Of course its all about money. There are SPFL players on hundreds a week rather than 10's of thousands.
Could you turn your analytical eye to the rest of Europe leagues and see if Scotland is anomoly or if it is, in fact, the norm.
"winning the amount of domestic trophies Celtic win every year means absolutely nothing"
Dispute that. Will mean alot to Celtic, and Rangers. And Scottish Football in general.
Might not mean anything to you, but then, does any other league?
The fact that Scottish football produced a plethora of young talent that was distributed across the English leagues is no more, where did it all go so wrong?
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football
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that's the only sentence really worthwhile in all that
Used to love it in the early 00s. The old firms were the best games.
Money in general has ruined football generally.
They should put Celtic and Rangers in the english league to blow open Scottish football. Better than having Brighton and Bournemouth in it with there 10k stadiums.
Outside of Celtic and Rangers it’s mostly non league standard now.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Celtics only real opportunity to earn is through the CL, but when we play our last game of our season on the 25th May and our first CL qualifier is on the 9th of July (with internationals in between) its no real surprise that by the time the CL groups kick-off the players are cream crackered.
Close season for some of them is a long weekend.
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 30 minutes ago
"winning the amount of domestic trophies Celtic win every year means absolutely nothing"
Dispute that. Will mean alot to Celtic, and Rangers. And Scottish Football in general.
Might not mean anything to you, but then, does any other league?
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Sorry mate, but if Spurs won the treble every year for 50 years, it would be totally meaningless. The whole idea of any league in any sport, it that there is some kind of competitiveness. Unfortunately the Prem has been going much the same way since its inception, but at least there are more than a couple of winners, ir not that many more.
comment by Shaun M - Ran out of usernames (U9955)
posted 10 minutes ago
They should put Celtic and Rangers in the english league to blow open Scottish football. Better than having Brighton and Bournemouth in it with there 10k stadiums.
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Brighton and Bournemouth as it stands are both better than Rangers and Celtic. Why should they be jettisoned for two Scottish Clubs, if you want to join the English Leagues, you start right at the very bottom, and it would take at least a decade to reach the Prem, even if you were promoted every season, which would be highly unlikely. Most of the English lower leagues are a lot more competitive than the Scottish Prem.
Having lots of supporters does not equate to success. Newcastle fill their Stadium with 50,000 every home game, and they have not won a domestic league or cup since 1955. That is 65 years ago.
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 26 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Even before the Prem and all the money, the Scottish top division was uncompetitive, with only two teams ever liable to win it.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 26 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Even before the Prem and all the money, the Scottish top division was uncompetitive, with only two teams ever liable to win it.
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Which is why I asked for a comparison with other European leagues, I'd suggest, without facts, that competition in other leagues would roughly be the same.
comment by Shaun M - Ran out of usernames (U9955)
posted 25 minutes ago
They should put Celtic and Rangers in the english league to blow open Scottish football. Better than having Brighton and Bournemouth in it with there 10k stadiums.
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Brighton have got a decent stadium
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 36 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Ajax don't make that much more revenue than Celtic.
I think there are far greater problems than just the money.
Ajax do alright, not great but good.
What about the champs of other 5m populations?
Scotland used to produce very good players, now they produce none of any real quality.
McGinn, Tierney, Robertson, Armstrong, McGregor...
Ajax do alright, not great but good.
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They regularly produce world class talent from their academy, play great football, and consistently perform well in Europe. They clearly outperform Celtic despite operating with roughly the same revenues.
Wasn't arguing that point, they are good.
They're one team though, what about more comparisons.
Sandy ... "Brighton and Bournemouth as it stands are both better than Rangers and Celtic. Why should they be jettisoned for two Scottish Clubs ..."
I for one am not suggesting they should, and don't think it will ever happen ... BUT they are only currently "better" because of the league they are lucky enough to be in ... and more specifically, the £150m of free money (100% pure profit) they get handed by Sky every season without kicking a ball. The OF get about £3m tops from TV money, and actually have to EARN every other penny of revenue. Give the OF £150m each for a few seasons and see who's the "better" clubs ... OR give Brighton and Bournemouth ... and Spurs ... £3m a season of TV money and what sort of quality would those sides have?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wasn't arguing that point, they are good.
They're one team though, what about more comparisons.
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I think they do great considering they're resources.
If they're only good Celtic are doing complete sheit.
their^
More comparisons? Why? Celtic should be modelling themselves on their approach. Invest in youth development.
Mickey Mouse football, Celtic and Rangers are lower half Championship standard, and the rest of the SPL are League One level.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 minutes ago
McGinn, Tierney, Robertson, Armstrong, McGregor...
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Decent players, but not in the same league as players like Mackay, Law, White, Johnstone, McNeil, Bremner, etc.
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Away from the Prem, how good
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posted on 14/8/19
Of course its all about money. There are SPFL players on hundreds a week rather than 10's of thousands.
Could you turn your analytical eye to the rest of Europe leagues and see if Scotland is anomoly or if it is, in fact, the norm.
posted on 14/8/19
"winning the amount of domestic trophies Celtic win every year means absolutely nothing"
Dispute that. Will mean alot to Celtic, and Rangers. And Scottish Football in general.
Might not mean anything to you, but then, does any other league?
posted on 14/8/19
The fact that Scottish football produced a plethora of young talent that was distributed across the English leagues is no more, where did it all go so wrong?
posted on 14/8/19
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
posted on 14/8/19
Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football
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that's the only sentence really worthwhile in all that
posted on 14/8/19
Used to love it in the early 00s. The old firms were the best games.
Money in general has ruined football generally.
posted on 14/8/19
They should put Celtic and Rangers in the english league to blow open Scottish football. Better than having Brighton and Bournemouth in it with there 10k stadiums.
posted on 14/8/19
Outside of Celtic and Rangers it’s mostly non league standard now.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Celtics only real opportunity to earn is through the CL, but when we play our last game of our season on the 25th May and our first CL qualifier is on the 9th of July (with internationals in between) its no real surprise that by the time the CL groups kick-off the players are cream crackered.
Close season for some of them is a long weekend.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 30 minutes ago
"winning the amount of domestic trophies Celtic win every year means absolutely nothing"
Dispute that. Will mean alot to Celtic, and Rangers. And Scottish Football in general.
Might not mean anything to you, but then, does any other league?
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Sorry mate, but if Spurs won the treble every year for 50 years, it would be totally meaningless. The whole idea of any league in any sport, it that there is some kind of competitiveness. Unfortunately the Prem has been going much the same way since its inception, but at least there are more than a couple of winners, ir not that many more.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Shaun M - Ran out of usernames (U9955)
posted 10 minutes ago
They should put Celtic and Rangers in the english league to blow open Scottish football. Better than having Brighton and Bournemouth in it with there 10k stadiums.
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Brighton and Bournemouth as it stands are both better than Rangers and Celtic. Why should they be jettisoned for two Scottish Clubs, if you want to join the English Leagues, you start right at the very bottom, and it would take at least a decade to reach the Prem, even if you were promoted every season, which would be highly unlikely. Most of the English lower leagues are a lot more competitive than the Scottish Prem.
Having lots of supporters does not equate to success. Newcastle fill their Stadium with 50,000 every home game, and they have not won a domestic league or cup since 1955. That is 65 years ago.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 26 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Even before the Prem and all the money, the Scottish top division was uncompetitive, with only two teams ever liable to win it.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 26 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Even before the Prem and all the money, the Scottish top division was uncompetitive, with only two teams ever liable to win it.
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Which is why I asked for a comparison with other European leagues, I'd suggest, without facts, that competition in other leagues would roughly be the same.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Shaun M - Ran out of usernames (U9955)
posted 25 minutes ago
They should put Celtic and Rangers in the english league to blow open Scottish football. Better than having Brighton and Bournemouth in it with there 10k stadiums.
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Brighton have got a decent stadium
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 36 minutes ago
"Money obviously has played a big part in the chasm between English and Scottish football ..."
Eh, I think you could have just stopped there, mate. We have the best attendance figures per head of population of any league in Europe ... England included. Only a pittance of TV money though, so how do we "compete" when the financial chasm to the Sky-moneybags league is now enormous, and getting wider every year? To the point that useless cants like Oli McBurnie are now deemed to be worth £20m?!!
Of course, it also doesn't help that our domestic game has been run by clowns for decades.
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Ajax don't make that much more revenue than Celtic.
I think there are far greater problems than just the money.
posted on 14/8/19
Ajax do alright, not great but good.
What about the champs of other 5m populations?
posted on 14/8/19
Scotland used to produce very good players, now they produce none of any real quality.
posted on 14/8/19
McGinn, Tierney, Robertson, Armstrong, McGregor...
posted on 14/8/19
Ajax do alright, not great but good.
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They regularly produce world class talent from their academy, play great football, and consistently perform well in Europe. They clearly outperform Celtic despite operating with roughly the same revenues.
posted on 14/8/19
Wasn't arguing that point, they are good.
They're one team though, what about more comparisons.
posted on 14/8/19
Sandy ... "Brighton and Bournemouth as it stands are both better than Rangers and Celtic. Why should they be jettisoned for two Scottish Clubs ..."
I for one am not suggesting they should, and don't think it will ever happen ... BUT they are only currently "better" because of the league they are lucky enough to be in ... and more specifically, the £150m of free money (100% pure profit) they get handed by Sky every season without kicking a ball. The OF get about £3m tops from TV money, and actually have to EARN every other penny of revenue. Give the OF £150m each for a few seasons and see who's the "better" clubs ... OR give Brighton and Bournemouth ... and Spurs ... £3m a season of TV money and what sort of quality would those sides have?
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wasn't arguing that point, they are good.
They're one team though, what about more comparisons.
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I think they do great considering they're resources.
If they're only good Celtic are doing complete sheit.
posted on 14/8/19
their^
More comparisons? Why? Celtic should be modelling themselves on their approach. Invest in youth development.
posted on 14/8/19
Mickey Mouse football, Celtic and Rangers are lower half Championship standard, and the rest of the SPL are League One level.
posted on 14/8/19
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 19 minutes ago
McGinn, Tierney, Robertson, Armstrong, McGregor...
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Decent players, but not in the same league as players like Mackay, Law, White, Johnstone, McNeil, Bremner, etc.
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