Sorry, retract that - I was mixing you up with the other guy. My apologies.
What I would say to your post is yes, there are cants in all walk of life.
The difference between cyclists and drivers is only one of them is operating a machine that frequently kills people.
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
comment by RuiCostaJr (U10462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
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I imagine your commute to work is down a really long hill. That's the only way I can see someone switching between bike and car. It would surely have to be a convertible too as difficult to judge jumping in and out of the open window. Especially from and onto a moving bike. I reckon the bike would stay up on its own going down the hill but it would have to be a straight hill. I guess you could match its speed using the car's brakes and stuff but if I were you I'd probably just take the bus because the commute home sounds like a NIGHTMARE.
comment by RuiCostaJr (U10462)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
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I think the point here is that it’s only because he’s on a bike that people mention and discuss the mode of transport.
People in cars act like idiots every day but no one identified them by their mode of transport because they don’t have an underlying prejudice against people who drive cars.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RuiCostaJr (U10462)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
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I think the point here is that it’s only because he’s on a bike that people mention and discuss the mode of transport.
People in cars act like idiots every day but no one identified them by their mode of transport because they don’t have an underlying prejudice against people who drive cars.
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I do
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
What I would say to your post is yes, there are cants in all walk of life.
The difference between cyclists and drivers is only one of them is operating a machine that frequently kills people.
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This attitude is the justification bad behaving cyclists use for their behaviour. "So what if I'm being dangerous, it's fine cos I probably won't kill anyone like a driver could."
Bad ROAD USERS are a problem. That's bad cyclists, bad drivers and idiot pedestrians. Between them all, they're responsible for the majority of road accidents or fatalities. So yes a bad cyclist is comparable to and just as culpable as a bad driver.
You also speak as though no cyclists drive cars ever. Untrue.So for a moment think about it. If he/she is a complete tool on a bicycle then they'll almost certainly be one when they're behind the wheel of a car. It's to do with the attitude, not the mode of transport. A dangerous moron is a dangerous moron, whether they're on a bike or in a car is kind of irrelevant when talking about getting the dangerous morons off the road.
The assumption by Winston that I am not a cyclist as well as a car user is incorrect. I have a Brompton, the reason I commented on cyclists is because such a high proportion of them are dangerous and the Police do nothing about it.
Cyclists have the cameras so obviously you are not going to see a lot of videos of them crashing into pedestrians on pavements - how hard is that to work out ?
Here is an example though, presumably this moron posted it because he felt aggrieved at the reaction of the pedestrian - but what would have happened if it had been a 4 year old that he hit instead ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq6rpVMcyas
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 6 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
What I would say to your post is yes, there are cants in all walk of life.
The difference between cyclists and drivers is only one of them is operating a machine that frequently kills people.
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This attitude is the justification bad behaving cyclists use for their behaviour. "So what if I'm being dangerous, it's fine cos I probably won't kill anyone like a driver could."
Bad ROAD USERS are a problem. That's bad cyclists, bad drivers and idiot pedestrians. Between them all, they're responsible for the majority of road accidents or fatalities. So yes a bad cyclist is comparable to and just as culpable as a bad driver.
You also speak as though no cyclists drive cars ever. Untrue.So for a moment think about it. If he/she is a complete tool on a bicycle then they'll almost certainly be one when they're behind the wheel of a car. It's to do with the attitude, not the mode of transport. A dangerous moron is a dangerous moron, whether they're on a bike or in a car is kind of irrelevant when talking about getting the dangerous morons off the road.
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This is probably one of the most moronic posts I’ve ever read on this site.
Firstly, no, I’ve not said nor implied that bad behaviour by cyclists acceptable.
But to say that it is comparable to bad behaviour by drivers is just plain wrong.
Have a look at the thousands of deaths caused by drivers every year, then compare with with the average of 0-1 per year by cyclists.
If you still conclude that they’re as bad as each other then you’re a straight up moron.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
The assumption by Winston that I am not a cyclist as well as a car user is incorrect. I have a Brompton, the reason I commented on cyclists is because such a high proportion of them are dangerous and the Police do nothing about it.
Cyclists have the cameras so obviously you are not going to see a lot of videos of them crashing into pedestrians on pavements - how hard is that to work out ?
Here is an example though, presumably this moron posted it because he felt aggrieved at the reaction of the pedestrian - but what would have happened if it had been a 4 year old that he hit instead ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq6rpVMcyas
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If cyclists are so dangerous, why do they cause so few deaths?
The statistics don’t back you up - they prove you wrong.
And no, the ‘I’m a cyclist too’ line doesn’t wash. I’m yet to experience anyone who does ride a bike make quite as stupid a comment as you have.
Listen carefully - you claimed cyclists don’t recognise that there are bad cyclists as well as bad drivers. That is untrue. What they do recognise, however, is the relative danger that each pose and so when people complain about bad cyclists as if they’re comparable with bad drivers, it is refuted.
That is absolutely logical and correct.
Winston, I have nothing to object to that post except that it ignores the main point I was trying to make:
The vast majority of drivers and cyclists are absolutely fine people, while the drivers vs. cyclists debate continues to stereotype and stigmatise ALL of the members in either group.
I'd also bear in mind that many dangerous incidents are caused by bad or simply distracted drivers rather than by out-and-out cants. It only takes a split second of distraction, which can happen to absolutely anyone, for something to go horribly wrong.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 34 minutes ago
Winston, I have nothing to object to that post except that it ignores the main point I was trying to make:
The vast majority of drivers and cyclists are absolutely fine people, while the drivers vs. cyclists debate continues to stereotype and stigmatise ALL of the members in either group.
I'd also bear in mind that many dangerous incidents are caused by bad or simply distracted drivers rather than by out-and-out cants. It only takes a split second of distraction, which can happen to absolutely anyone, for something to go horribly wrong.
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Absolute nonsense.
When do you see generalised demonisation of drivers as a group? Certainly not in the media, who often complain about things like speed cameras.
Certainly not from people who cycle, who often drive themselves.
However, the generalisation and demonisation of cyclists is rife, from morons on this forum to various media outlets. And it’s entitely illogical.
The standard of driving on our roads is appalling and the only reason more people don’t die is because of technological advancements with motor vehicles.
The vast, vast majority of drivers routinely break the speed limit, as just one example, let alone the absolute endemic issue of phone use.
This is not an equal debate. Cyclists shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as drivers when it comes to danger posed.
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Drivers are too busy voting for brexit instead of paying attention to the road
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
Drivers are too busy voting for brexit instead of paying attention to the road
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We need to take are roads back
Winston
Why is a bad cyclist just as much a danger as a bad driver?
PEOPLE DRIVING IN CARS HAVE TO SWERVE/BRAKE OR OTHERWISE DRIVE DANGEROUSLY SIMPLY TO AVOID KILLING THAT CYCLIST!
Your fatality number only looks so good because serious injury or fatality caused by a cyclists actions but not directly by the cyclists bike. Do NOT go down on the books as cycle related. So some clown on a bike blows a red light. Car swerves to miss him and smashes into another car, someone dies. Cyclist rides off home. The dead people get documented as car fatalities. Regardless of the fact that accident was 100% CAUSED BY the idiot actions of the cyclist. Hence the official cycle fatality number is so low. Its absolutely nothing to do with cyclist not causing deaths with their behaviour. As you seem to believe/be suggesting.
Only bad cyclists use your "Well cars are more dangerous" argument. Every responsible cyclist I know sees makes no distinction between idiots. They want BOTH types gone and don't waste time pointing out how bad cyclists don't kill people. Largely because they know/understand the statistical argument is inaccurate as I've explained above. Of course, bad cyclists don't/won't see it that way. They'll just be indignant and insult anyone suggesting they're a danger. Much like you have on this thread.
No anti cycling agenda BTW. Actually more anti car. But I see an equal proportion of idiot cyclists and drivers on the road and have witnessed accidents caused by both. More than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them. So both are as bad and dangerous as each other. No, one's better than the other, to this argument.
The problem is the mentality of the menace to the roads in control. Not their chosen vehicle.
I had to swerve in my car to avoid an idiot cyclist who was swerving to avoid and idiot pedestrian who was swerving to avoid an idiot wheelchair user who was swerving to avoid a dog who was swerving to avoid a mouse who was swerving to avoid a worm who was swerving to avoid an ant who was swerving to avoid a grain of sand.
Sand is equally as dangerous as car drivers. You just do not think about the accidents they indirectly cause and are not recorded.
That's not a chain of events started by the cyclist or the driver being stupid or irresponsible Finlay so it's a useless example. Your sequence, though unlikely since at least two creatures involved would eat not swerve the other other creature. That sequence of events is a chain which IS a bonified accident.
A cyclist swerving to avoid hurting someone and an accident happening anyway. Is a very different scenario to am idiot speeding through a red light or riding up and over a routhough.t because they dont want to wait. So I don't actually know why you bothered to post that. We're talking about deliberate irresponsible actions.
And I'm quite happy to call out an idiot pedestrian gawking at their phone crossing the road causing either car or cycle to swerve and causing an accident. Each is a problem in it's own way and each finger points at another as "The problem". It's ALL the people who think the road is theirs and theirs alone and do stupid crap which gets other people killed more often than themselves. Hell if the only people to get hurt in accidents were the idiots who caused them, I wouldn't care a dam. Not the reality though
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 6 hours, 2 minutes ago
Winston
Why is a bad cyclist just as much a danger as a bad driver?
PEOPLE DRIVING IN CARS HAVE TO SWERVE/BRAKE OR OTHERWISE DRIVE DANGEROUSLY SIMPLY TO AVOID KILLING THAT CYCLIST!
Your fatality number only looks so good because serious injury or fatality caused by a cyclists actions but not directly by the cyclists bike. Do NOT go down on the books as cycle related. So some clown on a bike blows a red light. Car swerves to miss him and smashes into another car, someone dies. Cyclist rides off home. The dead people get documented as car fatalities. Regardless of the fact that accident was 100% CAUSED BY the idiot actions of the cyclist. Hence the official cycle fatality number is so low. Its absolutely nothing to do with cyclist not causing deaths with their behaviour. As you seem to believe/be suggesting.
Only bad cyclists use your "Well cars are more dangerous" argument. Every responsible cyclist I know sees makes no distinction between idiots. They want BOTH types gone and don't waste time pointing out how bad cyclists don't kill people. Largely because they know/understand the statistical argument is inaccurate as I've explained above. Of course, bad cyclists don't/won't see it that way. They'll just be indignant and insult anyone suggesting they're a danger. Much like you have on this thread.
No anti cycling agenda BTW. Actually more anti car. But I see an equal proportion of idiot cyclists and drivers on the road and have witnessed accidents caused by both. More than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them. So both are as bad and dangerous as each other. No, one's better than the other, to this argument.
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You simply have to be a troll. No one can be this stupid.
This is definitely my favourite part:
“I have witnessed... more m than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them.”
Mum's pushing their pushchairs next to each other along our local cycle routes are the real danger. They even tut when you ring your bell.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
This is definitely my favourite part:
“I have witnessed... more m than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them.”
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You really are a lowlife Winston.
There's nothing funny about seeing someone cut out of a car and rushed off in ambulance. Get a life you waste of skin. And pray that life doesn't choose to give you the victims eye view of what you seem to think is so funny. So you can learn to appreciate how funny it really isn't.
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Mum's pushing their pushchairs next to each other along our local cycle routes are the real danger. They even tut when you ring your bell.
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Only tut, if ya lucky. Watch them mommy mafia types mate. Some of 'em are just plain feral and real dangerous
Cyclists riding side by side on busy dual carriageways
Begging for it
Question for Cyclists!
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posted on 27/9/19
Sorry, retract that - I was mixing you up with the other guy. My apologies.
posted on 27/9/19
What I would say to your post is yes, there are cants in all walk of life.
The difference between cyclists and drivers is only one of them is operating a machine that frequently kills people.
posted on 27/9/19
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
posted on 27/9/19
comment by RuiCostaJr (U10462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
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I imagine your commute to work is down a really long hill. That's the only way I can see someone switching between bike and car. It would surely have to be a convertible too as difficult to judge jumping in and out of the open window. Especially from and onto a moving bike. I reckon the bike would stay up on its own going down the hill but it would have to be a straight hill. I guess you could match its speed using the car's brakes and stuff but if I were you I'd probably just take the bus because the commute home sounds like a NIGHTMARE.
posted on 27/9/19
comment by RuiCostaJr (U10462)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
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I think the point here is that it’s only because he’s on a bike that people mention and discuss the mode of transport.
People in cars act like idiots every day but no one identified them by their mode of transport because they don’t have an underlying prejudice against people who drive cars.
posted on 27/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RuiCostaJr (U10462)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
I am both a cyclist and a motorist as I switch between the two in my commute to work. I don't see the point in being a jobsworth like the nimrod in your scenario was, as we're all just trying to use the road. Especially don't try and park right in the middle of an area to inconvenience everyone else , particularly since you are the smallest entity there.
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I think the point here is that it’s only because he’s on a bike that people mention and discuss the mode of transport.
People in cars act like idiots every day but no one identified them by their mode of transport because they don’t have an underlying prejudice against people who drive cars.
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I do
posted on 29/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
What I would say to your post is yes, there are cants in all walk of life.
The difference between cyclists and drivers is only one of them is operating a machine that frequently kills people.
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This attitude is the justification bad behaving cyclists use for their behaviour. "So what if I'm being dangerous, it's fine cos I probably won't kill anyone like a driver could."
Bad ROAD USERS are a problem. That's bad cyclists, bad drivers and idiot pedestrians. Between them all, they're responsible for the majority of road accidents or fatalities. So yes a bad cyclist is comparable to and just as culpable as a bad driver.
You also speak as though no cyclists drive cars ever. Untrue.So for a moment think about it. If he/she is a complete tool on a bicycle then they'll almost certainly be one when they're behind the wheel of a car. It's to do with the attitude, not the mode of transport. A dangerous moron is a dangerous moron, whether they're on a bike or in a car is kind of irrelevant when talking about getting the dangerous morons off the road.
posted on 29/9/19
The assumption by Winston that I am not a cyclist as well as a car user is incorrect. I have a Brompton, the reason I commented on cyclists is because such a high proportion of them are dangerous and the Police do nothing about it.
Cyclists have the cameras so obviously you are not going to see a lot of videos of them crashing into pedestrians on pavements - how hard is that to work out ?
Here is an example though, presumably this moron posted it because he felt aggrieved at the reaction of the pedestrian - but what would have happened if it had been a 4 year old that he hit instead ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq6rpVMcyas
posted on 29/9/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 6 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 day, 16 hours ago
What I would say to your post is yes, there are cants in all walk of life.
The difference between cyclists and drivers is only one of them is operating a machine that frequently kills people.
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This attitude is the justification bad behaving cyclists use for their behaviour. "So what if I'm being dangerous, it's fine cos I probably won't kill anyone like a driver could."
Bad ROAD USERS are a problem. That's bad cyclists, bad drivers and idiot pedestrians. Between them all, they're responsible for the majority of road accidents or fatalities. So yes a bad cyclist is comparable to and just as culpable as a bad driver.
You also speak as though no cyclists drive cars ever. Untrue.So for a moment think about it. If he/she is a complete tool on a bicycle then they'll almost certainly be one when they're behind the wheel of a car. It's to do with the attitude, not the mode of transport. A dangerous moron is a dangerous moron, whether they're on a bike or in a car is kind of irrelevant when talking about getting the dangerous morons off the road.
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This is probably one of the most moronic posts I’ve ever read on this site.
Firstly, no, I’ve not said nor implied that bad behaviour by cyclists acceptable.
But to say that it is comparable to bad behaviour by drivers is just plain wrong.
Have a look at the thousands of deaths caused by drivers every year, then compare with with the average of 0-1 per year by cyclists.
If you still conclude that they’re as bad as each other then you’re a straight up moron.
posted on 29/9/19
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
The assumption by Winston that I am not a cyclist as well as a car user is incorrect. I have a Brompton, the reason I commented on cyclists is because such a high proportion of them are dangerous and the Police do nothing about it.
Cyclists have the cameras so obviously you are not going to see a lot of videos of them crashing into pedestrians on pavements - how hard is that to work out ?
Here is an example though, presumably this moron posted it because he felt aggrieved at the reaction of the pedestrian - but what would have happened if it had been a 4 year old that he hit instead ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq6rpVMcyas
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If cyclists are so dangerous, why do they cause so few deaths?
The statistics don’t back you up - they prove you wrong.
And no, the ‘I’m a cyclist too’ line doesn’t wash. I’m yet to experience anyone who does ride a bike make quite as stupid a comment as you have.
Listen carefully - you claimed cyclists don’t recognise that there are bad cyclists as well as bad drivers. That is untrue. What they do recognise, however, is the relative danger that each pose and so when people complain about bad cyclists as if they’re comparable with bad drivers, it is refuted.
That is absolutely logical and correct.
posted on 29/9/19
Winston, I have nothing to object to that post except that it ignores the main point I was trying to make:
The vast majority of drivers and cyclists are absolutely fine people, while the drivers vs. cyclists debate continues to stereotype and stigmatise ALL of the members in either group.
I'd also bear in mind that many dangerous incidents are caused by bad or simply distracted drivers rather than by out-and-out cants. It only takes a split second of distraction, which can happen to absolutely anyone, for something to go horribly wrong.
posted on 29/9/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 34 minutes ago
Winston, I have nothing to object to that post except that it ignores the main point I was trying to make:
The vast majority of drivers and cyclists are absolutely fine people, while the drivers vs. cyclists debate continues to stereotype and stigmatise ALL of the members in either group.
I'd also bear in mind that many dangerous incidents are caused by bad or simply distracted drivers rather than by out-and-out cants. It only takes a split second of distraction, which can happen to absolutely anyone, for something to go horribly wrong.
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Absolute nonsense.
When do you see generalised demonisation of drivers as a group? Certainly not in the media, who often complain about things like speed cameras.
Certainly not from people who cycle, who often drive themselves.
However, the generalisation and demonisation of cyclists is rife, from morons on this forum to various media outlets. And it’s entitely illogical.
The standard of driving on our roads is appalling and the only reason more people don’t die is because of technological advancements with motor vehicles.
The vast, vast majority of drivers routinely break the speed limit, as just one example, let alone the absolute endemic issue of phone use.
This is not an equal debate. Cyclists shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as drivers when it comes to danger posed.
posted on 29/9/19
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posted on 29/9/19
Drivers are too busy voting for brexit instead of paying attention to the road
posted on 29/9/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
Drivers are too busy voting for brexit instead of paying attention to the road
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We need to take are roads back
posted on 29/9/19
Winston
Why is a bad cyclist just as much a danger as a bad driver?
PEOPLE DRIVING IN CARS HAVE TO SWERVE/BRAKE OR OTHERWISE DRIVE DANGEROUSLY SIMPLY TO AVOID KILLING THAT CYCLIST!
Your fatality number only looks so good because serious injury or fatality caused by a cyclists actions but not directly by the cyclists bike. Do NOT go down on the books as cycle related. So some clown on a bike blows a red light. Car swerves to miss him and smashes into another car, someone dies. Cyclist rides off home. The dead people get documented as car fatalities. Regardless of the fact that accident was 100% CAUSED BY the idiot actions of the cyclist. Hence the official cycle fatality number is so low. Its absolutely nothing to do with cyclist not causing deaths with their behaviour. As you seem to believe/be suggesting.
Only bad cyclists use your "Well cars are more dangerous" argument. Every responsible cyclist I know sees makes no distinction between idiots. They want BOTH types gone and don't waste time pointing out how bad cyclists don't kill people. Largely because they know/understand the statistical argument is inaccurate as I've explained above. Of course, bad cyclists don't/won't see it that way. They'll just be indignant and insult anyone suggesting they're a danger. Much like you have on this thread.
No anti cycling agenda BTW. Actually more anti car. But I see an equal proportion of idiot cyclists and drivers on the road and have witnessed accidents caused by both. More than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them. So both are as bad and dangerous as each other. No, one's better than the other, to this argument.
posted on 29/9/19
The problem is the mentality of the menace to the roads in control. Not their chosen vehicle.
posted on 29/9/19
I had to swerve in my car to avoid an idiot cyclist who was swerving to avoid and idiot pedestrian who was swerving to avoid an idiot wheelchair user who was swerving to avoid a dog who was swerving to avoid a mouse who was swerving to avoid a worm who was swerving to avoid an ant who was swerving to avoid a grain of sand.
Sand is equally as dangerous as car drivers. You just do not think about the accidents they indirectly cause and are not recorded.
posted on 29/9/19
That's not a chain of events started by the cyclist or the driver being stupid or irresponsible Finlay so it's a useless example. Your sequence, though unlikely since at least two creatures involved would eat not swerve the other other creature. That sequence of events is a chain which IS a bonified accident.
A cyclist swerving to avoid hurting someone and an accident happening anyway. Is a very different scenario to am idiot speeding through a red light or riding up and over a routhough.t because they dont want to wait. So I don't actually know why you bothered to post that. We're talking about deliberate irresponsible actions.
And I'm quite happy to call out an idiot pedestrian gawking at their phone crossing the road causing either car or cycle to swerve and causing an accident. Each is a problem in it's own way and each finger points at another as "The problem". It's ALL the people who think the road is theirs and theirs alone and do stupid crap which gets other people killed more often than themselves. Hell if the only people to get hurt in accidents were the idiots who caused them, I wouldn't care a dam. Not the reality though
posted on 29/9/19
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 6 hours, 2 minutes ago
Winston
Why is a bad cyclist just as much a danger as a bad driver?
PEOPLE DRIVING IN CARS HAVE TO SWERVE/BRAKE OR OTHERWISE DRIVE DANGEROUSLY SIMPLY TO AVOID KILLING THAT CYCLIST!
Your fatality number only looks so good because serious injury or fatality caused by a cyclists actions but not directly by the cyclists bike. Do NOT go down on the books as cycle related. So some clown on a bike blows a red light. Car swerves to miss him and smashes into another car, someone dies. Cyclist rides off home. The dead people get documented as car fatalities. Regardless of the fact that accident was 100% CAUSED BY the idiot actions of the cyclist. Hence the official cycle fatality number is so low. Its absolutely nothing to do with cyclist not causing deaths with their behaviour. As you seem to believe/be suggesting.
Only bad cyclists use your "Well cars are more dangerous" argument. Every responsible cyclist I know sees makes no distinction between idiots. They want BOTH types gone and don't waste time pointing out how bad cyclists don't kill people. Largely because they know/understand the statistical argument is inaccurate as I've explained above. Of course, bad cyclists don't/won't see it that way. They'll just be indignant and insult anyone suggesting they're a danger. Much like you have on this thread.
No anti cycling agenda BTW. Actually more anti car. But I see an equal proportion of idiot cyclists and drivers on the road and have witnessed accidents caused by both. More than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them. So both are as bad and dangerous as each other. No, one's better than the other, to this argument.
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You simply have to be a troll. No one can be this stupid.
posted on 29/9/19
This is definitely my favourite part:
“I have witnessed... more m than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them.”
posted on 29/9/19
Mum's pushing their pushchairs next to each other along our local cycle routes are the real danger. They even tut when you ring your bell.
posted on 30/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
This is definitely my favourite part:
“I have witnessed... more m than one car smash caused by by a cyclist who just kept going leaving totalled cars behind them.”
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You really are a lowlife Winston.
There's nothing funny about seeing someone cut out of a car and rushed off in ambulance. Get a life you waste of skin. And pray that life doesn't choose to give you the victims eye view of what you seem to think is so funny. So you can learn to appreciate how funny it really isn't.
posted on 30/9/19
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Mum's pushing their pushchairs next to each other along our local cycle routes are the real danger. They even tut when you ring your bell.
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Only tut, if ya lucky. Watch them mommy mafia types mate. Some of 'em are just plain feral and real dangerous
posted on 30/9/19
Cyclists riding side by side on busy dual carriageways
Begging for it
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