comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
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There's about a messi sized gap between barca and a mid table la Liga side at the minute tbh
He carries such a ridiculous load
Terry had the likes of Makelele and Essien in front of him to go with a defensive minded manager and defensive style of play.
Also, Chelsea had a great attack so the argument they were defensive because their attack was inferior to ours is poor.
Chelsea were better than all the league but still played a boring defensive style even against the smaller teams not just the big teams.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
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It’s their worst team in over a decade. What u struggling to understand?
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Terry had the likes of Makelele and Essien in front of him to go with a defensive minded manager and defensive style of play.
Also, Chelsea had a great attack so the argument they were defensive because their attack was inferior to ours is poor.
Chelsea were better than all the league but still played a boring defensive style even against the smaller teams not just the big teams.
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Whatever helps u sleep at night bro
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 5 hours, 36 minutes ago
He should win it.
For a defender to play against the likes of Hazard, Aguero, Sterling, Mbappe, Neymar, Lewandowski, Suarez and Messi and not be taken on once is a stat that is unheard of.
Capped off that miracle stay with a Champions League win.
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Ah the old myth stat.
VVD is definitely better than Terry though.
Terry was in his pomp when the financial doping at Chelsea was at its most rampant. He had a lot of help from top class teammates and oil money.
VVD is class but he’s in the same bracket as the lies of Terry, not above
He’s not doing anything no other centre backs have done in the past, he’s just one of the best around in the present.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
VVD is the Messi/Ronaldo of defence.
No one is the something of anything
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
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compelling argument.plot gets thicker.
I think van dijk wins it at the same level as modric wins it, but nobody is under any illusions that Messi and Ronaldo are still far better footballers, their status and names are wider reaching than van Dijk.
And this thing of trying to pull out 2 games in which messi didnt perform and make it seem like scoring 50 goals is an easy thing is nonsense.
The fact that a nearly 30 year old messi can still out score and out assist his younger peers is testament to how far ahead he is as a footballer and the standards he has set.
If this was a 30 year old ryan giggs with 25 goals the british media will be screaming for him to win POTY.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
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It’s their worst team in over a decade. What u struggling to understand?
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still set up to help messi score goals. their worst team in a decade isn't a weak team. you struggling?
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
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compelling argument.plot gets thicker.
I think van dijk wins it at the same level as modric wins it, but nobody is under any illusions that Messi and Ronaldo are still far better footballers, their status and names are wider reaching than van Dijk.
And this thing of trying to pull out 2 games in which messi didnt perform and make it seem like scoring 50 goals is an easy thing is nonsense.
The fact that a nearly 30 year old messi can still out score and out assist his younger peers is testament to how far ahead he is as a footballer and the standards he has set.
If this was a 30 year old ryan giggs with 25 goals the british media will be screaming for him to win POTY.
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Is this 2015? Nearly 30?
Obviously Messi and Ronaldo are better footballers in their positions.
But would be utter gash in VVDs position.😀
Think Virgil is a shoe in for the award, and it will be fully deserved.
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
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compelling argument.plot gets thicker.
I think van dijk wins it at the same level as modric wins it, but nobody is under any illusions that Messi and Ronaldo are still far better footballers, their status and names are wider reaching than van Dijk.
And this thing of trying to pull out 2 games in which messi didnt perform and make it seem like scoring 50 goals is an easy thing is nonsense.
The fact that a nearly 30 year old messi can still out score and out assist his younger peers is testament to how far ahead he is as a footballer and the standards he has set.
If this was a 30 year old ryan giggs with 25 goals the british media will be screaming for him to win POTY.
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Messi has just done it for such a long period of time people just expect it from him. That shouldn’t take away from how freakish his stats are.
VVD is brilliant, but he also had arguably the best fullbacks and goalkeeper in Europe in defence alongside him last season.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 14 minutes ago
Obviously Messi and Ronaldo are better footballers in their positions.
But would be utter gash in VVDs position.😀
Think Virgil is a shoe in for the award, and it will be fully deserved.
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It would be fully undeserved. Messi deserves to win it.
Yeah Messi has scored a lot of goals.
I dont think it would be any great surprise to see VVD win it though. He's won every other individual award he's been up for this year and if you know your football you can look past numbers.
It has nothing to do with knowing football, Messi has once again been the best player in the world. Just because you're bored of Messi scoring 50 goals every season, doesn't mean its still not damn impressive.
Right, firstly Im not bored of Messi scoring 50 goals, secondly I do think its impressive, thirdly youve completely missed the point which neans actually, yeah I think it does have a lot to do with knowing your football if you cant understand why VVD may win it.
What are you talking about? We're talking about who deserves to win and VVD categorically does not deserve to win it. That's all there is to it. He absolutely should not win it.
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posted on 6/9/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
posted on 6/9/19
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
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There's about a messi sized gap between barca and a mid table la Liga side at the minute tbh
He carries such a ridiculous load
posted on 6/9/19
Van Dijk is the Gaot
posted on 6/9/19
Terry had the likes of Makelele and Essien in front of him to go with a defensive minded manager and defensive style of play.
Also, Chelsea had a great attack so the argument they were defensive because their attack was inferior to ours is poor.
Chelsea were better than all the league but still played a boring defensive style even against the smaller teams not just the big teams.
posted on 6/9/19
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
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It’s their worst team in over a decade. What u struggling to understand?
posted on 6/9/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Terry had the likes of Makelele and Essien in front of him to go with a defensive minded manager and defensive style of play.
Also, Chelsea had a great attack so the argument they were defensive because their attack was inferior to ours is poor.
Chelsea were better than all the league but still played a boring defensive style even against the smaller teams not just the big teams.
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Whatever helps u sleep at night bro
posted on 6/9/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 5 hours, 36 minutes ago
He should win it.
For a defender to play against the likes of Hazard, Aguero, Sterling, Mbappe, Neymar, Lewandowski, Suarez and Messi and not be taken on once is a stat that is unheard of.
Capped off that miracle stay with a Champions League win.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah the old myth stat.
posted on 7/9/19
VVD is definitely better than Terry though.
Terry was in his pomp when the financial doping at Chelsea was at its most rampant. He had a lot of help from top class teammates and oil money.
posted on 7/9/19
Whatever helps you sleep
posted on 7/9/19
VVD is class but he’s in the same bracket as the lies of Terry, not above
He’s not doing anything no other centre backs have done in the past, he’s just one of the best around in the present.
posted on 7/9/19
Pride
posted on 7/9/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
posted on 7/9/19
VVD is the Messi/Ronaldo of defence.
posted on 7/9/19
No one is the something of anything
posted on 7/9/19
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
posted on 7/9/19
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
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compelling argument.plot gets thicker.
I think van dijk wins it at the same level as modric wins it, but nobody is under any illusions that Messi and Ronaldo are still far better footballers, their status and names are wider reaching than van Dijk.
And this thing of trying to pull out 2 games in which messi didnt perform and make it seem like scoring 50 goals is an easy thing is nonsense.
The fact that a nearly 30 year old messi can still out score and out assist his younger peers is testament to how far ahead he is as a footballer and the standards he has set.
If this was a 30 year old ryan giggs with 25 goals the british media will be screaming for him to win POTY.
posted on 7/9/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Having said that, and he's been impressive. I just can't look past messi for Ballon d'or.
36 goals and 13 assists in 29 starts last season in a crap barca teamguys a joke.
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you would think he played for stoke ffs.
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Why?
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a crap barca team. hardly.
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It’s their worst team in over a decade. What u struggling to understand?
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still set up to help messi score goals. their worst team in a decade isn't a weak team. you struggling?
posted on 7/9/19
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
compelling argument.plot gets thicker.
I think van dijk wins it at the same level as modric wins it, but nobody is under any illusions that Messi and Ronaldo are still far better footballers, their status and names are wider reaching than van Dijk.
And this thing of trying to pull out 2 games in which messi didnt perform and make it seem like scoring 50 goals is an easy thing is nonsense.
The fact that a nearly 30 year old messi can still out score and out assist his younger peers is testament to how far ahead he is as a footballer and the standards he has set.
If this was a 30 year old ryan giggs with 25 goals the british media will be screaming for him to win POTY.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this 2015? Nearly 30?
posted on 7/9/19
Obviously Messi and Ronaldo are better footballers in their positions.
But would be utter gash in VVDs position.😀
Think Virgil is a shoe in for the award, and it will be fully deserved.
posted on 7/9/19
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Gaffer Pranks 100k Baby (U6283)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Pride
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Just out of curiosity how many times did Terry get to the final 3 of this vote
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Terry was around in an era when there were a lot more world class centre backs. VVD stands out more as he’s not got as much competition.
Like I keep saying, that doesn’t take anything away from how good VVD is.
Is VVD doing something no other centre back has ever done? No.
Are Messi and Ronaldo doing things no other player has ever done, let alone wide forward? Yes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
compelling argument.plot gets thicker.
I think van dijk wins it at the same level as modric wins it, but nobody is under any illusions that Messi and Ronaldo are still far better footballers, their status and names are wider reaching than van Dijk.
And this thing of trying to pull out 2 games in which messi didnt perform and make it seem like scoring 50 goals is an easy thing is nonsense.
The fact that a nearly 30 year old messi can still out score and out assist his younger peers is testament to how far ahead he is as a footballer and the standards he has set.
If this was a 30 year old ryan giggs with 25 goals the british media will be screaming for him to win POTY.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Messi has just done it for such a long period of time people just expect it from him. That shouldn’t take away from how freakish his stats are.
VVD is brilliant, but he also had arguably the best fullbacks and goalkeeper in Europe in defence alongside him last season.
posted on 7/9/19
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 14 minutes ago
Obviously Messi and Ronaldo are better footballers in their positions.
But would be utter gash in VVDs position.😀
Think Virgil is a shoe in for the award, and it will be fully deserved.
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It would be fully undeserved. Messi deserves to win it.
posted on 7/9/19
Yeah Messi has scored a lot of goals.
I dont think it would be any great surprise to see VVD win it though. He's won every other individual award he's been up for this year and if you know your football you can look past numbers.
posted on 7/9/19
It has nothing to do with knowing football, Messi has once again been the best player in the world. Just because you're bored of Messi scoring 50 goals every season, doesn't mean its still not damn impressive.
posted on 7/9/19
Right, firstly Im not bored of Messi scoring 50 goals, secondly I do think its impressive, thirdly youve completely missed the point which neans actually, yeah I think it does have a lot to do with knowing your football if you cant understand why VVD may win it.
posted on 7/9/19
What are you talking about? We're talking about who deserves to win and VVD categorically does not deserve to win it. That's all there is to it. He absolutely should not win it.
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