It doesn't follow on that Spurs are the second best team in Europe at all. For example, Liverpool could have drawn the second and third best teams in Europe in the earlier knock out stages.
Spurs may have just had a really fortuitous path to final and when they got there they just went all spursy. 😂😂
Sir Robert, I believe that German is on record saying he wants to win the league. Don't think he mentioned the word pinnacle mind.
Thanks Rouge, I knew I was on the right track.
In that case Lonewolf it follows that Liverpool are not necessarily the best team in Europe. It's one or the other.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
In that case Lonewolf it follows that Liverpool are not necessarily the best team in Europe. It's one or the other.
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No, because liverpool defeated everyone they faced. All the teams they didn't play ended up getting knocked out earlier because they weren't as good. Spurs were the best team on their half of the draw, but when they played the best team in the other half they lost comfortably.
Making Spurs the second best team in Europe. And they had to beat City, the best team in England.
Liverpool definitely are not the best team in Europe. Manchester City are.
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 31 minutes ago
Liverpool definitely are not the best team in Europe. Manchester City are.
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Shut up Wahl
I’m not Wahl and it’s pretty clear City are better than Liverpool.
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 15 minutes ago
I’m not Wahl and it’s pretty clear City are better than Liverpool.
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Shut up wahl
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 18 minutes ago
I’m not Wahl and it’s pretty clear City are better than Liverpool.
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posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 5 seconds ago
Sandy now wants Poch gone. Their best manager in about 30 years - has taken them from an underachieving mid table side to top 4 regulars and a CL final, coaching some of the best players the club has had, and doing it on a shoestring. And he wants him gone
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Mate, you wanted Ranieri gone after he won you the league. Furrrking hypocrite
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How do you know that if you joined two days ago?“
Shut up Wahl
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Making Spurs the second best team in Europe. And they had to beat City, the best team in England.
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Nope. All we know is spurs are not as good in europe as liverpool, because they played each other. We also know that Barcelona weren't as good because they got knocked out by liverpool.
We cab presume that Barcelona are better than spurs because the did better when they played. They were just unfortunate to come up against the best team in the semis rather than the final.
Similarly we have no evidence that spurs were better than Munich because they didn't play. All we can say for sure is that both are worse than Liverpool. Although for ranking purposes, a 3-1 loss to liverpool would place munich higher than spurs who had a 2 - 0 loss.
Nope. All we know is spurs are not as good in europe as liverpool, because they played each other. We also know that Barcelona weren't as good because they got knocked out by liverpool.
We cab presume that Barcelona are better than spurs because the did better when they played. They were just unfortunate to come up against the best team in the semis rather than the final.
Similarly we have no evidence that spurs were better than Munich because they didn't play. All we can say for sure is that both are worse than Liverpool. Although for ranking purposes, a 3-1 loss to liverpool would place munich higher than spurs who had a 2 - 0 loss.
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No Spurs aren't as good in Europe as Liverpool, we are agreed. But they did reach the final.
True there is no evidence they are better than Munich because they didn't play them.
But it is also true that we cannot say Liverpool are better than the teams they didn't play. It is perfectly possible had you had to play City you may have lost, I don't say you would, because it is an unknown. Just like Spurs results are unknown against teams they didn't play.
You beat the teams in front of you and won the trophy.
Spurs beat the teams in front of them except you. So they are the second best team in Europe.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Nope. All we know is spurs are not as good in europe as liverpool, because they played each other. We also know that Barcelona weren't as good because they got knocked out by liverpool.
We cab presume that Barcelona are better than spurs because the did better when they played. They were just unfortunate to come up against the best team in the semis rather than the final.
Similarly we have no evidence that spurs were better than Munich because they didn't play. All we can say for sure is that both are worse than Liverpool. Although for ranking purposes, a 3-1 loss to liverpool would place munich higher than spurs who had a 2 - 0 loss.
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No Spurs aren't as good in Europe as Liverpool, we are agreed. But they did reach the final.
True there is no evidence they are better than Munich because they didn't play them.
But it is also true that we cannot say Liverpool are better than the teams they didn't play. It is perfectly possible had you had to play City you may have lost, I don't say you would, because it is an unknown. Just like Spurs results are unknown against teams they didn't play.
You beat the teams in front of you and won the trophy.
Spurs beat the teams in front of them except you. So they are the second best team in Europe.
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Yeah it's fair enough. I was just creating hypothetical arguments because I find it interesting when you deal with unknowns.
You could equally say that Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Porto beat the teams in front of them except us, just like spurs. They just happened to he drawn against us sooner. Obviously this is all just speculation and doesn't actually matter, just interesting to think about.
Both competitions, league and cup, have their own way of determining the "best" team in that competition. Often neither actually determine an objectively best team, just a best team under that arbitrary rules they have adopted. This is why I find cliches like "the table never lies" to be odd. The table might not lie, but all it shows is who is doing the best by what the table measures. If it was decided that clean sheets was the new way to rank the teams in the league then the table would look different, but it still wouldn't "lie".
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
Liverpool definitely are not the best team in Europe. Manchester City are.
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Hey wahl
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
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No
Both city and liverpool are head and shoulders above spurs
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
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Obviously not. We finished one point behind them in the league and won the CL. We're the best in Europe.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 40 minutes ago
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
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Most football matches contain luck. That's like saying City shouldn't have won the league because they had luck in doing so.
Wolves beat City in the Asia Cup final this season.
Liverpool
Wolves
City
Spurs are a joke, all 3 of the above teams thrashed them on their home ground last season.
comment by LoneWolf (U22026)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
Wolves beat City in the Asia Cup final this season.
Liverpool
Wolves
City
Spurs are a joke, all 3 of the above teams thrashed them on their home ground last season.
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Exactly. Wolves are the best team in Asia.
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posted on 27/8/19
It doesn't follow on that Spurs are the second best team in Europe at all. For example, Liverpool could have drawn the second and third best teams in Europe in the earlier knock out stages.
Spurs may have just had a really fortuitous path to final and when they got there they just went all spursy. 😂😂
posted on 27/8/19
Sir Robert, I believe that German is on record saying he wants to win the league. Don't think he mentioned the word pinnacle mind.
Thanks Rouge, I knew I was on the right track.
posted on 27/8/19
In that case Lonewolf it follows that Liverpool are not necessarily the best team in Europe. It's one or the other.
posted on 27/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
In that case Lonewolf it follows that Liverpool are not necessarily the best team in Europe. It's one or the other.
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No, because liverpool defeated everyone they faced. All the teams they didn't play ended up getting knocked out earlier because they weren't as good. Spurs were the best team on their half of the draw, but when they played the best team in the other half they lost comfortably.
posted on 27/8/19
Making Spurs the second best team in Europe. And they had to beat City, the best team in England.
posted on 27/8/19
Liverpool definitely are not the best team in Europe. Manchester City are.
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 31 minutes ago
Liverpool definitely are not the best team in Europe. Manchester City are.
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Shut up Wahl
posted on 27/8/19
I’m not Wahl and it’s pretty clear City are better than Liverpool.
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 15 minutes ago
I’m not Wahl and it’s pretty clear City are better than Liverpool.
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Shut up wahl
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 18 minutes ago
I’m not Wahl and it’s pretty clear City are better than Liverpool.
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“posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Dubbed the new Emery (U21076)
posted 18 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 5 seconds ago
Sandy now wants Poch gone. Their best manager in about 30 years - has taken them from an underachieving mid table side to top 4 regulars and a CL final, coaching some of the best players the club has had, and doing it on a shoestring. And he wants him gone
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Mate, you wanted Ranieri gone after he won you the league. Furrrking hypocrite
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How do you know that if you joined two days ago?“
Shut up Wahl
posted on 27/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
Making Spurs the second best team in Europe. And they had to beat City, the best team in England.
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Nope. All we know is spurs are not as good in europe as liverpool, because they played each other. We also know that Barcelona weren't as good because they got knocked out by liverpool.
We cab presume that Barcelona are better than spurs because the did better when they played. They were just unfortunate to come up against the best team in the semis rather than the final.
Similarly we have no evidence that spurs were better than Munich because they didn't play. All we can say for sure is that both are worse than Liverpool. Although for ranking purposes, a 3-1 loss to liverpool would place munich higher than spurs who had a 2 - 0 loss.
posted on 27/8/19
Nope. All we know is spurs are not as good in europe as liverpool, because they played each other. We also know that Barcelona weren't as good because they got knocked out by liverpool.
We cab presume that Barcelona are better than spurs because the did better when they played. They were just unfortunate to come up against the best team in the semis rather than the final.
Similarly we have no evidence that spurs were better than Munich because they didn't play. All we can say for sure is that both are worse than Liverpool. Although for ranking purposes, a 3-1 loss to liverpool would place munich higher than spurs who had a 2 - 0 loss.
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No Spurs aren't as good in Europe as Liverpool, we are agreed. But they did reach the final.
True there is no evidence they are better than Munich because they didn't play them.
But it is also true that we cannot say Liverpool are better than the teams they didn't play. It is perfectly possible had you had to play City you may have lost, I don't say you would, because it is an unknown. Just like Spurs results are unknown against teams they didn't play.
You beat the teams in front of you and won the trophy.
Spurs beat the teams in front of them except you. So they are the second best team in Europe.
posted on 27/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Nope. All we know is spurs are not as good in europe as liverpool, because they played each other. We also know that Barcelona weren't as good because they got knocked out by liverpool.
We cab presume that Barcelona are better than spurs because the did better when they played. They were just unfortunate to come up against the best team in the semis rather than the final.
Similarly we have no evidence that spurs were better than Munich because they didn't play. All we can say for sure is that both are worse than Liverpool. Although for ranking purposes, a 3-1 loss to liverpool would place munich higher than spurs who had a 2 - 0 loss.
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No Spurs aren't as good in Europe as Liverpool, we are agreed. But they did reach the final.
True there is no evidence they are better than Munich because they didn't play them.
But it is also true that we cannot say Liverpool are better than the teams they didn't play. It is perfectly possible had you had to play City you may have lost, I don't say you would, because it is an unknown. Just like Spurs results are unknown against teams they didn't play.
You beat the teams in front of you and won the trophy.
Spurs beat the teams in front of them except you. So they are the second best team in Europe.
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Yeah it's fair enough. I was just creating hypothetical arguments because I find it interesting when you deal with unknowns.
You could equally say that Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Porto beat the teams in front of them except us, just like spurs. They just happened to he drawn against us sooner. Obviously this is all just speculation and doesn't actually matter, just interesting to think about.
Both competitions, league and cup, have their own way of determining the "best" team in that competition. Often neither actually determine an objectively best team, just a best team under that arbitrary rules they have adopted. This is why I find cliches like "the table never lies" to be odd. The table might not lie, but all it shows is who is doing the best by what the table measures. If it was decided that clean sheets was the new way to rank the teams in the league then the table would look different, but it still wouldn't "lie".
posted on 27/8/19
comment by Solf (U22225)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
Liverpool definitely are not the best team in Europe. Manchester City are.
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Hey wahl
posted on 28/8/19
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
posted on 28/8/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
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No
Both city and liverpool are head and shoulders above spurs
posted on 28/8/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
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Obviously not. We finished one point behind them in the league and won the CL. We're the best in Europe.
posted on 28/8/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 40 minutes ago
Neither Spurs or Liverppol should have got out of their groups, they both had an enormous amount of luck. City are head and shoulders above both teams.
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Most football matches contain luck. That's like saying City shouldn't have won the league because they had luck in doing so.
posted on 28/8/19
Wolves beat City in the Asia Cup final this season.
Liverpool
Wolves
City
Spurs are a joke, all 3 of the above teams thrashed them on their home ground last season.
posted on 28/8/19
comment by LoneWolf (U22026)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
Wolves beat City in the Asia Cup final this season.
Liverpool
Wolves
City
Spurs are a joke, all 3 of the above teams thrashed them on their home ground last season.
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Exactly. Wolves are the best team in Asia.
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