It takes away from the experience of match going fans which is the only drawback imo (as a match going fan).
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
It takes away from the experience of match going fans which is the only drawback imo (as a match going fan).
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
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Good point. It should be quite simple to put the VAR replay that the referee is consulting up on the big screen in any football stadium. That is an FA decision.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
It takes away from the experience of match going fans which is the only drawback imo (as a match going fan).
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
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Good point. It should be quite simple to put the VAR replay that the referee is consulting up on the big screen in any football stadium. That is an FA decision.
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Yep there's good arguement not to show the replays any more
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
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This is not a reasonable expectation IMO.
Without VAR, the fans at the match saw no replays in most grounds. When the ref facks up, match going fans have no clue that the ref facked up until they get home or get access to a replay or match report.
Now that we have VAR, now match going fans need replays so they can see what those at home can see? Fans at the games previously never had access to replays like at home, they accepted the refs decision usually.
Now, they will accept the decision of the VAR assisted ref the same way they accepted that of the ref without VAR.
I don't see why it should mean they should now have compulsory replays on big screens at every match.
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 28 minutes ago
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
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This is not a reasonable expectation IMO.
Without VAR, the fans at the match saw no replays in most grounds. When the ref facks up, match going fans have no clue that the ref facked up until they get home or get access to a replay or match report.
Now that we have VAR, now match going fans need replays so they can see what those at home can see? Fans at the games previously never had access to replays like at home, they accepted the refs decision usually.
Now, they will accept the decision of the VAR assisted ref the same way they accepted that of the ref without VAR.
I don't see why it should mean they should now have compulsory replays on big screens at every match.
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Fans go absolutely mental over correctly called decisions (they believe aren't correct) almost every single game. Seeing the correct decision being made via a replay may well reduce abuse
VAR should’ve implemented exactly how Hawkeye is in cricket. The third umpire describes the replays and you can as a viewer see what he/she sees.
But I guess, once I saw one replay for me it was obvious the ball changed path and fell nicely for Jesus, because the ball hit another players arm.
Jesus did gain an advantage and if you look the deflection from the arm beat Ndombele and Spurs players too.
I like that. Too many teams use arms cunningly disguised and gained advantage from which they capitalised.
How often we are enraged because the ref missed a handball in the build up of a goal which enabled the attack?
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 49 minutes ago
VAR should’ve implemented exactly how Hawkeye is in cricket. The third umpire describes the replays and you can as a viewer see what he/she sees.
But I guess, once I saw one replay for me it was obvious the ball changed path and fell nicely for Jesus, because the ball hit another players arm.
Jesus did gain an advantage and if you look the deflection from the arm beat Ndombele and Spurs players too.
I like that. Too many teams use arms cunningly disguised and gained advantage from which they capitalised.
How often we are enraged because the ref missed a handball in the build up of a goal which enabled the attack?
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The reviews in cricket are really well done. In the stadium for football you don't even know a review is taking place, much less why.
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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That's kind of irrelevant to VAR in fairness, simply whether or not you trust referees or not. There's far less room to hide behind dodgy decisions with VAR than without
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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That's kind of irrelevant to VAR in fairness, simply whether or not you trust referees or not. There's far less room to hide behind dodgy decisions with VAR than without
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Did you just explain my 1st sentence? I basically said that in less words.
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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That's kind of irrelevant to VAR in fairness, simply whether or not you trust referees or not. There's far less room to hide behind dodgy decisions with VAR than without
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Did you just explain my 1st sentence? I basically said that in less words.
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Not intentionally, perhaps I misunderstood your comment
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 13 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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The Rodri one was a penalty for me. Was it a clear and obvious error? Difficult one for me as I believe the term is subjective so it comes down to the VAR officials opinion. They say no. I would say yes.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 13 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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The Rodri one was a penalty for me. Was it a clear and obvious error? Difficult one for me as I believe the term is subjective so it comes down to the VAR officials opinion. They say no. I would say yes.
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Ye. They can hide behind clear and obvious. Thats the problem, i actually think that was a clear and obvious mistake. What wasnt is the laporte handball. Even tho it is handball. And people bringing up cricket.. lets be honest cricket alot more black or white than footy. And the umpires have been worse since video help.. the ashes 1st test was a shh11t show by umpires..
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 13 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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The Rodri one was a penalty for me. Was it a clear and obvious error? Difficult one for me as I believe the term is subjective so it comes down to the VAR officials opinion. They say no. I would say yes.
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Ye. They can hide behind clear and obvious. Thats the problem, i actually think that was a clear and obvious mistake. What wasnt is the laporte handball. Even tho it is handball. And people bringing up cricket.. lets be honest cricket alot more black or white than footy. And the umpires have been worse since video help.. the ashes 1st test was a shh11t show by umpires..
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I think it was clear and obvious also but that's because I have one view of what that means and others will have another view.
The handball one was definitely a clear and obvious error as nobody even thought there was a handball until the replay showed it, therefore it was a clear and obvious error as the referee thought there was no handball but the replays showed there was.
Basically the same thing you complained about in the CL SF against Spurs has now been implemented and now you're complaining against it.
Even offside's are not as clear cut as they make it seem.
There is still a margin of error for the really close ones as the technology is'nt perfect yet as they cannot determine the exact point of contact when the ball is being played. So they have to work out the margin of error and make allowances for it.
As far as penalties go I don't think it will solve anything other than the clear and obvious and they will have to take the referee's original decision into account. Everything looks like a penalty when viewed in slow motion.
But i havent seen many say it wasnt clear. Only the var people. I dont know what that has to do with sf as we got done by var then.. sergio was offside they got given benefit for a handball when most of the other handballs got given as handball in cl last season
I don't see why it should mean they should now have compulsory replays on big screens at every match.
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Fans go absolutely mental over correctly called decisions (they believe aren't correct) almost every single game. Seeing the correct decision being made via a replay may well reduce abuse
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Reducing abuse is a whole different reason to what I was responding to.
If indeed it can reduce abuse, they can do it, VAR or no VAR.
And sergio scored a goal in pl v arsenal that hit his arm.. everyone was saying should be dissalowed. Var would.. but llorente did same and the goal stands
People are also get confused about the new handball rules.
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
And sergio scored a goal in pl v arsenal that hit his arm.. everyone was saying should be dissalowed. Var would.. but llorente did same and the goal stands
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The rules have changed since then
And Uefa and Fa have different enforcement of the handball rules. For instance refs has said that the Cl handball by Sissoko would not have stood in the pl
this year. I speak under correction but the not intentional handball rule was not play in cl semi yet.
for goals scored like the La porte one yesterday
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 50 seconds ago
And Uefa and Fa have different enforcement of the handball rules. For instance refs has said that the Cl handball by Sissoko would not have stood in the pl
this year. I speak under correction but the not intentional handball rule was not play in cl semi yet.
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But the decisions made in cl last season. I think llorente is handball.. end when tge ref looked at the screen he shrugged his shoulders. Cos he got given one angle
I do not like this handball rules and I think city were hard done by but in this instance in was the rules not var that was to blame. According to that it was the right decision.
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 50 seconds ago
And Uefa and Fa have different enforcement of the handball rules. For instance refs has said that the Cl handball by Sissoko would not have stood in the pl
this year. I speak under correction but the not intentional handball rule was not play in cl semi yet.
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But the decisions made in cl last season. I think llorente is handball.. end when tge ref looked at the screen he shrugged his shoulders. Cos he got given one angle
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But even then rules were different he had his hands by his side and intent would come into it so they could still say he didnt intend to do it. Under the the new rules it would have been a handball.
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posted on 18/8/19
It takes away from the experience of match going fans which is the only drawback imo (as a match going fan).
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
It takes away from the experience of match going fans which is the only drawback imo (as a match going fan).
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
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Good point. It should be quite simple to put the VAR replay that the referee is consulting up on the big screen in any football stadium. That is an FA decision.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
It takes away from the experience of match going fans which is the only drawback imo (as a match going fan).
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
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Good point. It should be quite simple to put the VAR replay that the referee is consulting up on the big screen in any football stadium. That is an FA decision.
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Yep there's good arguement not to show the replays any more
posted on 18/8/19
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
=====
This is not a reasonable expectation IMO.
Without VAR, the fans at the match saw no replays in most grounds. When the ref facks up, match going fans have no clue that the ref facked up until they get home or get access to a replay or match report.
Now that we have VAR, now match going fans need replays so they can see what those at home can see? Fans at the games previously never had access to replays like at home, they accepted the refs decision usually.
Now, they will accept the decision of the VAR assisted ref the same way they accepted that of the ref without VAR.
I don't see why it should mean they should now have compulsory replays on big screens at every match.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 28 minutes ago
At the very least fans should be given the same replays as those watching on TV.
=====
This is not a reasonable expectation IMO.
Without VAR, the fans at the match saw no replays in most grounds. When the ref facks up, match going fans have no clue that the ref facked up until they get home or get access to a replay or match report.
Now that we have VAR, now match going fans need replays so they can see what those at home can see? Fans at the games previously never had access to replays like at home, they accepted the refs decision usually.
Now, they will accept the decision of the VAR assisted ref the same way they accepted that of the ref without VAR.
I don't see why it should mean they should now have compulsory replays on big screens at every match.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fans go absolutely mental over correctly called decisions (they believe aren't correct) almost every single game. Seeing the correct decision being made via a replay may well reduce abuse
posted on 18/8/19
VAR should’ve implemented exactly how Hawkeye is in cricket. The third umpire describes the replays and you can as a viewer see what he/she sees.
But I guess, once I saw one replay for me it was obvious the ball changed path and fell nicely for Jesus, because the ball hit another players arm.
Jesus did gain an advantage and if you look the deflection from the arm beat Ndombele and Spurs players too.
I like that. Too many teams use arms cunningly disguised and gained advantage from which they capitalised.
How often we are enraged because the ref missed a handball in the build up of a goal which enabled the attack?
posted on 18/8/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 49 minutes ago
VAR should’ve implemented exactly how Hawkeye is in cricket. The third umpire describes the replays and you can as a viewer see what he/she sees.
But I guess, once I saw one replay for me it was obvious the ball changed path and fell nicely for Jesus, because the ball hit another players arm.
Jesus did gain an advantage and if you look the deflection from the arm beat Ndombele and Spurs players too.
I like that. Too many teams use arms cunningly disguised and gained advantage from which they capitalised.
How often we are enraged because the ref missed a handball in the build up of a goal which enabled the attack?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reviews in cricket are really well done. In the stadium for football you don't even know a review is taking place, much less why.
posted on 18/8/19
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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That's kind of irrelevant to VAR in fairness, simply whether or not you trust referees or not. There's far less room to hide behind dodgy decisions with VAR than without
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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That's kind of irrelevant to VAR in fairness, simply whether or not you trust referees or not. There's far less room to hide behind dodgy decisions with VAR than without
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Did you just explain my 1st sentence? I basically said that in less words.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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That's kind of irrelevant to VAR in fairness, simply whether or not you trust referees or not. There's far less room to hide behind dodgy decisions with VAR than without
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Did you just explain my 1st sentence? I basically said that in less words.
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Not intentionally, perhaps I misunderstood your comment
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 13 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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The Rodri one was a penalty for me. Was it a clear and obvious error? Difficult one for me as I believe the term is subjective so it comes down to the VAR officials opinion. They say no. I would say yes.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 13 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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The Rodri one was a penalty for me. Was it a clear and obvious error? Difficult one for me as I believe the term is subjective so it comes down to the VAR officials opinion. They say no. I would say yes.
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Ye. They can hide behind clear and obvious. Thats the problem, i actually think that was a clear and obvious mistake. What wasnt is the laporte handball. Even tho it is handball. And people bringing up cricket.. lets be honest cricket alot more black or white than footy. And the umpires have been worse since video help.. the ashes 1st test was a shh11t show by umpires..
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 13 minutes ago
I want var i just dont trust the people running it. Laporte was handball i have no problem with that. Can anyone really watch that on rodri and say it wasnt a pen? I hope they come out and explain it, cos i havent heard a reason why that wasnt given through var.
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The Rodri one was a penalty for me. Was it a clear and obvious error? Difficult one for me as I believe the term is subjective so it comes down to the VAR officials opinion. They say no. I would say yes.
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Ye. They can hide behind clear and obvious. Thats the problem, i actually think that was a clear and obvious mistake. What wasnt is the laporte handball. Even tho it is handball. And people bringing up cricket.. lets be honest cricket alot more black or white than footy. And the umpires have been worse since video help.. the ashes 1st test was a shh11t show by umpires..
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I think it was clear and obvious also but that's because I have one view of what that means and others will have another view.
The handball one was definitely a clear and obvious error as nobody even thought there was a handball until the replay showed it, therefore it was a clear and obvious error as the referee thought there was no handball but the replays showed there was.
Basically the same thing you complained about in the CL SF against Spurs has now been implemented and now you're complaining against it.
posted on 18/8/19
Even offside's are not as clear cut as they make it seem.
There is still a margin of error for the really close ones as the technology is'nt perfect yet as they cannot determine the exact point of contact when the ball is being played. So they have to work out the margin of error and make allowances for it.
As far as penalties go I don't think it will solve anything other than the clear and obvious and they will have to take the referee's original decision into account. Everything looks like a penalty when viewed in slow motion.
posted on 18/8/19
But i havent seen many say it wasnt clear. Only the var people. I dont know what that has to do with sf as we got done by var then.. sergio was offside they got given benefit for a handball when most of the other handballs got given as handball in cl last season
posted on 18/8/19
I don't see why it should mean they should now have compulsory replays on big screens at every match.
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Fans go absolutely mental over correctly called decisions (they believe aren't correct) almost every single game. Seeing the correct decision being made via a replay may well reduce abuse
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Reducing abuse is a whole different reason to what I was responding to.
If indeed it can reduce abuse, they can do it, VAR or no VAR.
posted on 18/8/19
And sergio scored a goal in pl v arsenal that hit his arm.. everyone was saying should be dissalowed. Var would.. but llorente did same and the goal stands
posted on 18/8/19
People are also get confused about the new handball rules.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 3 minutes ago
And sergio scored a goal in pl v arsenal that hit his arm.. everyone was saying should be dissalowed. Var would.. but llorente did same and the goal stands
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The rules have changed since then
posted on 18/8/19
And Uefa and Fa have different enforcement of the handball rules. For instance refs has said that the Cl handball by Sissoko would not have stood in the pl
this year. I speak under correction but the not intentional handball rule was not play in cl semi yet.
posted on 18/8/19
for goals scored like the La porte one yesterday
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 50 seconds ago
And Uefa and Fa have different enforcement of the handball rules. For instance refs has said that the Cl handball by Sissoko would not have stood in the pl
this year. I speak under correction but the not intentional handball rule was not play in cl semi yet.
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But the decisions made in cl last season. I think llorente is handball.. end when tge ref looked at the screen he shrugged his shoulders. Cos he got given one angle
posted on 18/8/19
I do not like this handball rules and I think city were hard done by but in this instance in was the rules not var that was to blame. According to that it was the right decision.
posted on 18/8/19
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 50 seconds ago
And Uefa and Fa have different enforcement of the handball rules. For instance refs has said that the Cl handball by Sissoko would not have stood in the pl
this year. I speak under correction but the not intentional handball rule was not play in cl semi yet.
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But the decisions made in cl last season. I think llorente is handball.. end when tge ref looked at the screen he shrugged his shoulders. Cos he got given one angle
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But even then rules were different he had his hands by his side and intent would come into it so they could still say he didnt intend to do it. Under the the new rules it would have been a handball.
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