VC, honest question: can you tell me ONE thing that HM Government will be able to do / change after a no deal Brexit, (which it can't do currently due to EU rules), that will IMPROVE the lives of "normal" men, women & children please?
Also, can you explain why my 24 year old engineering business, which relies on Capex projects, (i.e. investment in new machinery) is currently seeing revenues 90% down from the norms of the last 10 years in Q2 & Q3 this year? This is completely unprecedented over a period of more than one month never mind six months? Note my VAT payments and corporation tax payments to HMRC will also be reduced by a similar amount - that won't pay for many "new" coppers.
If we go out with no deal, that will just be the start of a protracted negotiation settling thousands of import issues - Not the end of it all and the clan break many are craving. These discussions will be undertaken in an atmosphere of very bad blood with recriminations over many issues. They will go on for decades.
And, if Boris thinks he can get away without paying the £39bn he is as wrong on this as on all the other things he has screwed up over the years. Imagine the atmosphere of these inevitable further negotiations with the EU.
It make you wonder how Australia and New Zealand get along so well.
You lot can say what you want but Boris is trying to carry out the wishes of the majority. I have noticed that the left have been using the term liar a lot recently. Boris promised he would get us out of the EU by October 31st and is doing that. The liars around are the MPs who said they would honour the result, both Labour and some Conservatives. Corbyn has been a leaver as long as he has been an MP, now he has been blackmailed into becoming a remainer by Sir Keir.
For Rameses to say that Boris would do more damage to this country than Hitler is the most ludicrous thing I have ever read. How many of our population do you think Boris wants to kill? If Hitler had won the war we wouldn't be discussing things like this, we would be sent to camps like Belsen.
Scouse, if we stay in the EU we will have to take all our rules and laws from Brussels and they want to have an EU army! If the proverbial hit the fan I'd rather fight along side a Yank than an Italian or Frenchman thank you.
I can't tell you why your business is doing badly, but I can tell you that my son's engineering business is doing well and even though he exports to Europe he isn't worried about us leaving the EU.
When we leave we can set out own VAT rates, this would help women with their sanitary products and we could cut VAT on fuels.
I don't know why folk are so worried about us leaving, it will be like the millennial bug where planes were supposed to fall out of the sky and all the computers would crash. A month or so after leaving people would wonder what all the fuss was about.
I voted in 1975 to stay in the Common Market. I am all for free trade and if they had continued in this way I would support it. But I do not want to be part of a United State of Europe and ruled by undemocratic people such as that Van Leyton woman. I want to be able to vote for our leaders and be able to vote them out. I see Corbyn isn't too keen on a vote after wanting one for years, is he frit?
Cognitive dissonance again VC10. Keep convincing yourself.
Corbyn is a leaver but does not want to leave under terms which would destroy jobs, erode the protection of employees, erode our food safety laws, erode environmental legislation and threaten the NHS. Mogg, Farage and de Pfeffel see such laws as impediments to them becoming more wealthy.
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
Rameses you were saying Boris would do more damage to the country than Hitler would have done. This is so ridiculous that it is difficult to comprehend. All Boris is doing is following the voter's wishes. I am not falling into any traps, Boris is a social liberal.
Spart, Boris is no more of a liar than May, Blair, Brown and many others. The money will come from not paying into the EU and cancelling HS2.
The 17.4 million voted to leave, that was the question. Deals should have already been done but May and Hammond never wanted or intended to leave, they lied. Deals will be done, do you think MB,BMW Miele, Bosch and many others won't want to sell their products to us? The reason the EU are being difficult is to deter other countries from leaving. I wonder what the populations of Greece, Italy, Portugal would vote.
The EU is a corrupt undemocratic monolith which will fail just like the USSR did, we are better out before the whole lot falls down.
UTR!
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The only correct sentence in the above is "The reason the EU are being difficult is to deter other countries from leaving." That is surely true and it should have been obvious from the very beginning. It should have informed any responsible government that leaving the EU would be a very bad idea.
And it has proved to be so. Leaving the EU, after such a long and intimate entanglement, is proving to be impossible. Any responsible leader would have realised this from the start. Cameron did realise it and got out leaving a totally inadequate politician to shovel the crap. Like any other person would have been, she proved to be utterly incapable. The problem is politicians are using this crisis situation to further their own leadership ambitions regardless of the effect on future generations. At the time, Boris did not know which side to campaign for. And when he won he did not have a clue as to what to do. He could just as easily have supported the remain campaign if he had deemed his personal career chances would have been better. The same is true of Gove and Farage
It is Britain's great misfortune that, at a time of dire crisis we have a cohort of weak and incapable political leaders. Unlike the last time (WW2) when the world had great leaders like Churchill, Roosevelt, Morrison, Bevin etc.
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 9 minutes ago
Scouse, if we stay in the EU we will have to take all our rules and laws from Brussels and they want to have an EU army! If the proverbial hit the fan I'd rather fight along side a Yank than an Italian or Frenchman thank you.
I can't tell you why your business is doing badly, but I can tell you that my son's engineering business is doing well and even though he exports to Europe he isn't worried about us leaving the EU.
When we leave we can set out own VAT rates, this would help women with their sanitary products and we could cut VAT on fuels.
I don't know why folk are so worried about us leaving, it will be like the millennial bug where planes were supposed to fall out of the sky and all the computers would crash. A month or so after leaving people would wonder what all the fuss was about.
I voted in 1975 to stay in the Common Market. I am all for free trade and if they had continued in this way I would support it. But I do not want to be part of a United State of Europe and ruled by undemocratic people such as that Van Leyton woman. I want to be able to vote for our leaders and be able to vote them out. I see Corbyn isn't too keen on a vote after wanting one for years, is he frit?
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VC 10 I respect you greatly but we are definitely ruled by a man who is completely undemocratic and lawbreaking. Shutting down parliament is no way to be democratic. The referendum was flawed and the campaigns were dishonest and obfuscatory. They anted no light to be shed on the important effects of leaving. And as for Boris's bus - what a huge lie that has proved to be.
VC. Clearly you are comfortable with the break up of the union to achieve your new Utopia.
The only body capable of making law in Europe is the European Parliament no other. Guess what. They are all elected. So it’s democracy at work. There is Court the test the law. We have a judge who sits on that and lawyers who argue the cases.
But Farage Mogg Johnson would have you believe we are ruled by unelected bureaucrats. Complete and utter boIlocks.
This country has benefited immensely from its time in Europe.
France has been good enough to allow us to have our customs in their country stopping many thousands of illegals coming into the UK. When we leave then France will no longer be obliged to do that which will move the border to England with thousands of unchecked lorries arriving everyday.
There is no need for Brexit.There is no upside and certainly none worth the havoc leaving will create.
Scouse asked you to make your argument for leaving. I’ve not seen you make it. In fact I’ve not seen anyone make one coherent enough to justify the upheaval and subsequent break up of our country.
I’ll ask you again.
Is brexit worth it?
Rameses I do not want to break up the UK, if the Scots have any sense they will stay with us.
Ursula Van Leydon was the only name on the voting paper which the public were not allowed to vote on. Like it used to be in the USSR and Cuba and Zimbabwe and North Korea.
Tony Benn was against the EU, he wanted to be able to vote them in and vote them out, hardly a Tory old Wedgie.
If this country is so badly governed why are so many wanting to escape France, risk their lives and come here?
The unemployment figures are low, we have got some growth in the economy, this country is doing well because we are not in the Euro, which has ruined many Southern European countries.
I don't think we have benefitted much from being in the EU. Before we joined we made our own ships, cars, lorries and busses. Our fishermen did better when we could fish in our own waters.
Obviously we are not going to agree with each other on this, little Tommy is another matter, but the fact is that parliament agreed to have a referendum and agreed to go with the majority. They have gone back on their word and are going against the wishes of the majority of the voters.
I'll say again, I and many others think the country will do better outside the EU monolith. But I don't think the powers that be will allow it and I never thought we would actually leave.
>>>The only correct sentence in the above is "The reason the EU are being difficult is to deter other countries from leaving." That is surely true and it should have been obvious from the very beginning. It should have informed any responsible government that leaving the EU would be a very bad idea.
Ramdini that last sentence is exactly why I want to leave, it sounds like trying to escape from prison.
Thank you for your kind words, but I don't really think Boris has had much of a chance to see what he can do. Useless May cocked up the election and left him without a proper majority. I feel the same about Corbyn and McDonnell as you do about Boris, we will just have to disagree on politics and agree on football.
Nice to have you back, have you been on your holidays?
I'm still waiting for an answer VC.
I've already told you that if we leave we can set VAT rates so women can buy their Tampax free of VAT.
Our fishermen can get back to work.
Our shipbuilding can start up again when we don't have to tender to the EU.
There are hundreds of EU rules that we could keep or change.
There are many millions of £s we send to the EU so they can waste it moving their parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg and back every month.
We can be free men and women away from the communist style EU way of keeping us down.
Corbyn and Benn have always been anti EU, their only plus points.
I've had 4 bottles of beer, from the Czech Republic! Hope we can still get it if we leave. So I had better leave politics till Emily Maitless comes on at 10-30, if I'm still awake.
Is this a reasonable answer Scouse?
You really believe what you just typed VC10? You have been reading too much Daily Mail.
DCCC having bit of an off-day at Old Trafford!
They went from 110-5 to 129 all out and got hammered by and innings and 45 runs. Some of our lads should get picked for England on that form?
You should read to the superficial codswallop you’re spouting VC.
Free men? WTF?
Keeping us down etc. You really have swallowed Farages crap hook line and sinker.
I’ve tried to give you a break but you’re fully invested in it.
You’ve made it clear that in your vision the rest of the country can come with you or lump it.
As Scouse has asked where the fook are we going that’s so fantastic to warrant all this change. Nothing you have said is in anyway compelling in fact it’s frighening.
No one other than a portion white English people are engaged with this view and that in no way is representative of the United Kingdom. A party elected with that mandate means a lot of disenfranchised people. I just hope enough tories will turn away from Johnson to make up for the labour voters who have also swallowed the bait.
You and your kind are a danger to our country and I hope to god your ideology doesn’t win out.
I can understand stupid people voting brexit because they haven’t grasped the complex arguments but you clearly arn’t thick which makes you something else entirely.
I’m done wasting my time on you.
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
I've already told you that if we leave we can set VAT rates so women can buy their Tampax free of VAT.
Our fishermen can get back to work.
Our shipbuilding can start up again when we don't have to tender to the EU.
There are hundreds of EU rules that we could keep or change.
There are many millions of £s we send to the EU so they can waste it moving their parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg and back every month.
We can be free men and women away from the communist style EU way of keeping us down.
Corbyn and Benn have always been anti EU, their only plus points.
I've had 4 bottles of beer, from the Czech Republic! Hope we can still get it if we leave. So I had better leave politics till Emily Maitless comes on at 10-30, if I'm still awake.
Is this a reasonable answer Scouse?
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Honestly VC, I genuinely thought that despite your right leaning views, you would certainly have the intelligence not to spout the drivel ( in my opinion) that you do about the EU. Unless you're deliberately playing the D adovocate?
I still respect you though but not the utterings of the Daily Mail
Calm down, calm down. Sorry that should be Scouse's line.
Oh, and remember 'every racist in the UK voted for Brexit'
See de Pfeffel is cosying up to neonazi Viktor Orban to veto any attempts to allow an extension of Brexit so we will have to leave on the 31st Oct with or without a deal. What was Rameses saying about de Pfeffel and Hitler?
Rameses after your remarks about Hitler it is rather rich to be calling me names. Calling me and my kind racist is a cretinous comment, I have not put any racist comments on this or any other site, because I am not racist.
This is typical of someone who has lost the argument, you are a mardy baby and cannot take defeat, so you spout about Hitler and calling people racist. You should try and grow up. Posters on this site can disagree, but we usually remain polite. You have overstepped the line and I feel insulted.
I and 17.4 million voted to leave, I would vote leave again. I want sovereignty for my country, it is nothing to do with not liking foreigners, I love going abroad.
comment by I'm not Spartacus, hope springs eternal (U4603)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
See de Pfeffel is cosying up to neonazi Viktor Orban to veto any attempts to allow an extension of Brexit so we will have to leave on the 31st Oct with or without a deal. What was Rameses saying about de Pfeffel and Hitler?
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Don't you bloody start with that drivel, you know it is not remotely true. We should have left on March 31st and things would be looking up. If May hadn't have been so useless we would have had a decent deal, she had 3 years.
Since your heroes Corbyn and Benn were so anti EU, when did you change your mind about Brexit?
View, my response to Scouse's question was supposed to be light hearted.
By the way, how do you know what every racist voted for? Was it in the Guardian?
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 11 hours, 29 minutes ago
View, my response to Scouse's question was supposed to be light hearted.
By the way, how do you know what every racist voted for? Was it in the Guardian?
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No, indeed not, but show me a racist who voted for 'remain'?
I don't think I meet as many racists as you, so I can't comment.
I'm sorry how this thread has gone, I don't want to fall out with other posters and try not to comment on politics. But Rameses' remark got me going.
Sign in if you want to comment
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posted on 12/9/19
VC, honest question: can you tell me ONE thing that HM Government will be able to do / change after a no deal Brexit, (which it can't do currently due to EU rules), that will IMPROVE the lives of "normal" men, women & children please?
Also, can you explain why my 24 year old engineering business, which relies on Capex projects, (i.e. investment in new machinery) is currently seeing revenues 90% down from the norms of the last 10 years in Q2 & Q3 this year? This is completely unprecedented over a period of more than one month never mind six months? Note my VAT payments and corporation tax payments to HMRC will also be reduced by a similar amount - that won't pay for many "new" coppers.
posted on 12/9/19
If we go out with no deal, that will just be the start of a protracted negotiation settling thousands of import issues - Not the end of it all and the clan break many are craving. These discussions will be undertaken in an atmosphere of very bad blood with recriminations over many issues. They will go on for decades.
And, if Boris thinks he can get away without paying the £39bn he is as wrong on this as on all the other things he has screwed up over the years. Imagine the atmosphere of these inevitable further negotiations with the EU.
posted on 12/9/19
It make you wonder how Australia and New Zealand get along so well.
You lot can say what you want but Boris is trying to carry out the wishes of the majority. I have noticed that the left have been using the term liar a lot recently. Boris promised he would get us out of the EU by October 31st and is doing that. The liars around are the MPs who said they would honour the result, both Labour and some Conservatives. Corbyn has been a leaver as long as he has been an MP, now he has been blackmailed into becoming a remainer by Sir Keir.
For Rameses to say that Boris would do more damage to this country than Hitler is the most ludicrous thing I have ever read. How many of our population do you think Boris wants to kill? If Hitler had won the war we wouldn't be discussing things like this, we would be sent to camps like Belsen.
posted on 12/9/19
Scouse, if we stay in the EU we will have to take all our rules and laws from Brussels and they want to have an EU army! If the proverbial hit the fan I'd rather fight along side a Yank than an Italian or Frenchman thank you.
I can't tell you why your business is doing badly, but I can tell you that my son's engineering business is doing well and even though he exports to Europe he isn't worried about us leaving the EU.
When we leave we can set out own VAT rates, this would help women with their sanitary products and we could cut VAT on fuels.
I don't know why folk are so worried about us leaving, it will be like the millennial bug where planes were supposed to fall out of the sky and all the computers would crash. A month or so after leaving people would wonder what all the fuss was about.
I voted in 1975 to stay in the Common Market. I am all for free trade and if they had continued in this way I would support it. But I do not want to be part of a United State of Europe and ruled by undemocratic people such as that Van Leyton woman. I want to be able to vote for our leaders and be able to vote them out. I see Corbyn isn't too keen on a vote after wanting one for years, is he frit?
posted on 12/9/19
Cognitive dissonance again VC10. Keep convincing yourself.
Corbyn is a leaver but does not want to leave under terms which would destroy jobs, erode the protection of employees, erode our food safety laws, erode environmental legislation and threaten the NHS. Mogg, Farage and de Pfeffel see such laws as impediments to them becoming more wealthy.
posted on 12/9/19
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
Rameses you were saying Boris would do more damage to the country than Hitler would have done. This is so ridiculous that it is difficult to comprehend. All Boris is doing is following the voter's wishes. I am not falling into any traps, Boris is a social liberal.
Spart, Boris is no more of a liar than May, Blair, Brown and many others. The money will come from not paying into the EU and cancelling HS2.
The 17.4 million voted to leave, that was the question. Deals should have already been done but May and Hammond never wanted or intended to leave, they lied. Deals will be done, do you think MB,BMW Miele, Bosch and many others won't want to sell their products to us? The reason the EU are being difficult is to deter other countries from leaving. I wonder what the populations of Greece, Italy, Portugal would vote.
The EU is a corrupt undemocratic monolith which will fail just like the USSR did, we are better out before the whole lot falls down.
UTR!
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The only correct sentence in the above is "The reason the EU are being difficult is to deter other countries from leaving." That is surely true and it should have been obvious from the very beginning. It should have informed any responsible government that leaving the EU would be a very bad idea.
And it has proved to be so. Leaving the EU, after such a long and intimate entanglement, is proving to be impossible. Any responsible leader would have realised this from the start. Cameron did realise it and got out leaving a totally inadequate politician to shovel the crap. Like any other person would have been, she proved to be utterly incapable. The problem is politicians are using this crisis situation to further their own leadership ambitions regardless of the effect on future generations. At the time, Boris did not know which side to campaign for. And when he won he did not have a clue as to what to do. He could just as easily have supported the remain campaign if he had deemed his personal career chances would have been better. The same is true of Gove and Farage
It is Britain's great misfortune that, at a time of dire crisis we have a cohort of weak and incapable political leaders. Unlike the last time (WW2) when the world had great leaders like Churchill, Roosevelt, Morrison, Bevin etc.
posted on 12/9/19
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 9 minutes ago
Scouse, if we stay in the EU we will have to take all our rules and laws from Brussels and they want to have an EU army! If the proverbial hit the fan I'd rather fight along side a Yank than an Italian or Frenchman thank you.
I can't tell you why your business is doing badly, but I can tell you that my son's engineering business is doing well and even though he exports to Europe he isn't worried about us leaving the EU.
When we leave we can set out own VAT rates, this would help women with their sanitary products and we could cut VAT on fuels.
I don't know why folk are so worried about us leaving, it will be like the millennial bug where planes were supposed to fall out of the sky and all the computers would crash. A month or so after leaving people would wonder what all the fuss was about.
I voted in 1975 to stay in the Common Market. I am all for free trade and if they had continued in this way I would support it. But I do not want to be part of a United State of Europe and ruled by undemocratic people such as that Van Leyton woman. I want to be able to vote for our leaders and be able to vote them out. I see Corbyn isn't too keen on a vote after wanting one for years, is he frit?
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VC 10 I respect you greatly but we are definitely ruled by a man who is completely undemocratic and lawbreaking. Shutting down parliament is no way to be democratic. The referendum was flawed and the campaigns were dishonest and obfuscatory. They anted no light to be shed on the important effects of leaving. And as for Boris's bus - what a huge lie that has proved to be.
posted on 12/9/19
VC. Clearly you are comfortable with the break up of the union to achieve your new Utopia.
The only body capable of making law in Europe is the European Parliament no other. Guess what. They are all elected. So it’s democracy at work. There is Court the test the law. We have a judge who sits on that and lawyers who argue the cases.
But Farage Mogg Johnson would have you believe we are ruled by unelected bureaucrats. Complete and utter boIlocks.
This country has benefited immensely from its time in Europe.
France has been good enough to allow us to have our customs in their country stopping many thousands of illegals coming into the UK. When we leave then France will no longer be obliged to do that which will move the border to England with thousands of unchecked lorries arriving everyday.
There is no need for Brexit.There is no upside and certainly none worth the havoc leaving will create.
Scouse asked you to make your argument for leaving. I’ve not seen you make it. In fact I’ve not seen anyone make one coherent enough to justify the upheaval and subsequent break up of our country.
I’ll ask you again.
Is brexit worth it?
posted on 12/9/19
Rameses I do not want to break up the UK, if the Scots have any sense they will stay with us.
Ursula Van Leydon was the only name on the voting paper which the public were not allowed to vote on. Like it used to be in the USSR and Cuba and Zimbabwe and North Korea.
Tony Benn was against the EU, he wanted to be able to vote them in and vote them out, hardly a Tory old Wedgie.
If this country is so badly governed why are so many wanting to escape France, risk their lives and come here?
The unemployment figures are low, we have got some growth in the economy, this country is doing well because we are not in the Euro, which has ruined many Southern European countries.
I don't think we have benefitted much from being in the EU. Before we joined we made our own ships, cars, lorries and busses. Our fishermen did better when we could fish in our own waters.
Obviously we are not going to agree with each other on this, little Tommy is another matter, but the fact is that parliament agreed to have a referendum and agreed to go with the majority. They have gone back on their word and are going against the wishes of the majority of the voters.
I'll say again, I and many others think the country will do better outside the EU monolith. But I don't think the powers that be will allow it and I never thought we would actually leave.
posted on 12/9/19
>>>The only correct sentence in the above is "The reason the EU are being difficult is to deter other countries from leaving." That is surely true and it should have been obvious from the very beginning. It should have informed any responsible government that leaving the EU would be a very bad idea.
Ramdini that last sentence is exactly why I want to leave, it sounds like trying to escape from prison.
Thank you for your kind words, but I don't really think Boris has had much of a chance to see what he can do. Useless May cocked up the election and left him without a proper majority. I feel the same about Corbyn and McDonnell as you do about Boris, we will just have to disagree on politics and agree on football.
Nice to have you back, have you been on your holidays?
posted on 12/9/19
Bogle is still out FFS.
posted on 12/9/19
I'm still waiting for an answer VC.
posted on 12/9/19
I've already told you that if we leave we can set VAT rates so women can buy their Tampax free of VAT.
Our fishermen can get back to work.
Our shipbuilding can start up again when we don't have to tender to the EU.
There are hundreds of EU rules that we could keep or change.
There are many millions of £s we send to the EU so they can waste it moving their parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg and back every month.
We can be free men and women away from the communist style EU way of keeping us down.
Corbyn and Benn have always been anti EU, their only plus points.
I've had 4 bottles of beer, from the Czech Republic! Hope we can still get it if we leave. So I had better leave politics till Emily Maitless comes on at 10-30, if I'm still awake.
Is this a reasonable answer Scouse?
posted on 12/9/19
You really believe what you just typed VC10? You have been reading too much Daily Mail.
posted on 12/9/19
DCCC having bit of an off-day at Old Trafford!
They went from 110-5 to 129 all out and got hammered by and innings and 45 runs. Some of our lads should get picked for England on that form?
posted on 12/9/19
You should read to the superficial codswallop you’re spouting VC.
Free men? WTF?
Keeping us down etc. You really have swallowed Farages crap hook line and sinker.
I’ve tried to give you a break but you’re fully invested in it.
You’ve made it clear that in your vision the rest of the country can come with you or lump it.
As Scouse has asked where the fook are we going that’s so fantastic to warrant all this change. Nothing you have said is in anyway compelling in fact it’s frighening.
No one other than a portion white English people are engaged with this view and that in no way is representative of the United Kingdom. A party elected with that mandate means a lot of disenfranchised people. I just hope enough tories will turn away from Johnson to make up for the labour voters who have also swallowed the bait.
You and your kind are a danger to our country and I hope to god your ideology doesn’t win out.
I can understand stupid people voting brexit because they haven’t grasped the complex arguments but you clearly arn’t thick which makes you something else entirely.
I’m done wasting my time on you.
posted on 12/9/19
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
I've already told you that if we leave we can set VAT rates so women can buy their Tampax free of VAT.
Our fishermen can get back to work.
Our shipbuilding can start up again when we don't have to tender to the EU.
There are hundreds of EU rules that we could keep or change.
There are many millions of £s we send to the EU so they can waste it moving their parliament from Brussels to Strasbourg and back every month.
We can be free men and women away from the communist style EU way of keeping us down.
Corbyn and Benn have always been anti EU, their only plus points.
I've had 4 bottles of beer, from the Czech Republic! Hope we can still get it if we leave. So I had better leave politics till Emily Maitless comes on at 10-30, if I'm still awake.
Is this a reasonable answer Scouse?
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Honestly VC, I genuinely thought that despite your right leaning views, you would certainly have the intelligence not to spout the drivel ( in my opinion) that you do about the EU. Unless you're deliberately playing the D adovocate?
I still respect you though but not the utterings of the Daily Mail
posted on 12/9/19
Calm down, calm down. Sorry that should be Scouse's line.
posted on 12/9/19
Oh, and remember 'every racist in the UK voted for Brexit'
posted on 12/9/19
See de Pfeffel is cosying up to neonazi Viktor Orban to veto any attempts to allow an extension of Brexit so we will have to leave on the 31st Oct with or without a deal. What was Rameses saying about de Pfeffel and Hitler?
posted on 12/9/19
Rameses after your remarks about Hitler it is rather rich to be calling me names. Calling me and my kind racist is a cretinous comment, I have not put any racist comments on this or any other site, because I am not racist.
This is typical of someone who has lost the argument, you are a mardy baby and cannot take defeat, so you spout about Hitler and calling people racist. You should try and grow up. Posters on this site can disagree, but we usually remain polite. You have overstepped the line and I feel insulted.
I and 17.4 million voted to leave, I would vote leave again. I want sovereignty for my country, it is nothing to do with not liking foreigners, I love going abroad.
posted on 12/9/19
comment by I'm not Spartacus, hope springs eternal (U4603)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
See de Pfeffel is cosying up to neonazi Viktor Orban to veto any attempts to allow an extension of Brexit so we will have to leave on the 31st Oct with or without a deal. What was Rameses saying about de Pfeffel and Hitler?
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Don't you bloody start with that drivel, you know it is not remotely true. We should have left on March 31st and things would be looking up. If May hadn't have been so useless we would have had a decent deal, she had 3 years.
Since your heroes Corbyn and Benn were so anti EU, when did you change your mind about Brexit?
posted on 12/9/19
View, my response to Scouse's question was supposed to be light hearted.
By the way, how do you know what every racist voted for? Was it in the Guardian?
posted on 13/9/19
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 11 hours, 29 minutes ago
View, my response to Scouse's question was supposed to be light hearted.
By the way, how do you know what every racist voted for? Was it in the Guardian?
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No, indeed not, but show me a racist who voted for 'remain'?
posted on 13/9/19
I don't think I meet as many racists as you, so I can't comment.
I'm sorry how this thread has gone, I don't want to fall out with other posters and try not to comment on politics. But Rameses' remark got me going.
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