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As you said he wasn’t the quickest but his positional sense made up for lack of speed
It was a pleasure to watch him play for us and our loss was your gain.
It was one of Cloughies few regrets.
Selling Edward Sheringham, as he always called him, never Teddy.
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posted 12 minutes ago
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As you said he wasn’t the quickest but his positional sense made up for lack of speed
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Or as my old man once said:
"He's a yard slower then everyone else on the pitch, but he's two yards quicker upstairs."
You’re old man was spot on Elvis
I remember SAF saying that he couldn't think of anyone better to replace Eric, and he was right. Very similar style, although Cantona was fairly quick when he wanted to be.
In the right team and position I've always thought Mata could be the same, or indeed, sometimes was the same.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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In the right team and position I've always thought Mata could be the same, or indeed, sometimes was the same.
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Yes, I have often wondered why we have never really given Mata a proper shot in that position. My impression was that was where he did his best work at Chelsea.
One of my favourite players. Most of my favourite players played for United, although were already favourites before moving to United, that hurt. Apart from Keane who I didn't know much about before his move to United.
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
They would both still be very effective in today’s game
Remember being a bit disappointed when we signed him but he certainly became a United favourite and not just because of those 99 cup final goals.
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comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
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False 9's with two wide forwards.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
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False 9's with two wide forwards.
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Or in behind a front 3 in the AM/no.10 position. No doubt that the likes of Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Teddy etc. could operate in those systems on the game today.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
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False 9's with two wide forwards.
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Or in behind a front 3 in the AM/no.10 position. No doubt that the likes of Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Teddy etc. could operate in those systems on the game today.
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I would question whether they would have the required work ethic to operate in that role. Ie. they need to drop in and defend when they lose the ball. These players tend to stroll around and spark into life when they have the ball or making intelligent moves off the ball, which they can't concentrate on with defensive responsibilities. ie. you wouldn't be getting the best out of them.
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comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
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False 9's with two wide forwards.
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Or in behind a front 3 in the AM/no.10 position. No doubt that the likes of Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Teddy etc. could operate in those systems on the game today.
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I would question whether they would have the required work ethic to operate in that role. Ie. they need to drop in and defend when they lose the ball. These players tend to stroll around and spark into life when they have the ball or making intelligent moves off the ball, which they can't concentrate on with defensive responsibilities. ie. you wouldn't be getting the best out of them.
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I think it depends on the rest of the make-up of the team. Are the fullbacks bombing on? Are the wide forwards prepared to get back and help out? Are the two behind both defensively minded midfielders?
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
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False 9's with two wide forwards.
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Yeah, I guess that's close - a modern equivalent.
I think perhaps the intelligent play making role is seen as a more ACM/CM role these days. If a 16 year old version of Teddy were in an academy today, I wonder whether they'd be shaping him into the next David Silva.
He was a great player but from all accounts an absolute chode of a guy from people I know who played with him after he retired and also how he blanked Andy Cole for so long
I thought it was supposed to be Cole who blanked Sheringham?
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I thought it was supposed to be Cole who blanked Sheringham?
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It was. Apparently simply because Sheringham didn't shake his had as he left the field for England to be replaced by Cole.
It was Sheringham who blanked Cole when he came off and that infuriated Cole and the two of them barely spoke until recently
from Andy Cole
It was early 1995, I had recently signed for Manchester United, and it was my England debut, against Uruguay. I was a sub. I came on for Sheringham (then at Spurs), after about 70 minutes. You'll need to understand what was in my head at that moment to get even close to comprehending my reaction to what happened next.
I was so nervous it was frightening. This was the culmination of a lifetime of ambition. You hear the cliché, "It means everything to play for my country". But trust me, it did. Not just for me, but for my family, my parents especially, who had endured all kinds of hardships to give us the chances we had. Becoming a pro had been incredible. Now the magnitude of playing for England was indescribable. The moment has arrived.
I walk on to the pitch, 60,000 or so watching. Sheringham is coming off. I expect a brief handshake, a "Good luck, Coley", something. I am ready to shake. He snubs me. He actively snubs me, for no reason I was ever aware of then or since. He walks off. I don't even know the bloke so he can't have any issue with me. We're fellow England players, it is my debut and he snubs me.
You know what my immediate thoughts were? "Jesus Christ! How many people just saw Teddy Sheringham do that to me?" I was embarrassed. I was confused. And there you have it. From that moment on, I knew Sheringham was not for me.
Two years later, in summer 1997, after Eric Cantona left United, Sheringham arrived. We played together for years. We scored a lot of goals. I never spoke a single word to him.
People wonder how on earth we could function like that. Gary Pallister once said to me: "I know you don't speak to Teddy and he doesn't speak to you, but at least you play well together." We did, and I wouldn't ever cast aspersions on Sheringham's talent as a top-rate footballer for his clubs and country. I've just loathed him personally for 15 years.
Did they celebrate together when scoring? If not surely it would have been picked up on at the time?
If players didn't like each other as the player being subbed off was raging and didn't shake hands with the player coming on, there would be barely any players who liked each other.
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posted on 14/8/19
Class player
As you said he wasn’t the quickest but his positional sense made up for lack of speed
It was a pleasure to watch him play for us and our loss was your gain.
posted on 14/8/19
It was one of Cloughies few regrets.
Selling Edward Sheringham, as he always called him, never Teddy.
posted on 14/8/19
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posted on 14/8/19
comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 12 minutes ago
Class player
As you said he wasn’t the quickest but his positional sense made up for lack of speed
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Or as my old man once said:
"He's a yard slower then everyone else on the pitch, but he's two yards quicker upstairs."
posted on 14/8/19
You’re old man was spot on Elvis
posted on 14/8/19
I remember SAF saying that he couldn't think of anyone better to replace Eric, and he was right. Very similar style, although Cantona was fairly quick when he wanted to be.
posted on 14/8/19
In the right team and position I've always thought Mata could be the same, or indeed, sometimes was the same.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
In the right team and position I've always thought Mata could be the same, or indeed, sometimes was the same.
---------------
Yes, I have often wondered why we have never really given Mata a proper shot in that position. My impression was that was where he did his best work at Chelsea.
posted on 14/8/19
One of my favourite players. Most of my favourite players played for United, although were already favourites before moving to United, that hurt. Apart from Keane who I didn't know much about before his move to United.
posted on 14/8/19
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
posted on 14/8/19
They would both still be very effective in today’s game
posted on 14/8/19
Remember being a bit disappointed when we signed him but he certainly became a United favourite and not just because of those 99 cup final goals.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
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False 9's with two wide forwards.
posted on 14/8/19
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
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False 9's with two wide forwards.
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Or in behind a front 3 in the AM/no.10 position. No doubt that the likes of Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Teddy etc. could operate in those systems on the game today.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
False 9's with two wide forwards.
----------------------
Or in behind a front 3 in the AM/no.10 position. No doubt that the likes of Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Teddy etc. could operate in those systems on the game today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would question whether they would have the required work ethic to operate in that role. Ie. they need to drop in and defend when they lose the ball. These players tend to stroll around and spark into life when they have the ball or making intelligent moves off the ball, which they can't concentrate on with defensive responsibilities. ie. you wouldn't be getting the best out of them.
posted on 14/8/19
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
False 9's with two wide forwards.
----------------------
Or in behind a front 3 in the AM/no.10 position. No doubt that the likes of Cantona, Bergkamp, Zola, Teddy etc. could operate in those systems on the game today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would question whether they would have the required work ethic to operate in that role. Ie. they need to drop in and defend when they lose the ball. These players tend to stroll around and spark into life when they have the ball or making intelligent moves off the ball, which they can't concentrate on with defensive responsibilities. ie. you wouldn't be getting the best out of them.
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I think it depends on the rest of the make-up of the team. Are the fullbacks bombing on? Are the wide forwards prepared to get back and help out? Are the two behind both defensively minded midfielders?
posted on 14/8/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
I sometimes wonder if there's still room for the more cerebral forward in the modern game. Forward play seems so much about speed, directness and interchange of position, I'm not sure how the likes of a Sheringham or a Bergkamp would be played in today's game.
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I think that there is, but you have to set up to get the best out of them. Everything needs to be going through them, ideally in a central positions, with runners all around them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
False 9's with two wide forwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I guess that's close - a modern equivalent.
I think perhaps the intelligent play making role is seen as a more ACM/CM role these days. If a 16 year old version of Teddy were in an academy today, I wonder whether they'd be shaping him into the next David Silva.
posted on 14/8/19
He was a great player but from all accounts an absolute chode of a guy from people I know who played with him after he retired and also how he blanked Andy Cole for so long
posted on 14/8/19
I thought it was supposed to be Cole who blanked Sheringham?
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
I thought it was supposed to be Cole who blanked Sheringham?
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It was. Apparently simply because Sheringham didn't shake his had as he left the field for England to be replaced by Cole.
posted on 14/8/19
It was Sheringham who blanked Cole when he came off and that infuriated Cole and the two of them barely spoke until recently
posted on 14/8/19
from Andy Cole
It was early 1995, I had recently signed for Manchester United, and it was my England debut, against Uruguay. I was a sub. I came on for Sheringham (then at Spurs), after about 70 minutes. You'll need to understand what was in my head at that moment to get even close to comprehending my reaction to what happened next.
I was so nervous it was frightening. This was the culmination of a lifetime of ambition. You hear the cliché, "It means everything to play for my country". But trust me, it did. Not just for me, but for my family, my parents especially, who had endured all kinds of hardships to give us the chances we had. Becoming a pro had been incredible. Now the magnitude of playing for England was indescribable. The moment has arrived.
I walk on to the pitch, 60,000 or so watching. Sheringham is coming off. I expect a brief handshake, a "Good luck, Coley", something. I am ready to shake. He snubs me. He actively snubs me, for no reason I was ever aware of then or since. He walks off. I don't even know the bloke so he can't have any issue with me. We're fellow England players, it is my debut and he snubs me.
You know what my immediate thoughts were? "Jesus Christ! How many people just saw Teddy Sheringham do that to me?" I was embarrassed. I was confused. And there you have it. From that moment on, I knew Sheringham was not for me.
Two years later, in summer 1997, after Eric Cantona left United, Sheringham arrived. We played together for years. We scored a lot of goals. I never spoke a single word to him.
People wonder how on earth we could function like that. Gary Pallister once said to me: "I know you don't speak to Teddy and he doesn't speak to you, but at least you play well together." We did, and I wouldn't ever cast aspersions on Sheringham's talent as a top-rate footballer for his clubs and country. I've just loathed him personally for 15 years.
posted on 14/8/19
Did they celebrate together when scoring? If not surely it would have been picked up on at the time?
posted on 14/8/19
If players didn't like each other as the player being subbed off was raging and didn't shake hands with the player coming on, there would be barely any players who liked each other.
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