Mad Mel possibly caught out? It is a loophole that should be closed. Everyone should play by the same rules.

No regulations have been breached and in English law, if the rules are changed retrospective legislation is not allowed. Why don't the EFL focus their attention on fit and proper owners.

comment by I'm not Spartacus, hope springs eternal (U4603)
posted 57 minutes ago
No regulations have been breached and in English law, if the rules are changed retrospective legislation is not allowed. Why don't the EFL focus their attention on fit and proper owners.
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Bielsa didn't breach any rules yet the club got a 200k fine. EFL are bent

Had Leeds challenged that in the courts they would have won the case easily. Bielsa for some reason decided to wear a hair shirt and pay it himself.

The guy who was in charge at Bolton had been banned from being a director, the police are called in at Bury to investigate fraud. The EFL is either bent or incompetent.

comment by I'm not Spartacus, hope springs eternal (U4603)

The EFL is either bent or incompetent.
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Probably both.

comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by I'm not Spartacus, hope springs eternal (U4603)

The EFL is either bent or incompetent.
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Probably both.
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They let Birmingham sign a player when under a transfer embargo ffs. Surely the EFL should have rejected the player's transfer paperwork?

Mel said he had the ground valued before he exploited the loophole. So if the EFL valuation is significantly different, who is to judge which is correct?

I would suggest that if the EFL attempted to sanction Derby then we would seek to test that in court.

I am not sure the EFL could do anything about this. Any company is allowed to sell an asset. What is the difference between selling your ground or selling a player. They might argue that a third party is not involved in this case but then owners of clubs abroad and in England transfer players between themselves.

Of course the EFL can do something about it, that's the whole point of the rules. Are you saying that every club could sell a lawnmower for £100m to get round the rules?

Cue Marinakis, Al Capone, Greek locals, blah, blah, blah

And you're right, there isn't any difference between selling the ground and a player but we wouldn't be allowed to sell a player to Olympiacos for £200m

I don't see why not, Forest sold Oliver Burke for a kings ransom so anything is possible. Dean want a take a bet with me that the EFL can't do anything.

to take

We didn't sell Burke to Olympiacos so it's not even remotely related

It's not the fact that Mel sold the ground, it's whether or not the price was inflated or not.

I used the Burke example to show that valuations are subjective and can be miles out. What is the value of a football ground? A lot to the club but without a club it is only worth what it can be changed in to. Thus you have to take off the cost of demolition from its value. The ground is worth a lot to Derby County but not that much to a property developer. Anyway an independent survey was carried out before the sale so why do the EFL have any problems.

FFS, I don't remember tagging this thread to the Notts Florest board.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

What Spart says is correct but...

Derby sold the ground for £80 million but are only committed to paying rent of £23 million

https://twitter.com/kieranmaguire/status/1169354766394318848?s=21

I always fort the value of something was what a person is willing to pay. In this case the geezers selling to imself. He's made a mockery of the E.F.L. And is actions border on extracting the urine. Opefully someting will come of dis investigation.

The irony of a QPR supporter complaining that someone made a mockery of the EFL.

Oh EFL you can't impose the sanctions on us despite us breaking FFP rules to get promotion. We can't afford to pay.

We've been investigated and been found guilty. We are paying off a large fine. Wot punishment as been given to you? Come on you know you broke the rules.

You didn't have to pay anywhere near the fine that should have been imposed according to the rules. Forest had to pay up their full fine, why not QPR. The fact that you couldn't afford to is no reason. Why are football authorities so lenient on London sides. Look at West Ham and playing ineligible players. Then look at how clubs like Swindon and Bury were treated.

"The fine that should ave been imposed"? Wot, now your a judge ? You broke the rules, simple, stop trying to weedle your way out.

What you paid was massively reduced from the original fine. It was QPR who cheated then weedled their way out of facing the consequences.

You seem to be straying from the point of the thread. It's about the devious manipulation of the rules by Derby County. I don't see ow West Ham, Swindon or Bury ave anything to do wiv it.