City, and Pep in particular need to grow up and accept they don't have a divine right to win every game. they/he play. H stormed off like a 3 year old at the end.
Whist we were poor today, we took our goals well, hung in there, and very few teams will get anything up there this season, much less score twice.
And as for VAR, the fact is every single VAR decision, both today and in last year's CL were correctly made. Just because each one went our way does not mean they were wrong. Today the handball did effect play as it deflected the ball to a City player, resulting in him having space in the box and scoring. In the CL Aguero was offside, and Llorente goal came off his hip.
Happy to take the point, as most, if not all our direct rivals will get nothing up there, so a point gained on them.
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posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 17 seconds ago
Zzzzzzzzzzzz!
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Chelsea still bottom?
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never have been and win tomorrow and we are a point behind high flying purs and just 3 off top spot
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VAR is coming up with absolutely the correct decisions. Which I think is the whole idea of it. Supporters can moan all they like, but if the correct decision is given by VAR, then I for one think it is absolutely here to stay.
We have lost previous games that we have dominated with 60-70% of possession......................I said then and reiterate it now, the only things that matter are goals.
Yes City were by far the better team, however we had possibly only 4 shots on goal, whilst they had dozens yet the score was 2-2
VAR is coming up with absolutely the correct decisions.
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Were you saying that in the CL Final where the worst penalty on record was given?
Look I can see why everybody is happy with a point but not caring how we played? That baffles me totally.
Good sides dont muddle through from game to game and thats what we have been doing for months now.
Draw at City great lose at Burnley, draw in Barca lost at home to Wolves, thats not the mark of a side that is going to get where we want to go.
We definitely need more consistency for a start. We need a system that does not leave us totally vulnerable out wide. We need to stop this ridiculous playing across the back when we simply dont have the players to do that.
A couple of years ago when we watched Spurs they looked like a top side whereas half the time now we look like another damned Stoke.
You may not want to hear it but its true and until we start playing in a way that makes us look like a top side again then trust me we are due a hell of a lot of disappointments this season.
Nicking a result against the run of play with a bit of luck is a very short term thing it might be amusing and double handy but playing good football, playing forwards and not backwards is a long term thing.
Whether we like it or not Poch has still only won 3 games away to top 6 rivals and today was a very clear message as to why.
That could have been and should have been 6 put past us today and if you think that sort of luck will hold and allow us to become trophy winners then I can assure you that it wont.
VAR is a tool. It does not give judgements. It is an aid to referees. It can be used well, or it can be used badly. The same thing can be said of the human eye.
And VAR certainly shows up things that the human eye misses - like today, as an example.
That said, the use of VAR today in denying City's "3rd goal" should not be confused with the fact that Spurs were very lucky to get a draw against the run of play and did not deserve it.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
VAR is coming up with absolutely the correct decisions. Which I think is the whole idea of it. Supporters can moan all they like, but if the correct decision is given by VAR, then I for one think it is absolutely here to stay.
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NO. VAR does not come up with any decisions.
VAR does not make decisions.
VAR shows the referee what happened, in great detail, and then the referee makes the decision.
VAR is a tool. It is NOT a referee.
A referee can look at VAR and still make the wrong decision. However, that should be less likely to happen then not looking at VAR at all.
VAR is just trying to balance out all those times we didn't have VAR and were robbed like Pedro Mendez against United.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
VAR is just trying to balance out all those times we didn't have VAR and were robbed like Pedro Mendez against United.
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VAR is not "trying to do" anything.
It is a tool to aid referee's in their decision making.
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posted on 17/8/19
City, and Pep in particular need to grow up and accept they don't have a divine right to win every game. they/he play. H stormed off like a 3 year old at the end.
Whist we were poor today, we took our goals well, hung in there, and very few teams will get anything up there this season, much less score twice.
And as for VAR, the fact is every single VAR decision, both today and in last year's CL were correctly made. Just because each one went our way does not mean they were wrong. Today the handball did effect play as it deflected the ball to a City player, resulting in him having space in the box and scoring. In the CL Aguero was offside, and Llorente goal came off his hip.
Happy to take the point, as most, if not all our direct rivals will get nothing up there, so a point gained on them.
posted on 17/8/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 17 seconds ago
Zzzzzzzzzzzz!
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Chelsea still bottom?
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never have been and win tomorrow and we are a point behind high flying purs and just 3 off top spot
posted on 17/8/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/8/19
VAR is coming up with absolutely the correct decisions. Which I think is the whole idea of it. Supporters can moan all they like, but if the correct decision is given by VAR, then I for one think it is absolutely here to stay.
posted on 17/8/19
We have lost previous games that we have dominated with 60-70% of possession......................I said then and reiterate it now, the only things that matter are goals.
Yes City were by far the better team, however we had possibly only 4 shots on goal, whilst they had dozens yet the score was 2-2
posted on 17/8/19
VAR is coming up with absolutely the correct decisions.
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Were you saying that in the CL Final where the worst penalty on record was given?
Look I can see why everybody is happy with a point but not caring how we played? That baffles me totally.
Good sides dont muddle through from game to game and thats what we have been doing for months now.
Draw at City great lose at Burnley, draw in Barca lost at home to Wolves, thats not the mark of a side that is going to get where we want to go.
We definitely need more consistency for a start. We need a system that does not leave us totally vulnerable out wide. We need to stop this ridiculous playing across the back when we simply dont have the players to do that.
A couple of years ago when we watched Spurs they looked like a top side whereas half the time now we look like another damned Stoke.
You may not want to hear it but its true and until we start playing in a way that makes us look like a top side again then trust me we are due a hell of a lot of disappointments this season.
Nicking a result against the run of play with a bit of luck is a very short term thing it might be amusing and double handy but playing good football, playing forwards and not backwards is a long term thing.
Whether we like it or not Poch has still only won 3 games away to top 6 rivals and today was a very clear message as to why.
That could have been and should have been 6 put past us today and if you think that sort of luck will hold and allow us to become trophy winners then I can assure you that it wont.
posted on 17/8/19
VAR is a tool. It does not give judgements. It is an aid to referees. It can be used well, or it can be used badly. The same thing can be said of the human eye.
And VAR certainly shows up things that the human eye misses - like today, as an example.
posted on 17/8/19
That said, the use of VAR today in denying City's "3rd goal" should not be confused with the fact that Spurs were very lucky to get a draw against the run of play and did not deserve it.
posted on 17/8/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
VAR is coming up with absolutely the correct decisions. Which I think is the whole idea of it. Supporters can moan all they like, but if the correct decision is given by VAR, then I for one think it is absolutely here to stay.
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NO. VAR does not come up with any decisions.
VAR does not make decisions.
VAR shows the referee what happened, in great detail, and then the referee makes the decision.
VAR is a tool. It is NOT a referee.
A referee can look at VAR and still make the wrong decision. However, that should be less likely to happen then not looking at VAR at all.
posted on 17/8/19
VAR is just trying to balance out all those times we didn't have VAR and were robbed like Pedro Mendez against United.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
VAR is just trying to balance out all those times we didn't have VAR and were robbed like Pedro Mendez against United.
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VAR is not "trying to do" anything.
It is a tool to aid referee's in their decision making.
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