The only way poch is leaving is if he decides to go himself.
2 good draws albeit from poor performances away from home in the league so far
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We've only had one bad result so far this season FFS, some of our fans are hysterical.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 12 minutes ago
We've only had one bad result so far this season FFS, some of our fans are hysterical.
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Of those 15 games , 10 were very tough games.
How many teams go to city and Liverpool away and come away with anything?
Draw away to Olympiakos is not the end of the world. Many other big teams have found it tough to get a result there. In the grand scheme of things, we got the point and should still qualify. Rose and Aurier rested for a Saturday. Lets hope the boys put in a better performance on Sat
I’ve brought some seeds so some of our hystericals can grow a pair of balls
That is a really tough run of away games, add to that our focus on last season's CL and running our injury ravaged squad into the ground, and there is no surprise the stats look like they do.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 50 minutes ago
The only way poch is leaving is if he decides to go himself.
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That`s what worries me. No manager should ever be bigger than the club. Even Billy Nicholson wasn`t.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
Chelsea LC L
Crystal Palace FAC L
Burnley P L
Chelsea P L
Dortmund CL W
Southampton P L
Liverpool P L
Man City CL L
Man City P L
Bournemouth P L
Ajax CL W
Liverpool CL L
Man City P D
Arsenal P D
Olympiacos CL D
The worst results in there for me are the Burnley and Southampton ones. At the time of the Chelsea LC and Palace FAC games we were in a terrible injury crisis. The Chelsea game was a draw on agg, we went out on pens.
Away at Liverpool we were by far the better team second half, not sure what the manager can do about Sissoko balloooning a one v one chance into row Z, then Hugo flapping it into his own net at 90 minutes.
Man City away 1-0 was a bit after the Lord Mayors show as we’d just KO’d them from the CL at their place 3 days earlier, lest we forget. That game is included here as a loss but it’s a result calculated on an aggregate score, so different context. Bournemouth we were down to 9 men - again where is the player accountability here? Draws away at City, Arsenal and Olympiacos are good results in the context of the season. It’s the performances rather than the results (all game v City, second half v Arsenal) that are the concern.
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Ace you can dress it up as you like, but the results are shocking. No amount of excuses can take away just two wins in 9 months. Facts is facts.
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 16 minutes ago
Of those 15 games , 10 were very tough games.
How many teams go to city and Liverpool away and come away with anything?
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Bournemouth, Burnley, Southampton, Palace, were certainly not tough, they should have all been routine wins. As should being 2-0 up against both Arsenal and Olympiacos coming up to half-time.
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Sandy, we are undefeated away from home this season. Draws at £ity, Goonz and Olympiakos are not to be sniffed at.
Before the Arsenal and Olympiakos games most of us would have taken draws but to be 2 up in both and win neither is unprofessional and demonstrates a weak mentality.
A decent team might blow a 2 goal lead once a season, we've done it in back to back away games. It now becomes psychological and if we are fortunate enough to be 2 up at Leicester they won't be overly concerned whereas we will be bricking it.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 35 minutes ago
Facking hell Sandy how many more Poch out articles do you wanna write? We get it. We know we had a crap run in the second half of last season in the league, it’s been done to death.
How about changing the record; tell us who should replace him. Tell us who is likely to get us top 4 for four years on the trot and a CL final with a net spend of about £30m over five years, compared against the soending of other clubs at home and in Europe? Bemoaning every little thing that goes wrong is dull, make it constructive.
Also, why does nobody ever have a pop at the senior players here? A manager can only do so much - when the players cross the white line they have to take a certain amount of responsibility for their play, their decisions, their leadership, their in-game management. They can’t just get off Scot free. Vertonghen, Toby, Rose, Hugo, Eriksen, Kane - these are senior players that have been at the club as long or longer than Poch. Who oversees the defensive lapses that have seen us concede just before HT lately? Why does Eriksen always go missing in the very biggest games?
Ultimately when a club hits the rocks the manager takes the bullet, but we aren’t in that situation. There is a collective responsibility and my bigger concern is the collective lack of leadership and control of situations on the pitch.
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Would you be saying the same Ace if AVB, Sherwood or Ramos had been in charge with this set of results. I very much doubt it. You would have wanted the manager gone, and rightly so. Poch has no defence to that set of away results, even a relegated team would have probably more away wins over the same period. As I also said the home form is nothing to shout about either.
I think you need to wake up mate to the crisis that is coming at a faster speed than even I thought.
Expect us to lose home and away to Bayern, probably lose in Belgrade, which means to just get seven points in the group, Spurs will have to win their remaining two home games, and that is far from certain on current form. Don`t be surprised if Spurs are playing Europa footie in January. Will you then start to question the manager, or will that still be hunky dory?
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Sandy, who do you want to replace Poch and what would your expectations be for the new man?
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
Chelsea LC L - aggregate draw, lost on pens, injury nightmare.
Crystal Palace FAC L - poor result, injury nightmare.
Burnley P L - poor result
Chelsea P L - not a game we’d expect to win
Dortmund CL W - good result & perfomance
Southampton P L - poor result
Liverpool P L - good performance, disappointing result due to player errors
Man City CL L - aggregate draw to win the CL QF
Man City P L - pretty good performance, not a game we’d expect to win
Bournemouth P L - poor result, down to 9 men, player accountability??
Ajax CL W - incredible result
Liverpool CL L - poor performance, crap game
Man City P D - lucky but good result
Arsenal P D - poor second half performance, good result
Olympiacos CL D - decent result, not great performance from what I hear (not seen it yet).
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That is just it Ace, you have hit the nail on the head. You put Chelsea, not a game Spurs should be expected to win. Why the feck not? It is that sort of losers mentality that has pervaded the club under Poch. Oh we are good, but not that good, and we just have to roll over away from home against any half decent opposition.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 30 minutes ago
Facking hell Sandy how many more Poch out articles do you wanna write? We get it. We know we had a crap run in the second half of last season in the league, it’s been done to death.
How about changing the record; tell us who should replace him. Tell us who is likely to get us top 4 for four years on the trot and a CL final with a net spend of about £30m over five years, compared against the soending of other clubs at home and in Europe? Bemoaning every little thing that goes wrong is dull, make it constructive.
Also, why does nobody ever have a pop at the senior players here? A manager can only do so much - when the players cross the white line they have to take a certain amount of responsibility for their play, their decisions, their leadership, their in-game management. They can’t just get off Scot free. Vertonghen, Toby, Rose, Hugo, Eriksen, Kane - these are senior players that have been at the club as long or longer than Poch. Who oversees the defensive lapses that have seen us concede just before HT lately? Why does Eriksen always go missing in the very biggest games?
Ultimately when a club hits the rocks the manager takes the bullet, but we aren’t in that situation. There is a collective responsibility and my bigger concern is the collective lack of leadership and control of situations on the pitch.
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Completely agree. The senior players have to take some of the responsibility.
Rio Ferdinand last night on BT Sport was saying that Tottenham will lose Kane, Eriksen if the club don't start to deliver trophies. Well Rio, how about the players actually stay, fight and win something with the team there at? That takes real ambition and hard work. Anyone can run away to Madrid, Barcelona, City and get silverware. Thats the easy option.
Maybe the players are letting themselves down. Poch has his faults but we may regret getting rid. Mouhrinio would be an awful replacement for Tottenham.
Im sure it would make you happy Sandy but RM looked like cr@p again last night. Doesn't look like ZZ is having an especially happy return. At some point this dance with RM & Poch is gonna stop.... Might be the only way Eriksen gets his move !!!!!
Shame Rogers got a good job at Leicester, would have liked him at Spurs
My bet for what its worth is that Poch & Eriksen are at RM in Jan & Julian Naglesmann (the bright young thing in German Footy) is next manager of Spurs)
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 30 seconds ago
Sandy, who do you want to replace Poch and what would your expectations be for the new man?
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I have said on several posts, I don`t like Mourinho as a person, but he is a winner, he would certainly get this lot of players winning trophies, something Poch will never do. Even Sarri won a trophy at Chelsea. Lots of so called lesser managers with lesser teams are winning trophies. Poch will never ever win a trophy, unless he goes and manages in say Sweden or something similar. He wouldn`t last five minutes at any other big European club. They wouldn`t give him five years of winning nothing like Spurs have.
Contrary to popular opinion Poch is not the only manager in world football.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would you be saying the same Ace if AVB, Sherwood or Ramos had been in charge with this set of results. I very much doubt it.
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If AVB, Sherwood or Ramos had just taken us to four top 4 finishes and a CL final in the last four years on a much smaller budget than all their rivals, then yes I would.
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The talk about budget is ridiculous, Spurs have one of the world`s best strikers, certainly had two of the world`s best CBs, one of the top half a dozen goalies in world football, countless other really decent players, so talking about money is completely irrelevant. Poch had the players, just did not, and will not ever deliver.
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posted on 19/9/19
The only way poch is leaving is if he decides to go himself.
posted on 19/9/19
2 good draws albeit from poor performances away from home in the league so far
posted on 19/9/19
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posted on 19/9/19
We've only had one bad result so far this season FFS, some of our fans are hysterical.
posted on 19/9/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 12 minutes ago
We've only had one bad result so far this season FFS, some of our fans are hysterical.
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posted on 19/9/19
Of those 15 games , 10 were very tough games.
How many teams go to city and Liverpool away and come away with anything?
posted on 19/9/19
Draw away to Olympiakos is not the end of the world. Many other big teams have found it tough to get a result there. In the grand scheme of things, we got the point and should still qualify. Rose and Aurier rested for a Saturday. Lets hope the boys put in a better performance on Sat
posted on 19/9/19
I’ve brought some seeds so some of our hystericals can grow a pair of balls
posted on 19/9/19
That is a really tough run of away games, add to that our focus on last season's CL and running our injury ravaged squad into the ground, and there is no surprise the stats look like they do.
posted on 19/9/19
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posted on 19/9/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 50 minutes ago
The only way poch is leaving is if he decides to go himself.
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That`s what worries me. No manager should ever be bigger than the club. Even Billy Nicholson wasn`t.
posted on 19/9/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
Chelsea LC L
Crystal Palace FAC L
Burnley P L
Chelsea P L
Dortmund CL W
Southampton P L
Liverpool P L
Man City CL L
Man City P L
Bournemouth P L
Ajax CL W
Liverpool CL L
Man City P D
Arsenal P D
Olympiacos CL D
The worst results in there for me are the Burnley and Southampton ones. At the time of the Chelsea LC and Palace FAC games we were in a terrible injury crisis. The Chelsea game was a draw on agg, we went out on pens.
Away at Liverpool we were by far the better team second half, not sure what the manager can do about Sissoko balloooning a one v one chance into row Z, then Hugo flapping it into his own net at 90 minutes.
Man City away 1-0 was a bit after the Lord Mayors show as we’d just KO’d them from the CL at their place 3 days earlier, lest we forget. That game is included here as a loss but it’s a result calculated on an aggregate score, so different context. Bournemouth we were down to 9 men - again where is the player accountability here? Draws away at City, Arsenal and Olympiacos are good results in the context of the season. It’s the performances rather than the results (all game v City, second half v Arsenal) that are the concern.
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Ace you can dress it up as you like, but the results are shocking. No amount of excuses can take away just two wins in 9 months. Facts is facts.
posted on 19/9/19
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 16 minutes ago
Of those 15 games , 10 were very tough games.
How many teams go to city and Liverpool away and come away with anything?
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Bournemouth, Burnley, Southampton, Palace, were certainly not tough, they should have all been routine wins. As should being 2-0 up against both Arsenal and Olympiacos coming up to half-time.
posted on 19/9/19
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posted on 19/9/19
Sandy, we are undefeated away from home this season. Draws at £ity, Goonz and Olympiakos are not to be sniffed at.
posted on 19/9/19
Before the Arsenal and Olympiakos games most of us would have taken draws but to be 2 up in both and win neither is unprofessional and demonstrates a weak mentality.
A decent team might blow a 2 goal lead once a season, we've done it in back to back away games. It now becomes psychological and if we are fortunate enough to be 2 up at Leicester they won't be overly concerned whereas we will be bricking it.
posted on 19/9/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 35 minutes ago
Facking hell Sandy how many more Poch out articles do you wanna write? We get it. We know we had a crap run in the second half of last season in the league, it’s been done to death.
How about changing the record; tell us who should replace him. Tell us who is likely to get us top 4 for four years on the trot and a CL final with a net spend of about £30m over five years, compared against the soending of other clubs at home and in Europe? Bemoaning every little thing that goes wrong is dull, make it constructive.
Also, why does nobody ever have a pop at the senior players here? A manager can only do so much - when the players cross the white line they have to take a certain amount of responsibility for their play, their decisions, their leadership, their in-game management. They can’t just get off Scot free. Vertonghen, Toby, Rose, Hugo, Eriksen, Kane - these are senior players that have been at the club as long or longer than Poch. Who oversees the defensive lapses that have seen us concede just before HT lately? Why does Eriksen always go missing in the very biggest games?
Ultimately when a club hits the rocks the manager takes the bullet, but we aren’t in that situation. There is a collective responsibility and my bigger concern is the collective lack of leadership and control of situations on the pitch.
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Would you be saying the same Ace if AVB, Sherwood or Ramos had been in charge with this set of results. I very much doubt it. You would have wanted the manager gone, and rightly so. Poch has no defence to that set of away results, even a relegated team would have probably more away wins over the same period. As I also said the home form is nothing to shout about either.
I think you need to wake up mate to the crisis that is coming at a faster speed than even I thought.
Expect us to lose home and away to Bayern, probably lose in Belgrade, which means to just get seven points in the group, Spurs will have to win their remaining two home games, and that is far from certain on current form. Don`t be surprised if Spurs are playing Europa footie in January. Will you then start to question the manager, or will that still be hunky dory?
posted on 19/9/19
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posted on 19/9/19
Sandy, who do you want to replace Poch and what would your expectations be for the new man?
posted on 19/9/19
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posted on 19/9/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
Chelsea LC L - aggregate draw, lost on pens, injury nightmare.
Crystal Palace FAC L - poor result, injury nightmare.
Burnley P L - poor result
Chelsea P L - not a game we’d expect to win
Dortmund CL W - good result & perfomance
Southampton P L - poor result
Liverpool P L - good performance, disappointing result due to player errors
Man City CL L - aggregate draw to win the CL QF
Man City P L - pretty good performance, not a game we’d expect to win
Bournemouth P L - poor result, down to 9 men, player accountability??
Ajax CL W - incredible result
Liverpool CL L - poor performance, crap game
Man City P D - lucky but good result
Arsenal P D - poor second half performance, good result
Olympiacos CL D - decent result, not great performance from what I hear (not seen it yet).
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That is just it Ace, you have hit the nail on the head. You put Chelsea, not a game Spurs should be expected to win. Why the feck not? It is that sort of losers mentality that has pervaded the club under Poch. Oh we are good, but not that good, and we just have to roll over away from home against any half decent opposition.
posted on 19/9/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 30 minutes ago
Facking hell Sandy how many more Poch out articles do you wanna write? We get it. We know we had a crap run in the second half of last season in the league, it’s been done to death.
How about changing the record; tell us who should replace him. Tell us who is likely to get us top 4 for four years on the trot and a CL final with a net spend of about £30m over five years, compared against the soending of other clubs at home and in Europe? Bemoaning every little thing that goes wrong is dull, make it constructive.
Also, why does nobody ever have a pop at the senior players here? A manager can only do so much - when the players cross the white line they have to take a certain amount of responsibility for their play, their decisions, their leadership, their in-game management. They can’t just get off Scot free. Vertonghen, Toby, Rose, Hugo, Eriksen, Kane - these are senior players that have been at the club as long or longer than Poch. Who oversees the defensive lapses that have seen us concede just before HT lately? Why does Eriksen always go missing in the very biggest games?
Ultimately when a club hits the rocks the manager takes the bullet, but we aren’t in that situation. There is a collective responsibility and my bigger concern is the collective lack of leadership and control of situations on the pitch.
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Completely agree. The senior players have to take some of the responsibility.
Rio Ferdinand last night on BT Sport was saying that Tottenham will lose Kane, Eriksen if the club don't start to deliver trophies. Well Rio, how about the players actually stay, fight and win something with the team there at? That takes real ambition and hard work. Anyone can run away to Madrid, Barcelona, City and get silverware. Thats the easy option.
Maybe the players are letting themselves down. Poch has his faults but we may regret getting rid. Mouhrinio would be an awful replacement for Tottenham.
posted on 19/9/19
Im sure it would make you happy Sandy but RM looked like cr@p again last night. Doesn't look like ZZ is having an especially happy return. At some point this dance with RM & Poch is gonna stop.... Might be the only way Eriksen gets his move !!!!!
Shame Rogers got a good job at Leicester, would have liked him at Spurs
My bet for what its worth is that Poch & Eriksen are at RM in Jan & Julian Naglesmann (the bright young thing in German Footy) is next manager of Spurs)
posted on 19/9/19
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 30 seconds ago
Sandy, who do you want to replace Poch and what would your expectations be for the new man?
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I have said on several posts, I don`t like Mourinho as a person, but he is a winner, he would certainly get this lot of players winning trophies, something Poch will never do. Even Sarri won a trophy at Chelsea. Lots of so called lesser managers with lesser teams are winning trophies. Poch will never ever win a trophy, unless he goes and manages in say Sweden or something similar. He wouldn`t last five minutes at any other big European club. They wouldn`t give him five years of winning nothing like Spurs have.
Contrary to popular opinion Poch is not the only manager in world football.
posted on 19/9/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 3 minutes ago
Would you be saying the same Ace if AVB, Sherwood or Ramos had been in charge with this set of results. I very much doubt it.
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If AVB, Sherwood or Ramos had just taken us to four top 4 finishes and a CL final in the last four years on a much smaller budget than all their rivals, then yes I would.
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The talk about budget is ridiculous, Spurs have one of the world`s best strikers, certainly had two of the world`s best CBs, one of the top half a dozen goalies in world football, countless other really decent players, so talking about money is completely irrelevant. Poch had the players, just did not, and will not ever deliver.
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