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posted on 26/8/19

Sandy, plenty of average teams don’t get to the CL final.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 26/8/19

Let's have a bit of realism. End of last season our league form was poor but we performed well in the CL and reached the final. You could argue that our league form suffered on account of our progression in the CL, as well as injuries.

Now it's a new season, and while we have just lost a game we are only 3 games in. It's premature to start suggesting this is the end of the road for the manager and team. Were we going to go a whole season unbeaten? No. We were always going to lose a match and even teams having fantastic seasons have lost matches at home they should have won before - erm Palace at City last season?

Really awful loss yesterday and we need to perform better but no need to panic about how we are doomed to fail this season as a result, or how we will carry on with relegation form. Kind of nonsense when you consider we already beat Villa and got a point at City.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 minutes ago
Let's have a bit of realism. End of last season our league form was poor but we performed well in the CL and reached the final. You could argue that our league form suffered on account of our progression in the CL, as well as injuries.

Now it's a new season, and while we have just lost a game we are only 3 games in. It's premature to start suggesting this is the end of the road for the manager and team. Were we going to go a whole season unbeaten? No. We were always going to lose a match and even teams having fantastic seasons have lost matches at home they should have won before - erm Palace at City last season?

Really awful loss yesterday and we need to perform better but no need to panic about how we are doomed to fail this season as a result, or how we will carry on with relegation form. Kind of nonsense when you consider we already beat Villa and got a point at City.
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Come on mate, the Villa game was as bad as yesterday, and only pulled out of the bag in the last 15 minutes, the City game should have been a cricket score, Spurs got so lucky in that one.

Four wins in six months tells the proper picture. Not that you are not entitled to a viewpoint, but I think you are way of the mark if you think Spurs are suddenly going to turn their awful Prem form around.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 36 minutes ago
Oh look, here comes the cavalry
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I take it you mean the Liverpool supporters. Strange lot they always seem to be concerned about Spurs.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 26/8/19

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 minutes ago
Let's have a bit of realism. End of last season our league form was poor but we performed well in the CL and reached the final. You could argue that our league form suffered on account of our progression in the CL, as well as injuries.

Now it's a new season, and while we have just lost a game we are only 3 games in. It's premature to start suggesting this is the end of the road for the manager and team. Were we going to go a whole season unbeaten? No. We were always going to lose a match and even teams having fantastic seasons have lost matches at home they should have won before - erm Palace at City last season?

Really awful loss yesterday and we need to perform better but no need to panic about how we are doomed to fail this season as a result, or how we will carry on with relegation form. Kind of nonsense when you consider we already beat Villa and got a point at City.
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Come on mate, the Villa game was as bad as yesterday, and only pulled out of the bag in the last 15 minutes, the City game should have been a cricket score, Spurs got so lucky in that one.

Four wins in six months tells the proper picture. Not that you are not entitled to a viewpoint, but I think you are way of the mark if you think Spurs are suddenly going to turn their awful Prem form around.
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If you were that concerned about our form why the prediction that we were comfortably going to beat Newcastle ahead of the game with a Kane hattrick on the cards?

I trust you'll be predicting draws and losses for a lot of our future fixtures?

posted on 26/8/19

If you do continue to struggle I think for the most part it's down to a lack of squad refreshment

That long period without signings left Spurs a bit stale (last years CL run and abysmal failings by rivals masked it). Spurs will still be there or there abouts in the top four race come May though

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 minutes ago
Let's have a bit of realism. End of last season our league form was poor but we performed well in the CL and reached the final. You could argue that our league form suffered on account of our progression in the CL, as well as injuries.

Now it's a new season, and while we have just lost a game we are only 3 games in. It's premature to start suggesting this is the end of the road for the manager and team. Were we going to go a whole season unbeaten? No. We were always going to lose a match and even teams having fantastic seasons have lost matches at home they should have won before - erm Palace at City last season?

Really awful loss yesterday and we need to perform better but no need to panic about how we are doomed to fail this season as a result, or how we will carry on with relegation form. Kind of nonsense when you consider we already beat Villa and got a point at City.
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Come on mate, the Villa game was as bad as yesterday, and only pulled out of the bag in the last 15 minutes, the City game should have been a cricket score, Spurs got so lucky in that one.

Four wins in six months tells the proper picture. Not that you are not entitled to a viewpoint, but I think you are way of the mark if you think Spurs are suddenly going to turn their awful Prem form around.
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If you were that concerned about our form why the prediction that we were comfortably going to beat Newcastle ahead of the game with a Kane hattrick on the cards?

I trust you'll be predicting draws and losses for a lot of our future fixtures?
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Beating one of the worse teams in the league should have been a given. If Spurs cannot beat them, then they aint winning many games this season. Newcastle got absolutely outplayed by Norwich in their last game.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 27 minutes ago
Let's have a bit of realism. End of last season our league form was poor but we performed well in the CL and reached the final. You could argue that our league form suffered on account of our progression in the CL, as well as injuries.

Now it's a new season, and while we have just lost a game we are only 3 games in. It's premature to start suggesting this is the end of the road for the manager and team. Were we going to go a whole season unbeaten? No. We were always going to lose a match and even teams having fantastic seasons have lost matches at home they should have won before - erm Palace at City last season?

Really awful loss yesterday and we need to perform better but no need to panic about how we are doomed to fail this season as a result, or how we will carry on with relegation form. Kind of nonsense when you consider we already beat Villa and got a point at City.
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Come on mate, the Villa game was as bad as yesterday, and only pulled out of the bag in the last 15 minutes, the City game should have been a cricket score, Spurs got so lucky in that one.

Four wins in six months tells the proper picture. Not that you are not entitled to a viewpoint, but I think you are way of the mark if you think Spurs are suddenly going to turn their awful Prem form around.
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If you were that concerned about our form why the prediction that we were comfortably going to beat Newcastle ahead of the game with a Kane hattrick on the cards?

I trust you'll be predicting draws and losses for a lot of our future fixtures?
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I will certainly be predicting a loss next week.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 32 minutes ago
If you do continue to struggle I think for the most part it's down to a lack of squad refreshment

That long period without signings left Spurs a bit stale (last years CL run and abysmal failings by rivals masked it). Spurs will still be there or there abouts in the top four race come May though
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Not a chance mate, not with the current personnel. You obviously haven`t been watching much of us last six months.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 32 minutes ago
If you do continue to struggle I think for the most part it's down to a lack of squad refreshment

That long period without signings left Spurs a bit stale (last years CL run and abysmal failings by rivals masked it). Spurs will still be there or there abouts in the top four race come May though
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Not a chance mate, not with the current personnel. You obviously haven`t been watching much of us last six months.
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Well I'm factoring in Arsenal, United and Chelsea who are going to struggle big time too!

I've watched all four sides and they all have big weaknesses.

I know you guys have been very poor but the consistency in results over the last 4 seasons from Spurs means they shouldn't be discounted even if recent performances leave A LOT to be desired.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 32 minutes ago
If you do continue to struggle I think for the most part it's down to a lack of squad refreshment

That long period without signings left Spurs a bit stale (last years CL run and abysmal failings by rivals masked it). Spurs will still be there or there abouts in the top four race come May though
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Not a chance mate, not with the current personnel. You obviously haven`t been watching much of us last six months.
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Well I'm factoring in Arsenal, United and Chelsea who are going to struggle big time too!

I've watched all four sides and they all have big weaknesses.

I know you guys have been very poor but the consistency in results over the last 4 seasons from Spurs means they shouldn't be discounted even if recent performances leave A LOT to be desired.
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The level of football Sprus were playing four years ago is light years away from what they are churning out today. They have progressively got worse over the four seasons performance wise.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 26/8/19

Only positive yesterday was lo celso looked like he could play a defence splitting pass to create openings that we lack. Only chance we had of scoring was from that penalty we didnt get given and he played the pass.

After we inevitably dont beat arsenal next week I'm sure things will pick up. Ndombele was missing and player ole him is vital, Dele wilk be back and as long as hes high up the pitch playing key passes he can make a big difference. Lo Celso will get games and the window will be shut so none of so called transfer distraction stuff.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 26/8/19

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 32 minutes ago
If you do continue to struggle I think for the most part it's down to a lack of squad refreshment

That long period without signings left Spurs a bit stale (last years CL run and abysmal failings by rivals masked it). Spurs will still be there or there abouts in the top four race come May though
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Not a chance mate, not with the current personnel. You obviously haven`t been watching much of us last six months.
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Well I'm factoring in Arsenal, United and Chelsea who are going to struggle big time too!

I've watched all four sides and they all have big weaknesses.

I know you guys have been very poor but the consistency in results over the last 4 seasons from Spurs means they shouldn't be discounted even if recent performances leave A LOT to be desired.
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The level of football Sprus were playing four years ago is light years away from what they are churning out today. They have progressively got worse over the four seasons performance wise.
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The change of stadium and the timing of it hasn't exactly helped our performances. I think that's fair to say. Unbeaten all season in our last year at the old ground, and the form and performances ever since has been more inconsistent.

It's another reason that the criticism of Poch is too harsh, having to deal with that as well.

posted on 26/8/19

Poch gets lavished and praised when we do well and rightly so. Our fans love him and he seems to love us. Whenever we do well then the fans sing his name.

I think it's fair that with the above said when the team don't play so well, he should rightly come under some criticism.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 26/8/19

It's one thing for him to get criticism but it's another for people to want him out of the club at the first sign of trouble this season.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 58 minutes ago
It's one thing for him to get criticism but it's another for people to want him out of the club at the first sign of trouble this season.
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I think its deeper entrenched in the club and been going on for much longer than this season, apart from the CL we were shocking most of last season, scrapped top 4 the rumblings of discontented players is now at a stage were it has to be addressed or this season is over and it all falls apart, quite serious

posted on 26/8/19

comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 5 hours, 43 minutes ago
Coaching is a mess with this possession booooooolocks.. Passing back to lloris from corners when losing games, sticking with this play out from the back when we lose it nearly every time when pressed high, poch is not flexible and has been found out to be average and his treatment of moura is unforgivable to not even go and chat with him as to why your dropping him from the final after he got us there... Poch is done I have no love left for him and even my love for spurs is finally on the wain after 41 yrs of loyal support I no longer enjoy football
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Haven't watched too many of your games but the first part of your comment sounds very similar to us under Rodgers towards the end. Went from some of the best football I've ever seen to some of the dullest, just aimlessly passing the ball hoping something would happen.

Poch has more chance of turning it around as he has a far better squad than Rodgers did, but it's never a good sign when that happens.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
Poch is done I have no love left for him and even my love for spurs is finally on the wain after 41 yrs of loyal support I no longer enjoy football
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The best Spurs have been in your lifetime (maybe except late 80s) is causing your love of Spurs to wain!
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I have also been a Spurs supporter for 40 odd years. We were on fire during the early 80's - won the FA Cup in 1981 and 1982 (again in 1991) and we won the UEFA Cup in 1984. So what are you talkimg about? And it was absolutely enjoyable to watch under Terry Venables, Ossie Ardiles, Harry Redknapp. At least we played with passion and energy back then.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 58 minutes ago
It's one thing for him to get criticism but it's another for people to want him out of the club at the first sign of trouble this season.
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I think its deeper entrenched in the club and been going on for much longer than this season, apart from the CL we were shocking most of last season, scrapped top 4 the rumblings of discontented players is now at a stage were it has to be addressed or this season is over and it all falls apart, quite serious
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It's a new season now and we should judge it as one, one in which he's finally had some new players in, but even then the window could have been handled better and there is uncertainty left over players and whether they are leaving or not.

3 games in is not nearly enough time to start getting the knives out. See where we are after a couple of months down the line.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
It's one thing for him to get criticism but it's another for people to want him out of the club at the first sign of trouble this season.
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Dude, we've run out of patience. Simple as. This is literally a "love-in". Towards a single man. We tend to forget, we support Spurs, not manager, chairman, whoever.

As a supporter of a club, we are not glory hunters, but we want to at least see the team give their all.

Legendary Bill Nicholson summed what Spurs was ALWAYS about when he said something a long the lines of:

"It is better to lose when playing with style that to win playing badly"

THIS is what Spurs were known for for decades! Today it is sickening to see where we are at now. Absolutely unacceptable.

posted on 26/8/19

Bill Nicholson said, 'It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.' it was listed as the 4th greatest managerial quote in the Daily Mail's List of the 'Top 50 Managerial Quotes'.

https://fampeople.com/cat-bill-nicholson-footballer

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Eighties Glory Years (U22086)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
Poch is done I have no love left for him and even my love for spurs is finally on the wain after 41 yrs of loyal support I no longer enjoy football
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The best Spurs have been in your lifetime (maybe except late 80s) is causing your love of Spurs to wain!
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I have also been a Spurs supporter for 40 odd years. We were on fire during the early 80's - won the FA Cup in 1981 and 1982 (again in 1991) and we won the UEFA Cup in 1984. So what are you talkimg about? And it was absolutely enjoyable to watch under Terry Venables, Ossie Ardiles, Harry Redknapp. At least we played with passion and energy back then.
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I have supported the club for over 60 years, but the football currently being played is some of the worse ever. Even the relegated team put up more fight.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Eighties Glory Years (U22086)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 hours, 40 minutes ago
Poch is done I have no love left for him and even my love for spurs is finally on the wain after 41 yrs of loyal support I no longer enjoy football
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The best Spurs have been in your lifetime (maybe except late 80s) is causing your love of Spurs to wain!
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I have also been a Spurs supporter for 40 odd years. We were on fire during the early 80's - won the FA Cup in 1981 and 1982 (again in 1991) and we won the UEFA Cup in 1984. So what are you talkimg about? And it was absolutely enjoyable to watch under Terry Venables, Ossie Ardiles, Harry Redknapp. At least we played with passion and energy back then.
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I have supported the club for over 60 years, but the football currently being played is some of the worse ever. Even the relegated team put up more fight.
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I know, my man. I know.

posted on 26/8/19

He needs to get the basics right, like picking his best available team, instead of leaving key players out in some lame attempt to prove a point. While we are paying their wages they should be selected in the starting XI.

posted on 26/8/19

comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 38 minutes ago
He needs to get the basics right, like picking his best available team, instead of leaving key players out in some lame attempt to prove a point. While we are paying their wages they should be selected in the starting XI.
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Problem with the manager is he thinks he is bigger than the club now, and he isn`t. He can easily be replaced, the club cannot. He needs to learn that. There is only so long Levy will put up with it. If as I suspect this will be our last CL campaign for a bit, he will then be outed.

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