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The referee didn’t whistle.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
The referee didn’t whistle.
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right so we will discount the player ten yards away from his opinion then
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but either way
by raising his flag hasn't this clearly inept linesman gone against the VAR instructions of allowing play to go on?
the players should play to the whistle (which some claim happened, others didn't) but why did he raise his flag?
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Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
comment by Captain Xhaka: Titanic Part II (U3245)
posted 20 seconds ago
wtf are you banging on about
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the instructions 'apparently' are for unsure offsides the linesman should keep his flag down and allow VAR to make the decision.
by raising it he is signaling to the united defenders there is no doubt.
they should play to the whistle but his flag clearly affected several united players, young trudging back with his arm raised like he's about to set up for a free kick for one.
It’s hard to be sure De Gea wasn’t affected, that’s for sure.
I wouldn’t blame the result on this but it’s another issue with VAR.
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
No ref got it spot on and sensibly let play go. Goal was the fair outcome.
VAR is a mockery if they don't come back for decisions like the Xhaka pull back and the stonewall pen though.
More importantly, De Gea didn't play to any whistle as he came out very quickly to stop the goal. It wasn't an offside and it was a cool finish. It was also a school boy error from United's left back to play a dangerous pass across the goal?
I have to say this Friend ref is so poor. He gave a free kick against United when Arsenal player committed it and only after he consulted the touch line re, he reversed the decision. Yet, the incident happened 2 yards from him.
comment by (U22183)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
The referee didn’t whistle.
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right so we will discount the player ten yards away from his opinion then
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Well, yes! It could have been from the crowd, they’ve replayed it a few times on Sky and he clearly waits until the ball crosses the line before he whistles.
The linesman absolutely shouldn’t have flagged though, but then that shouldn’t stop the players.
Also, both sides were dire and really at this stage, Leicester look much better than either United or Arsenal.
By the way, who the hell paid any money for Fred? Such a fraud! Fred the fraud!
comment by (U22183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
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There was a review, the Var team would have decided it wasn’t a clear and obvious error and so allowed play to carry on. That’s happened in multiple games this season already.
Var also isn’t there to point out bookable offences. I think you need to read what it’s remit is on the fa site tbh as there wasn’t anything done differently tonight.
No problems with the goal at all.
The problem i have with VAR is that I think the ref just has to have the final call. What on Earth is the point in having it if those guys in stockley park are never going to overrule a decision?
I think it works fairly well in the CL where the ref is able to view the incident. Yeah, it takes a bit more time but at least you have more confidence in them making the right call.
At the moment VAR is acting purely as an offside check. Its just a waste of the potential of the thing.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
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There was a review, the Var team would have decided it wasn’t a clear and obvious error and so allowed play to carry on. That’s happened in multiple games this season already.
Var also isn’t there to point out bookable offences. I think you need to read what it’s remit is on the fa site tbh as there wasn’t anything done differently tonight.
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the ball took a clear deflection from his arm.
the ref should then have had to go make the decision himself with replays.
if they did look at it and thought it was nothing then that's a completely different conversation
The handball was odd, it was pretty clear with replays and the commentator said VAR were reviewing it. I don’t see how they could come to the concluding that it’s wasn't a handball going by their rules.
I didn’t think it was handball personally - he didn’t move his arm, did he?
Can see why people might disagree but for me it’s clear why the original decision stood.
Var finally worked
The lino needs sacking though, no level of incompetence can say that was offside, the defender was right next to him
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 seconds ago
Var finally worked
The lino needs sacking though, no level of incompetence can say that was offside, the defender was right next to him
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No issues with the decision and VAR got it right. Really don't know what the lino was doing though. He must have though he was miles offside to raise his flag there.
Few of us thought the whistle went, if that's the case then the goal shouldn't have stood. Looked like young and de gea stopped for a second too.
comment by (U22183)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
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There was a review, the Var team would have decided it wasn’t a clear and obvious error and so allowed play to carry on. That’s happened in multiple games this season already.
Var also isn’t there to point out bookable offences. I think you need to read what it’s remit is on the fa site tbh as there wasn’t anything done differently tonight.
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the ball took a clear deflection from his arm.
the ref should then have had to go make the decision himself with replays.
if they did look at it and thought it was nothing then that's a completely different conversation
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That isn’t what they’ve done with any others though as they didn’t seem it a clear and obvious error (remember the high bar they’ve said they’re using this season).
That shouldn’t be something new though unless you haven’t watched many games this season.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
I didn’t think it was handball personally - he didn’t move his arm, did he?
Can see why people might disagree but for me it’s clear why the original decision stood.
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Me too. From a VAR perspective, I don’t think it would have intervened had it been given or not, I interpreted it the same as you though.
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posted on 30/9/19
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posted on 30/9/19
The referee didn’t whistle.
posted on 30/9/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
The referee didn’t whistle.
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right so we will discount the player ten yards away from his opinion then
posted on 30/9/19
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posted on 30/9/19
but either way
by raising his flag hasn't this clearly inept linesman gone against the VAR instructions of allowing play to go on?
the players should play to the whistle (which some claim happened, others didn't) but why did he raise his flag?
posted on 30/9/19
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posted on 30/9/19
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
posted on 30/9/19
comment by Captain Xhaka: Titanic Part II (U3245)
posted 20 seconds ago
wtf are you banging on about
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the instructions 'apparently' are for unsure offsides the linesman should keep his flag down and allow VAR to make the decision.
by raising it he is signaling to the united defenders there is no doubt.
they should play to the whistle but his flag clearly affected several united players, young trudging back with his arm raised like he's about to set up for a free kick for one.
posted on 30/9/19
It’s hard to be sure De Gea wasn’t affected, that’s for sure.
I wouldn’t blame the result on this but it’s another issue with VAR.
posted on 30/9/19
Shame
posted on 30/9/19
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
posted on 30/9/19
No ref got it spot on and sensibly let play go. Goal was the fair outcome.
VAR is a mockery if they don't come back for decisions like the Xhaka pull back and the stonewall pen though.
posted on 30/9/19
More importantly, De Gea didn't play to any whistle as he came out very quickly to stop the goal. It wasn't an offside and it was a cool finish. It was also a school boy error from United's left back to play a dangerous pass across the goal?
I have to say this Friend ref is so poor. He gave a free kick against United when Arsenal player committed it and only after he consulted the touch line re, he reversed the decision. Yet, the incident happened 2 yards from him.
posted on 30/9/19
comment by (U22183)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
The referee didn’t whistle.
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right so we will discount the player ten yards away from his opinion then
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Well, yes! It could have been from the crowd, they’ve replayed it a few times on Sky and he clearly waits until the ball crosses the line before he whistles.
The linesman absolutely shouldn’t have flagged though, but then that shouldn’t stop the players.
posted on 30/9/19
Also, both sides were dire and really at this stage, Leicester look much better than either United or Arsenal.
By the way, who the hell paid any money for Fred? Such a fraud! Fred the fraud!
posted on 30/9/19
comment by (U22183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
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There was a review, the Var team would have decided it wasn’t a clear and obvious error and so allowed play to carry on. That’s happened in multiple games this season already.
Var also isn’t there to point out bookable offences. I think you need to read what it’s remit is on the fa site tbh as there wasn’t anything done differently tonight.
posted on 30/9/19
No problems with the goal at all.
The problem i have with VAR is that I think the ref just has to have the final call. What on Earth is the point in having it if those guys in stockley park are never going to overrule a decision?
I think it works fairly well in the CL where the ref is able to view the incident. Yeah, it takes a bit more time but at least you have more confidence in them making the right call.
At the moment VAR is acting purely as an offside check. Its just a waste of the potential of the thing.
posted on 30/9/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
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There was a review, the Var team would have decided it wasn’t a clear and obvious error and so allowed play to carry on. That’s happened in multiple games this season already.
Var also isn’t there to point out bookable offences. I think you need to read what it’s remit is on the fa site tbh as there wasn’t anything done differently tonight.
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the ball took a clear deflection from his arm.
the ref should then have had to go make the decision himself with replays.
if they did look at it and thought it was nothing then that's a completely different conversation
posted on 30/9/19
The handball was odd, it was pretty clear with replays and the commentator said VAR were reviewing it. I don’t see how they could come to the concluding that it’s wasn't a handball going by their rules.
posted on 30/9/19
I didn’t think it was handball personally - he didn’t move his arm, did he?
Can see why people might disagree but for me it’s clear why the original decision stood.
posted on 30/9/19
Var finally worked
The lino needs sacking though, no level of incompetence can say that was offside, the defender was right next to him
posted on 30/9/19
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 seconds ago
Var finally worked
The lino needs sacking though, no level of incompetence can say that was offside, the defender was right next to him
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No issues with the decision and VAR got it right. Really don't know what the lino was doing though. He must have though he was miles offside to raise his flag there.
posted on 30/9/19
Few of us thought the whistle went, if that's the case then the goal shouldn't have stood. Looked like young and de gea stopped for a second too.
posted on 30/9/19
comment by (U22183)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by (U22183)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 5 seconds ago
Who cares about the offside? It was correctly given in the end.
It’s the penalty shout I don’t understand. Why couldn’t VAR overturn that? Obviously hit his arm, slightly away from his body. Penalty and maybe 2-0.
It’s a rubbish system if it can overturn some decisions but not others.
Just like Martial being fouled vs Palace for another pen turned down. I don’t get it
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play went on for like 5 mins and when it stopped the ref just pointed for a sub, there was no review because if there was he would of had to go look at a monitor which he didn't.
why did it also not let him know Xhaka had clearly committed a bookable offense off the ball.
its so inconsistent
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There was a review, the Var team would have decided it wasn’t a clear and obvious error and so allowed play to carry on. That’s happened in multiple games this season already.
Var also isn’t there to point out bookable offences. I think you need to read what it’s remit is on the fa site tbh as there wasn’t anything done differently tonight.
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the ball took a clear deflection from his arm.
the ref should then have had to go make the decision himself with replays.
if they did look at it and thought it was nothing then that's a completely different conversation
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That isn’t what they’ve done with any others though as they didn’t seem it a clear and obvious error (remember the high bar they’ve said they’re using this season).
That shouldn’t be something new though unless you haven’t watched many games this season.
posted on 30/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
I didn’t think it was handball personally - he didn’t move his arm, did he?
Can see why people might disagree but for me it’s clear why the original decision stood.
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Me too. From a VAR perspective, I don’t think it would have intervened had it been given or not, I interpreted it the same as you though.
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