comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 seconds ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1178341/Arsenal-Watford-goal-VAR-draw-Cleverley-Deulofeu-in-box-Sky-Sports-referee-Sky-Sports/amp
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But the point is more that VAR doesnt stop black and white decisions being wrong, so you cant expect opinion decisions to be changed.
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That angle helped and I agree, it should have been disallowed. I would say that this is still a new area for football (before this season you couldn't touch the ball until it had left the area so encroachment was moot) and so hopefully this will he enforced more appropriately in the future.
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The article says VAR wont intervene in this, like keepers off the line at penalties.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 seconds ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1178341/Arsenal-Watford-goal-VAR-draw-Cleverley-Deulofeu-in-box-Sky-Sports-referee-Sky-Sports/amp
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But the point is more that VAR doesnt stop black and white decisions being wrong, so you cant expect opinion decisions to be changed.
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That angle helped and I agree, it should have been disallowed. I would say that this is still a new area for football (before this season you couldn't touch the ball until it had left the area so encroachment was moot) and so hopefully this will he enforced more appropriately in the future.
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The article says VAR wont intervene in this, like keepers off the line at penalties.
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Well that's in part due to the ANTI-VAR crowd moaning about it during the world cup. It would have been used for things like this hit such a fuss was kicked up that it was decided against it.
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
Being a fan of VAR doesn't mean that you think football was broken before. It just means that you think that the accuracy of decisions could be improved and that it is beneficial to do so. I'm not sure there have been any major differences to how the game is played. This season feels exactly like any other season.
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You know why it feels like any other season?
Because the PL knows they have a brilliant product, that is worth billions the world over. I'm sorry, but that should be proof alone that the focus on a players foot maybe being over the line when your defender facks up or a inch of shirt being offside is not what most people care about, or they'd be turning off.
I'm convinced that VAR has been brought in to satisfy the noisy minority watching at home. It's certainly not for the match-going fans.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
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No chance. I watched that replay a load of times. I watched pundits talk about the goal, i've read interviews with the players and manager about it.. no-one is blaming Delofeu's foot for that. It's ridiculous.
I hope you're on the win-up here, I really do.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Being a fan of VAR doesn't mean that you think football was broken before. It just means that you think that the accuracy of decisions could be improved and that it is beneficial to do so. I'm not sure there have been any major differences to how the game is played. This season feels exactly like any other season.
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You know why it feels like any other season?
Because the PL knows they have a brilliant product, that is worth billions the world over. I'm sorry, but that should be proof alone that the focus on a players foot maybe being over the line when your defender facks up or a inch of shirt being offside is not what most people care about, or they'd be turning off.
I'm convinced that VAR has been brought in to satisfy the noisy minority watching at home. It's certainly not for the match-going fans.
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I think VAR has been brought in to improve decision making, which it has done. That's not to say that everything will be perfect and there won't be mistakes like last night but overall it will be an improvement.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Being a fan of VAR doesn't mean that you think football was broken before. It just means that you think that the accuracy of decisions could be improved and that it is beneficial to do so. I'm not sure there have been any major differences to how the game is played. This season feels exactly like any other season.
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You know why it feels like any other season?
Because the PL knows they have a brilliant product, that is worth billions the world over. I'm sorry, but that should be proof alone that the focus on a players foot maybe being over the line when your defender facks up or a inch of shirt being offside is not what most people care about, or they'd be turning off.
I'm convinced that VAR has been brought in to satisfy the noisy minority watching at home. It's certainly not for the match-going fans.
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A few corrections.
Claiming that because a lot of people watch the PL isn't evidence that it is perfect. It would be the same as saying that people watched football when there was no backpass rule sonwe shouldn't have the backpass rule. I could equally say that attendances are still high so people are in favour of they would be turning off.
Fans watching the game from outside the ground (home, pub, etc) make up 90%+ plus of the audience of the PL. I'm not quite sure how that would be a minority.
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posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Smashed
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Never left second gear and won comfortably.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
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No chance. I watched that replay a load of times. I watched pundits talk about the goal, i've read interviews with the players and manager about it.. no-one is blaming Delofeu's foot for that. It's ridiculous.
I hope you're on the win-up here, I really do.
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They might not be blaming it but it is still against the rules. This is not a matter of opinion. Under the current rules it was an illegal goal.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
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No chance. I watched that replay a load of times. I watched pundits talk about the goal, i've read interviews with the players and manager about it.. no-one is blaming Delofeu's foot for that. It's ridiculous.
I hope you're on the win-up here, I really do.
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Sorry, let's break it down:
The rules state:
"Opponents must be outside the penalty area until the ball is in play"
An opponent (well 2) were in the area.
Black and white. No ifs or buts. Doesnt matter if pundits talk about it or not. The fact is the goal should have been disallowed.
And the only reason I am talking about it is in reference to VAR. This is the only discussion I have mentioned it, nothing to do with the result or the fact it went against Arsenal. Just a black and white decision VAR didnt make right.
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posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 36 seconds ago
And the only reason I am talking about it is in reference to VAR. This is the only discussion I have mentioned it, nothing to do with the result or the fact it went against Arsenal. Just a black and white decision VAR didnt make right.
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I agree. But if, as you say, they have explicitly decided to make it outside the scope of VAR then it isn't a mistake by VAR it is something VAR isn't allowed to overturn.
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
Claiming that because a lot of people watch the PL isn't evidence that it is perfect. It would be the same as saying that people watched football when there was no backpass rule sonwe shouldn't have the backpass rule. I could equally say that attendances are still high so people are in favour of they would be turning off.
Fans watching the game from outside the ground (home, pub, etc) make up 90%+ plus of the audience of the PL. I'm not quite sure how that would be a minority.
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Don't presume to correct me, I was stating my opinion. That's rude. Give yours and i'll respond respectfully.
I didn't mean that fans at home were the minority - i'm not an idiot. I meant the ones moaning about an incident like the Cleverley goal. Most people watch the game, enjoy it or not, maybe chat about it for 10 minutes, and get on with their lives.
You can say it's not evidence, but the way the PL has chosen to implement VAR very much backs up my opinion. They've made every effort to minimise it's intervention - there's been no refs wandering over to look at the TV screen, thank god.
The backpass rule like countless others, was brought in to improve the flow of the game - to make football more exciting. Changing the game so that we know that every decision was correct will have the opposite effect IMO.
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comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
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I’ve no idea what that means
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
And the only reason I am talking about it is in reference to VAR. This is the only discussion I have mentioned it, nothing to do with the result or the fact it went against Arsenal. Just a black and white decision VAR didnt make right.
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DJ
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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
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I’ve no idea what that means
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It means my post had a point and are you going to ring Daws in order to attempt to make me shut up as I dont think you can.
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 33 seconds ago
Claiming that because a lot of people watch the PL isn't evidence that it is perfect. It would be the same as saying that people watched football when there was no backpass rule sonwe shouldn't have the backpass rule. I could equally say that attendances are still high so people are in favour of they would be turning off.
Fans watching the game from outside the ground (home, pub, etc) make up 90%+ plus of the audience of the PL. I'm not quite sure how that would be a minority.
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Don't presume to correct me, I was stating my opinion. That's rude. Give yours and i'll respond respectfully.
I didn't mean that fans at home were the minority - i'm not an idiot. I meant the ones moaning about an incident like the Cleverley goal. Most people watch the game, enjoy it or not, maybe chat about it for 10 minutes, and get on with their lives.
You can say it's not evidence, but the way the PL has chosen to implement VAR very much backs up my opinion. They've made every effort to minimise it's intervention - there's been no refs wandering over to look at the TV screen, thank god.
The backpass rule like countless others, was brought in to improve the flow of the game - to make football more exciting. Changing the game so that we know that every decision was correct will have the opposite effect IMO.
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It isn't rude. It was my opinion that your opinion was based on a faulty logical premise and lacked evidence to back it up. Whilst you are absolutely entitled to have those opinions, I am entitled to disagree with them. Fans moaning about a goal might be in a minority of overall fans, but there are plenty of people who go to matches who also moan about decisions.
It isn't evidence. The PL may have updated the way they have introduced it but they still introduced it. Its level of intervention has been comparable to the level of intervention in other leagues. 1 in 4 games in the premier league have had a VAR review, compared to 1 in 3 when it was introduced elsewhere.
VAR makes football more exciting. When Man City thought they had scored a late winner in the CL quarter-final it whet to VAR. This immediately added tension, worry, hope to the wait. It also added extra jubilation for the spurs fans when it was ruled out. VAR wont make every decision correct but if it did itnwould just mean that we can see who the deserved winners of each match should be.
The way you did it was rude. You don't correct an opinion, you agree or disagree with it or not. I didn't make a statement of fact.
You understand that fans moaning are in the minority, that the PL has a lower level of intervention.. that's great.
We're not going to agree on this. I don't think VAR makes football more exciting at all.
Have a great day. This has been fun
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posted 3 minutes ago
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
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I’ve no idea what that means
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It means my post had a point and are you going to ring Daws in order to attempt to make me shut up as I dont think you can.
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Well I don’t have Daws’ number so....
Well I don’t have Daws’ number so....
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I've got a link to his FB page if you want it?
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Well I don’t have Daws’ number so....
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I've got a link to his FB page if you want it?
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Hacking again! Have you no shame?
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The way you did it was rude. You don't correct an opinion, you agree or disagree with it or not. I didn't make a statement of fact.
You understand that fans moaning are in the minority, that the PL has a lower level of intervention.. that's great.
We're not going to agree on this. I don't think VAR makes football more exciting at all.
Have a great day. This has been fun
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You do if it is based on faulty premise. Defending something as being an opinion doesn't make it valid. If I said that it is my opinion that the earth is flat it wouldn't be a valid opinion because it is not based on any legitimate facts.
The opinion I was disagreeing with wasn't whether the PL was introducing things differently or not. It was your opinion that VAR wasn't needed because people were watching before VAR. Your opinion in whether VAR was needed is fine, but your reasoning that about fans turning off is bad logic. VAR has been around for 2 or 3 years now and fans are still not turning off, so by your own logic this would actually support the opinion that VAR was wanted (or at the very least, that fans are happy with VAR). It would be like saying that we shouldn't introduce the colour tv because people are still watching their black and white tv. It makes an assumption on peoples preferences in something they haven't been offered.
If you said to someone would you prefer a football match where referees got 93% of decisions correct, or would you prefer a football match where referees got 97% of decisions correct, I imagine they would choose the latter.
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posted on 18/9/19
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 seconds ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1178341/Arsenal-Watford-goal-VAR-draw-Cleverley-Deulofeu-in-box-Sky-Sports-referee-Sky-Sports/amp
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But the point is more that VAR doesnt stop black and white decisions being wrong, so you cant expect opinion decisions to be changed.
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That angle helped and I agree, it should have been disallowed. I would say that this is still a new area for football (before this season you couldn't touch the ball until it had left the area so encroachment was moot) and so hopefully this will he enforced more appropriately in the future.
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The article says VAR wont intervene in this, like keepers off the line at penalties.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 seconds ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1178341/Arsenal-Watford-goal-VAR-draw-Cleverley-Deulofeu-in-box-Sky-Sports-referee-Sky-Sports/amp
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But the point is more that VAR doesnt stop black and white decisions being wrong, so you cant expect opinion decisions to be changed.
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That angle helped and I agree, it should have been disallowed. I would say that this is still a new area for football (before this season you couldn't touch the ball until it had left the area so encroachment was moot) and so hopefully this will he enforced more appropriately in the future.
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The article says VAR wont intervene in this, like keepers off the line at penalties.
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Well that's in part due to the ANTI-VAR crowd moaning about it during the world cup. It would have been used for things like this hit such a fuss was kicked up that it was decided against it.
posted on 18/9/19
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
posted on 18/9/19
Being a fan of VAR doesn't mean that you think football was broken before. It just means that you think that the accuracy of decisions could be improved and that it is beneficial to do so. I'm not sure there have been any major differences to how the game is played. This season feels exactly like any other season.
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You know why it feels like any other season?
Because the PL knows they have a brilliant product, that is worth billions the world over. I'm sorry, but that should be proof alone that the focus on a players foot maybe being over the line when your defender facks up or a inch of shirt being offside is not what most people care about, or they'd be turning off.
I'm convinced that VAR has been brought in to satisfy the noisy minority watching at home. It's certainly not for the match-going fans.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
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No chance. I watched that replay a load of times. I watched pundits talk about the goal, i've read interviews with the players and manager about it.. no-one is blaming Delofeu's foot for that. It's ridiculous.
I hope you're on the win-up here, I really do.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 3 minutes ago
Being a fan of VAR doesn't mean that you think football was broken before. It just means that you think that the accuracy of decisions could be improved and that it is beneficial to do so. I'm not sure there have been any major differences to how the game is played. This season feels exactly like any other season.
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You know why it feels like any other season?
Because the PL knows they have a brilliant product, that is worth billions the world over. I'm sorry, but that should be proof alone that the focus on a players foot maybe being over the line when your defender facks up or a inch of shirt being offside is not what most people care about, or they'd be turning off.
I'm convinced that VAR has been brought in to satisfy the noisy minority watching at home. It's certainly not for the match-going fans.
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I think VAR has been brought in to improve decision making, which it has done. That's not to say that everything will be perfect and there won't be mistakes like last night but overall it will be an improvement.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Being a fan of VAR doesn't mean that you think football was broken before. It just means that you think that the accuracy of decisions could be improved and that it is beneficial to do so. I'm not sure there have been any major differences to how the game is played. This season feels exactly like any other season.
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You know why it feels like any other season?
Because the PL knows they have a brilliant product, that is worth billions the world over. I'm sorry, but that should be proof alone that the focus on a players foot maybe being over the line when your defender facks up or a inch of shirt being offside is not what most people care about, or they'd be turning off.
I'm convinced that VAR has been brought in to satisfy the noisy minority watching at home. It's certainly not for the match-going fans.
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A few corrections.
Claiming that because a lot of people watch the PL isn't evidence that it is perfect. It would be the same as saying that people watched football when there was no backpass rule sonwe shouldn't have the backpass rule. I could equally say that attendances are still high so people are in favour of they would be turning off.
Fans watching the game from outside the ground (home, pub, etc) make up 90%+ plus of the audience of the PL. I'm not quite sure how that would be a minority.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by dangerdog2 (U22234)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Smashed
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Never left second gear and won comfortably.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
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No chance. I watched that replay a load of times. I watched pundits talk about the goal, i've read interviews with the players and manager about it.. no-one is blaming Delofeu's foot for that. It's ridiculous.
I hope you're on the win-up here, I really do.
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They might not be blaming it but it is still against the rules. This is not a matter of opinion. Under the current rules it was an illegal goal.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 seconds ago
Ok maybe by a fine margin, but no reasonable (unbiased) person would say that that goal should be disallowed.
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Rule broken, advantage gained. Why would a reasonable person not say that goal should be disallowed?
Only biased (either due to team allegiance or bias towards when you think is okay to bend rules) would say it should stand.
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No chance. I watched that replay a load of times. I watched pundits talk about the goal, i've read interviews with the players and manager about it.. no-one is blaming Delofeu's foot for that. It's ridiculous.
I hope you're on the win-up here, I really do.
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Sorry, let's break it down:
The rules state:
"Opponents must be outside the penalty area until the ball is in play"
An opponent (well 2) were in the area.
Black and white. No ifs or buts. Doesnt matter if pundits talk about it or not. The fact is the goal should have been disallowed.
posted on 18/9/19
And the only reason I am talking about it is in reference to VAR. This is the only discussion I have mentioned it, nothing to do with the result or the fact it went against Arsenal. Just a black and white decision VAR didnt make right.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
posted on 18/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 36 seconds ago
And the only reason I am talking about it is in reference to VAR. This is the only discussion I have mentioned it, nothing to do with the result or the fact it went against Arsenal. Just a black and white decision VAR didnt make right.
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I agree. But if, as you say, they have explicitly decided to make it outside the scope of VAR then it isn't a mistake by VAR it is something VAR isn't allowed to overturn.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
posted on 18/9/19
Claiming that because a lot of people watch the PL isn't evidence that it is perfect. It would be the same as saying that people watched football when there was no backpass rule sonwe shouldn't have the backpass rule. I could equally say that attendances are still high so people are in favour of they would be turning off.
Fans watching the game from outside the ground (home, pub, etc) make up 90%+ plus of the audience of the PL. I'm not quite sure how that would be a minority.
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Don't presume to correct me, I was stating my opinion. That's rude. Give yours and i'll respond respectfully.
I didn't mean that fans at home were the minority - i'm not an idiot. I meant the ones moaning about an incident like the Cleverley goal. Most people watch the game, enjoy it or not, maybe chat about it for 10 minutes, and get on with their lives.
You can say it's not evidence, but the way the PL has chosen to implement VAR very much backs up my opinion. They've made every effort to minimise it's intervention - there's been no refs wandering over to look at the TV screen, thank god.
The backpass rule like countless others, was brought in to improve the flow of the game - to make football more exciting. Changing the game so that we know that every decision was correct will have the opposite effect IMO.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
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I’ve no idea what that means
posted on 18/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
And the only reason I am talking about it is in reference to VAR. This is the only discussion I have mentioned it, nothing to do with the result or the fact it went against Arsenal. Just a black and white decision VAR didnt make right.
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DJ
posted on 18/9/19
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
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I’ve no idea what that means
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It means my post had a point and are you going to ring Daws in order to attempt to make me shut up as I dont think you can.
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 33 seconds ago
Claiming that because a lot of people watch the PL isn't evidence that it is perfect. It would be the same as saying that people watched football when there was no backpass rule sonwe shouldn't have the backpass rule. I could equally say that attendances are still high so people are in favour of they would be turning off.
Fans watching the game from outside the ground (home, pub, etc) make up 90%+ plus of the audience of the PL. I'm not quite sure how that would be a minority.
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Don't presume to correct me, I was stating my opinion. That's rude. Give yours and i'll respond respectfully.
I didn't mean that fans at home were the minority - i'm not an idiot. I meant the ones moaning about an incident like the Cleverley goal. Most people watch the game, enjoy it or not, maybe chat about it for 10 minutes, and get on with their lives.
You can say it's not evidence, but the way the PL has chosen to implement VAR very much backs up my opinion. They've made every effort to minimise it's intervention - there's been no refs wandering over to look at the TV screen, thank god.
The backpass rule like countless others, was brought in to improve the flow of the game - to make football more exciting. Changing the game so that we know that every decision was correct will have the opposite effect IMO.
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It isn't rude. It was my opinion that your opinion was based on a faulty logical premise and lacked evidence to back it up. Whilst you are absolutely entitled to have those opinions, I am entitled to disagree with them. Fans moaning about a goal might be in a minority of overall fans, but there are plenty of people who go to matches who also moan about decisions.
It isn't evidence. The PL may have updated the way they have introduced it but they still introduced it. Its level of intervention has been comparable to the level of intervention in other leagues. 1 in 4 games in the premier league have had a VAR review, compared to 1 in 3 when it was introduced elsewhere.
VAR makes football more exciting. When Man City thought they had scored a late winner in the CL quarter-final it whet to VAR. This immediately added tension, worry, hope to the wait. It also added extra jubilation for the spurs fans when it was ruled out. VAR wont make every decision correct but if it did itnwould just mean that we can see who the deserved winners of each match should be.
posted on 18/9/19
The way you did it was rude. You don't correct an opinion, you agree or disagree with it or not. I didn't make a statement of fact.
You understand that fans moaning are in the minority, that the PL has a lower level of intervention.. that's great.
We're not going to agree on this. I don't think VAR makes football more exciting at all.
Have a great day. This has been fun
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyway VAR apart, Liverpool would still have lost, they actually lost the game 2-0. Maybe instead of concentrating on the VAR, much better to have a go at VVD for making such a pigs ear of the second goal.
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I remember you saying the same when we smashed you in the biggest ever game in your loser clubs history actually.
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Shut up
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Fair point well made I thought Palmers. Are you going to ring Daws?
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I’ve no idea what that means
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It means my post had a point and are you going to ring Daws in order to attempt to make me shut up as I dont think you can.
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Well I don’t have Daws’ number so....
posted on 18/9/19
Well I don’t have Daws’ number so....
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I've got a link to his FB page if you want it?
posted on 18/9/19
No thanks DJ
posted on 18/9/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Well I don’t have Daws’ number so....
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I've got a link to his FB page if you want it?
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Hacking again! Have you no shame?
posted on 18/9/19
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
The way you did it was rude. You don't correct an opinion, you agree or disagree with it or not. I didn't make a statement of fact.
You understand that fans moaning are in the minority, that the PL has a lower level of intervention.. that's great.
We're not going to agree on this. I don't think VAR makes football more exciting at all.
Have a great day. This has been fun
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You do if it is based on faulty premise. Defending something as being an opinion doesn't make it valid. If I said that it is my opinion that the earth is flat it wouldn't be a valid opinion because it is not based on any legitimate facts.
The opinion I was disagreeing with wasn't whether the PL was introducing things differently or not. It was your opinion that VAR wasn't needed because people were watching before VAR. Your opinion in whether VAR was needed is fine, but your reasoning that about fans turning off is bad logic. VAR has been around for 2 or 3 years now and fans are still not turning off, so by your own logic this would actually support the opinion that VAR was wanted (or at the very least, that fans are happy with VAR). It would be like saying that we shouldn't introduce the colour tv because people are still watching their black and white tv. It makes an assumption on peoples preferences in something they haven't been offered.
If you said to someone would you prefer a football match where referees got 93% of decisions correct, or would you prefer a football match where referees got 97% of decisions correct, I imagine they would choose the latter.
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