few centimetres or not, how is that fair?
Although my issue with the offside rule is if the hand is in an offside position, I don't think that should be flagged as an offside since you can't actually score with your arm. It should just be your feet.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could very easily implement a VAR system where the VAR people only signal the referee if it’s a clear error by the referee.
Take Sterling’s offside on Saturday - it was so close the referee would have no way of knowing so go by his decision. If it’s an obvious offside that the referee missed then that’s when VAR should be used
Var should help the referee - not be the referee. Works perfectly in cricket where the umpires call can sometimes the difference between an out of not
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But offsides are either on or off, so clear and obvious errors shouldn’t come into when you have the capability to judge whether it off or not with a higher degree of accuracy than the linesman.
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But a decision can be made to protect the referee and if the decision is so close the referee would never know it should be his decision that counts or else we may as well not have referees and just use a guy in the studio.
VAR stands for 'video assist referee', which means it's essentially in place to help the referee/officials out with key decisions they haven't been able to spot.
That's essentially what it did regarding Sterling, it highlighted him being offside which the linesman didn't spot properly. It's literally in place to make the game more fairer and equal. I don't get people that cry about this concept.
Complete heap of sheite.
Seems to have exacerbated problems with shoddy interpretations of the law, slows the game down and completely goes against the spirit of most laws.
Offside was brought in to stop goalhanging, not to check if one player’s big toe is a millimetre past the last defender.
At some stage you have to ask yourself; is it worth the hassle?
But that’s a silly argument. You’re basically saying that despite knowing a close decision is incorrect we shouldn’t allow the correct decisions because ‘yeah but the ref’.
What an absolute pointless argument that is, and single minded. You dont like it when its cms offside? It might stop atkers timing their runs to perfection? What about the beauty of defending and the offside trap etc one of the hardest team skills to master...
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
But that’s a silly argument. You’re basically saying that despite knowing a close decision is incorrect we shouldn’t allow the correct decisions because ‘yeah but the ref’.
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Was VAR brought in to catch out players offside by a millimetre? Or was it brought in to help referees that miss things in an ever increasingly speedy world of football ?
If it’s made clear that VaR is only about obvious mistakes and give the attackers the advantage in decisions like Saturday then the fans will be behind it
VAR has been in the PL for 1 game ffs. It will probably take a season or 2 to refine but it will get there.
Offside rule should be you are offside if the part of your body which is over the line can score a goal ie if your hand is offside VAR will allow the goal. If your foot/head/shoulder is over the line its offside.
It was brought in to help all officials, and that includes the linesmen. If a player is offside he’s offside. I don’t see why you struggle with that concept.
The fact it’s not even shown on the screens at grounds is shoddy. Given OT and Anfield don’t even have big screens I can’t see either set of fans going for it really.
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posted on 13/8/19
Re: offside.
I'd actually be more inclined to make runs if I know I'm not going to be incorrectly flagged by making a run that looks miles offside. If I'm accurate in my run then I get the benefit.
As for VAR as a whole I do think it's a good thing but needs refining.
posted on 13/8/19
Like VAR, and it will only improve and adapt to the game. The rules will also change to acknowledge the advantage VAR gives officials, and offside is something I think will be redefined.
I don't think a shoulder being a mm offside when the ball is slid through on the floor gives an attacker a real advantage, but it is hard to define how much of the body (if not all) should be ahead of the last defender.
Will be interesting to see how it all develops.
posted on 13/8/19
Anything that helps make the right decision is a plus.
The handball rule needs reviewing though. I thought kimpembe and sissokos hand balls were very harsh last season.
posted on 13/8/19
The rules need to change with VAR.
If VAR is about eliminating controversy the. Offside must mean daylight between the players.
posted on 13/8/19
We need to refine its application, apply common sense and the benefit of experience, and maybe start using AI to speed up decision-making. In the meantime there will be frustrating aspects. But overall why would we choose to have matches decided by completely avoidable refereeing mistakes?
We did of course have a century + of football with mistakes and loved the game nevertheless. But two things have changed. First, we got to see the mistakes after and during the match thanks to increasingly good TV coverage, so the errors and associated sense of injustice have become an ever greater preoccupation for fans. Secondly, in the past we couldn't do anything about it but now the very same advance in technology makes it possible for referees to review the same evidence that the fans see. In what world does it make sense for the only person with no access to information that can clarify key decisions to be the one who has to make those decisions?
posted on 13/8/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Like VAR, and it will only improve and adapt to the game. The rules will also change to acknowledge the advantage VAR gives officials, and offside is something I think will be redefined.
I don't think a shoulder being a mm offside when the ball is slid through on the floor gives an attacker a real advantage, but it is hard to define how much of the body (if not all) should be ahead of the last defender.
Will be interesting to see how it all develops.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t think it’s about the advantage the player gets but to help the officials judge the line.
I’ve always felt if your feet are onside that shoulf be the rule but I realise the difficulty in enforcing such a real due to the pace at which the game moves - far easier to judge any part of the body being past the last defender, even more so now with VAR.
posted on 13/8/19
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
posted on 13/8/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
posted on 13/8/19
It’s miles away from being fit for top flight.
posted on 13/8/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
posted on 13/8/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could very easily implement a VAR system where the VAR people only signal the referee if it’s a clear error by the referee.
Take Sterling’s offside on Saturday - it was so close the referee would have no way of knowing so go by his decision. If it’s an obvious offside that the referee missed then that’s when VAR should be used
Var should help the referee - not be the referee. Works perfectly in cricket where the umpires call can sometimes the difference between an out of not
posted on 13/8/19
So far I'm not a fan, but may be in a few years.
It's amazing how abuse refs get, and equally amazing how often they get it right.
There is not a single player who gets it right every time, so not sure why we expect refs to.
posted on 13/8/19
I saw a clip with Andy Gray where he explained well why being to precise for offsides can be negative. Wish I could find it but hope can explain well enough..he noted that actually VAR cameras at 25 frames per second are so precise that a frame used as soon as the player who makes the pass touches the ball may show the receiving player to be onside/level. And if you use a frame that is as soon as the ball leaves the player’s foot the receiving player may now be offside.
posted on 13/8/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could very easily implement a VAR system where the VAR people only signal the referee if it’s a clear error by the referee.
Take Sterling’s offside on Saturday - it was so close the referee would have no way of knowing so go by his decision. If it’s an obvious offside that the referee missed then that’s when VAR should be used
Var should help the referee - not be the referee. Works perfectly in cricket where the umpires call can sometimes the difference between an out of not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But offsides are either on or off, so clear and obvious errors shouldn’t come into when you have the capability to judge whether it off or not with a higher degree of accuracy than the linesman.
posted on 13/8/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not about being sterile, you're either offside or not. You can't define it by a few centimetres or not, how is that fair?
posted on 13/8/19
Although my issue with the offside rule is if the hand is in an offside position, I don't think that should be flagged as an offside since you can't actually score with your arm. It should just be your feet.
posted on 13/8/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend đđ (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 54 seconds ago
rather than matters of a couple of centimetres.
a couple of centimetres offside is still an offside, since when did it become defined by metrics? You're either offside or not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Football doesn’t have to become as sterile as that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wjy not? It it doesn’t you just confuse the matter further. Offside should be black and white. It’s the only way to get consistently correct decisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could very easily implement a VAR system where the VAR people only signal the referee if it’s a clear error by the referee.
Take Sterling’s offside on Saturday - it was so close the referee would have no way of knowing so go by his decision. If it’s an obvious offside that the referee missed then that’s when VAR should be used
Var should help the referee - not be the referee. Works perfectly in cricket where the umpires call can sometimes the difference between an out of not
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But offsides are either on or off, so clear and obvious errors shouldn’t come into when you have the capability to judge whether it off or not with a higher degree of accuracy than the linesman.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But a decision can be made to protect the referee and if the decision is so close the referee would never know it should be his decision that counts or else we may as well not have referees and just use a guy in the studio.
posted on 13/8/19
VAR stands for 'video assist referee', which means it's essentially in place to help the referee/officials out with key decisions they haven't been able to spot.
That's essentially what it did regarding Sterling, it highlighted him being offside which the linesman didn't spot properly. It's literally in place to make the game more fairer and equal. I don't get people that cry about this concept.
posted on 13/8/19
Complete heap of sheite.
Seems to have exacerbated problems with shoddy interpretations of the law, slows the game down and completely goes against the spirit of most laws.
Offside was brought in to stop goalhanging, not to check if one player’s big toe is a millimetre past the last defender.
At some stage you have to ask yourself; is it worth the hassle?
posted on 13/8/19
But that’s a silly argument. You’re basically saying that despite knowing a close decision is incorrect we shouldn’t allow the correct decisions because ‘yeah but the ref’.
posted on 13/8/19
What an absolute pointless argument that is, and single minded. You dont like it when its cms offside? It might stop atkers timing their runs to perfection? What about the beauty of defending and the offside trap etc one of the hardest team skills to master...
posted on 13/8/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
But that’s a silly argument. You’re basically saying that despite knowing a close decision is incorrect we shouldn’t allow the correct decisions because ‘yeah but the ref’.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was VAR brought in to catch out players offside by a millimetre? Or was it brought in to help referees that miss things in an ever increasingly speedy world of football ?
If it’s made clear that VaR is only about obvious mistakes and give the attackers the advantage in decisions like Saturday then the fans will be behind it
posted on 13/8/19
VAR has been in the PL for 1 game ffs. It will probably take a season or 2 to refine but it will get there.
Offside rule should be you are offside if the part of your body which is over the line can score a goal ie if your hand is offside VAR will allow the goal. If your foot/head/shoulder is over the line its offside.
posted on 13/8/19
It was brought in to help all officials, and that includes the linesmen. If a player is offside he’s offside. I don’t see why you struggle with that concept.
posted on 13/8/19
The fact it’s not even shown on the screens at grounds is shoddy. Given OT and Anfield don’t even have big screens I can’t see either set of fans going for it really.
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