comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 8 seconds ago
Well as someone who actually lives in a black country, dates women, has close friends and a business partner, your statement could only work if you were desperately doing all you could to avoid talking about physical appearance. It’s such an intrinsic part of common language that you would be diverting constantly.
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I can assure you that it never enters my mind to point out that someone sitting opposite me has a different skin colour. It would be like pointing out if my friend is short, or has a big nose, or has a disability. I am far more interested in the person than what they look like.

Maybe it is a big part of common language for you but that is not the same for many people in multi-cultural environments. At all.
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Sorry, that’s absolute BS

Personal aesthetic is common language for everyone, black people and white people are no different in that sense
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That's not BS at all. I have worked and been to school in multi-cultural environments where people don't refer to each other's skin colour.

What they're wearing etc, maybe. That's very different.
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I guess we’ve had different kinds of ‘multi-cultural’ experiences. When your girlfriend is moisturizing because she feels ashy, or your friend is complaining about never being able to have straight hair like you, you can’t really avoid discussing physical appearance.
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To be fair there's a big difference between those examples and mocking someone for their appearance.
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Don’t divert, you took the stance of never discussing physical appearance with friends - I responded to your point.

Friend: did you see the news about Trump?

Thisishardcore: Look - you have ashy skin!

Friend:

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jaap (U22250)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 minutes ago
I can assure you that it never enters my mind to point out that someone sitting opposite me has a different skin colour.
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Is that how you think banter happens between friends?

Have you really never mocked a friend for their appearance or mannerisms?


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Give us an example of how you banter with your friends of colour
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My black friend is always late, and we call it "black man time". He says it himself, more so than others in the group.
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I can totally understand every aspect of this! Perfectly reasonable.

Or, I had a white t-shirt on and was leaning against a white wall and my mate said "shiiit, DJ has disappeared" - the laughs.

If anybody of a darker complexion has ever been called rubber lips growing up they’ll know why that tweet is racist.

Walk up to a black man and make fun of his big red rubbery lips and see what happens.

The caricature was originally based on black men from the Congo with spears. Australia isn’t the best country to use when talking about what is and isn’t deemed racist.

comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 8 seconds ago
Well as someone who actually lives in a black country, dates women, has close friends and a business partner, your statement could only work if you were desperately doing all you could to avoid talking about physical appearance. It’s such an intrinsic part of common language that you would be diverting constantly.
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I can assure you that it never enters my mind to point out that someone sitting opposite me has a different skin colour. It would be like pointing out if my friend is short, or has a big nose, or has a disability. I am far more interested in the person than what they look like.

Maybe it is a big part of common language for you but that is not the same for many people in multi-cultural environments. At all.
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Sorry, that’s absolute BS

Personal aesthetic is common language for everyone, black people and white people are no different in that sense
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That's not BS at all. I have worked and been to school in multi-cultural environments where people don't refer to each other's skin colour.

What they're wearing etc, maybe. That's very different.
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I guess we’ve had different kinds of ‘multi-cultural’ experiences. When your girlfriend is moisturizing because she feels ashy, or your friend is complaining about never being able to have straight hair like you, you can’t really avoid discussing physical appearance.
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To be fair there's a big difference between those examples and mocking someone for their appearance.
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Don’t divert, you took the stance of never discussing physical appearance with friends - I responded to your point.
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I actually don't though. That's great if you do.

You didn't respond to my point, which is the basis of the discussion - that people were offended by Silva's joke about Mendy's appearance.

A random black man? I wouldn't walk up to a random man and take the pee - no matter his race.

One of my friends is forever talking about his big lips. He loves them, and as such we take the mick out of him for that.

comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Friend: did you see the news about Trump?

Thisishardcore: Look - you have ashy skin!

Friend:
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I said girlfriend actually. Fack you must be brutal at parties.

Please don’t ever come to the Caribbean - you will ruin everyone’s time.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Jaap (U22250)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 minutes ago
I can assure you that it never enters my mind to point out that someone sitting opposite me has a different skin colour.
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Is that how you think banter happens between friends?

Have you really never mocked a friend for their appearance or mannerisms?


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Give us an example of how you banter with your friends of colour
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Well, for example, we were walking home after the club in pitch black, my friend gave a toothy smile and said "You can see me now". Mass hysteria.

Or, was round a mates house and he wanted to wash the plates but couldn't find a scrubber and I said "it's on your head" - mass hysteria.

Or, I had a white t-shirt on and was leaning against a white wall and my mate said "shiiit, DJ has disappeared" - the laughs.
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All genuinely funny, no problem with any of that.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
If anybody of a darker complexion has ever been called rubber lips growing up they’ll know why that tweet is racist.

Walk up to a black man and make fun of his big red rubbery lips and see what happens.
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But Silva knows Mendy and clearly knew what his reaction would be.

He probably should have kept it private, but I'd imagine most black folk wouldn't kick up a fuss about this tweet considering it was in jest between two friends.

I wouldn't walk up to a short man and mock his height, a ginger man for his hair, a gay man for his sexuality or indeed any man for the colour of his skin. I'd rightfully expect a smack.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
If anybody of a darker complexion has ever been called rubber lips growing up they’ll know why that tweet is racist.

Walk up to a black man and make fun of his big red rubbery lips and see what happens.
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I suppose the reaction would depend on whether he fancied you?

All genuinely funny, no problem with any of that.
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Thats the thing with this conversation, I think Bales and RDD think banter is a constant barrage of abuse and not just naturally occurring due to situations arising.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
If anybody of a darker complexion has ever been called rubber lips growing up they’ll know why that tweet is racist.

Walk up to a black man and make fun of his big red rubbery lips and see what happens.
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The first point is a good point, but this situation isn’t exactly about an internet warrior walking up to a black stranger and making fun of his appearance.

comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Friend: did you see the news about Trump?

Thisishardcore: Look - you have ashy skin!

Friend:
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I said girlfriend actually. Fack you must be brutal at parties.

Please don’t ever come to the Caribbean - you will ruin everyone’s time.
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You don't like my example?

Calm down fella. We're talking about the difference between what you would say in private between friends and in a public forum.

FYI I had no problems in the Caribbean.

People are confidential and racism and bullying with friends enjoying a laugh.

Confusing

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 39 seconds ago

All genuinely funny, no problem with any of that.
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Thats the thing with this conversation, I think Bales and RDD think banter is a constant barrage of abuse and not just naturally occurring due to situations arising.
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I think the problem with this conversation is people referring to their PRIVATE conversations with friends as if that justifies repeating the same in public, and criticising the inevitable fallout from something like Silva's tweet.

'My mate would be ok with it' is great, but a pointless statement when we're talking about a high profile footballer's twitter account.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
If anybody of a darker complexion has ever been called rubber lips growing up they’ll know why that tweet is racist.

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Was called that at school many times, definitely a racist verbal attack. Not cool with this one.

comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 39 seconds ago

All genuinely funny, no problem with any of that.
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Thats the thing with this conversation, I think Bales and RDD think banter is a constant barrage of abuse and not just naturally occurring due to situations arising.
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I think the problem with this conversation is people referring to their PRIVATE conversations with friends as if that justifies repeating the same in public, and criticising the inevitable fallout from something like Silva's tweet.

'My mate would be ok with it' is great, but a pointless statement when we're talking about a high profile footballer's twitter account.
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Why is it okay to say in private and not public?

comment by 1 Father - 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
If anybody of a darker complexion has ever been called rubber lips growing up they’ll know why that tweet is racist.

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Was called that at school many times, definitely a racist verbal attack. Not cool with this one.
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I always thought the phrase related more to speech impediments, an insult applicable to all races.

Before Bales pipes up, this doesn’t mean I go around calling people it.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 39 seconds ago

All genuinely funny, no problem with any of that.
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Thats the thing with this conversation, I think Bales and RDD think banter is a constant barrage of abuse and not just naturally occurring due to situations arising.
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I think the problem with this conversation is people referring to their PRIVATE conversations with friends as if that justifies repeating the same in public, and criticising the inevitable fallout from something like Silva's tweet.

'My mate would be ok with it' is great, but a pointless statement when we're talking about a high profile footballer's twitter account.
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Why is it okay to say in private and not public?
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Someone, please? I'm out.

Where I am from Rubber Lips refers to Mick Jagger

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Jaap (U22250)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 8 minutes ago
I can assure you that it never enters my mind to point out that someone sitting opposite me has a different skin colour.
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Is that how you think banter happens between friends?

Have you really never mocked a friend for their appearance or mannerisms?


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Give us an example of how you banter with your friends of colour
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My black friend is always late, and we call it "black man time". He says it himself, more so than others in the group.
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Oh dear.

comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 39 seconds ago

All genuinely funny, no problem with any of that.
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Thats the thing with this conversation, I think Bales and RDD think banter is a constant barrage of abuse and not just naturally occurring due to situations arising.
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I think the problem with this conversation is people referring to their PRIVATE conversations with friends as if that justifies repeating the same in public, and criticising the inevitable fallout from something like Silva's tweet.

'My mate would be ok with it' is great, but a pointless statement when we're talking about a high profile footballer's twitter account.
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Why is it okay to say in private and not public?
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Someone, please? I'm out.
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I suppose it’s to do with “the death of the author”. Once you write/say something and it’s out there in the public domain, you have next to no control over how it will be interpreted. Now, of course, the world is full of idiots who will misinterpret or misunderstand anything. But it’s better not to broadcast things that have obviously racial undertones, whether you meant it that way or not.

Silva’s joke to Mendy was meant in good spirits and probably so received - great. But Silva has no control over people who have had the same joke aimed at them when it was not done in the same spirit.

To be honest, for me, it’s not really about “offensive” anyway. I doubt many people are genuinely deeply offended by it. But I stand by my first comment: it’s an utterly stupid thing for a public figure to share on the internet.