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Dalot
Tuanzebe
Maguire
Young
McTominay
Fred
Pereira
Mata
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Rashford
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The main difference with Klopp in his first part season with Liverpool is that he made various players better. Im not seeing any of that.
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Can't really remember that far back, but out of interest, who does this apply to?
Appreciate you feel you saw an improvement, but Klopp has pretty much replaced the entire first team, hasn't he?
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Firmino and Can were probably the biggest but most players improved upon their form under Rodgers.
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Lallana stood out for me. Went up a couple of levels.
Yeah there’s a fallacy that Klopp improves Liverpool’s team to what they are through coaching
He has bought basically that entire first XI, if you go back to when he joined there was no Allison, VVD, Matip, TAA, Robertson, Fabinho, wijnaldum, firmino, salah or mane. That’s 10 out of the first XI that he has bought or in TAA case promoted.
Completely different team to what he took over in 15. So can’t use the Klopp improved what Liverpool had argument to beat Ole with
de Gea
Wan-Bissaka
Lindelöf
Maguire
Shaw
Pogba
McTominay
Lingard
James
Rashford
Martial
Its absolutely not a fallacy to say he has improved players though and plenty of them at that.
Its also not a fallacy to say he saw problems and fixed them such as using Milner at LB and converting TAA to right back.
The Klopp and Ole comparisons are absurd to me.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
The main difference with Klopp in his first part season with Liverpool is that he made various players better. Im not seeing any of that.
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Can't really remember that far back, but out of interest, who does this apply to?
Appreciate you feel you saw an improvement, but Klopp has pretty much replaced the entire first team, hasn't he?
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Firmino and Can were probably the biggest but most players improved upon their form under Rodgers.
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Okay thanks.. wasn't Firmino signed about 2 months before though?
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He was but he didn't look all that under Rodgers and was being played out wide. It was Klopp who decided to try him as a false 9 where he has since flourished.
He certainly didnt make any players worse.
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Yeah there’s a fallacy that Klopp improves Liverpool’s team to what they are through coaching
He has bought basically that entire first XI, if you go back to when he joined there was no Allison, VVD, Matip, TAA, Robertson, Fabinho, wijnaldum, firmino, salah or mane. That’s 10 out of the first XI that he has bought or in TAA case promoted.
Completely different team to what he took over in 15. So can’t use the Klopp improved what Liverpool had argument to beat Ole with
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This is the impression I had.
Doesn't mean he's not a great coach and doesn't mean that we can't draw differences between his first 6 months and Ole's.
But it does suggest that Klopp required a fairly radical overhaul and that wasn't a Liverpool in disarray.
And let's not forget that Liverpool finished 8th in Klopp's first season - albeit not a full season, but still.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
The main difference with Klopp in his first part season with Liverpool is that he made various players better. Im not seeing any of that.
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Can't really remember that far back, but out of interest, who does this apply to?
Appreciate you feel you saw an improvement, but Klopp has pretty much replaced the entire first team, hasn't he?
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Firmino and Can were probably the biggest but most players improved upon their form under Rodgers.
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Okay thanks.. wasn't Firmino signed about 2 months before though?
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He was but he didn't look all that under Rodgers and was being played out wide. It was Klopp who decided to try him as a false 9 where he has since flourished.
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Fair dos.
I do think sometimes though that a manager's past is romanticised if things have gone well in the recent past.
I know the game has moved on but honestly, some of the football under SAF in those first few years was pretty poor. We look back and we talk about it as the block building for what came after, but that's not what was being said at the time.
Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
He certainly didnt make any players worse.
Who has Ole made worse, sorry?
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Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
He certainly didnt make any players worse.
Who has Ole made worse, sorry?
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Rashford looks broken.
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Lingard playing the worst football of his career.
Did Mourinho get fully paid off by United, or is he still on your wage bill?
Think Jesse, sadly has not really hit the height since LVG's farewell against palace in the cup. Rashford is struggling, but he isn't getting service from a crap midfield and again he is not a centre forward. We just got rid of De Gea's GK coach which he insisted was hired a few years ago - again who lets a player chose a coach. He will improve again now I am sure.
So, only 3 players playing "worse" (measured by arbitrary means) under Ole compared to before. Well, with the 3 he got in I guess he is on par then by that insightful analysis. thanks chaps.
Has Ole really improved a single player? At a push, McT but he was already playing well under Jose
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posted 13 minutes ago
Lingard playing the worst football of his career.
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Has he ever played good football?
comment by Football Club not PLC Glazers out (U22256)
posted 2 minutes ago
So, only 3 players playing "worse" (measured by arbitrary means) under Ole compared to before. Well, with the 3 he got in I guess he is on par then by that insightful analysis. thanks chaps.
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Nah youre right mate actually, he's doing a grand job and getting the most out of what he has at his disposal.
I just like to thank Robb and the rest of the liverpool fans for all their concern at this time
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comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lingard playing the worst football of his career.
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Has he ever played good football?
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He was half decent under LVg and Jose
Since Ole joined he’s had something like 2 goals and 1 assist
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I just like to thank Robb and the rest of the liverpool fans for all their concern at this time
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It’s sad you can’t see the car crash happening in front of us
If you pull apart a squad and it takes time to replace many of the key positions, it's not exactly a fecking surprise that the players remaining will look worse for a period of time.
These players will look a lot better with central midfield resolved, I have no doubt about that.
This overly simplistic view of football is frustrating.
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posted on 8/10/19
de Gea
Dalot
Tuanzebe
Maguire
Young
McTominay
Fred
Pereira
Mata
James
Rashford
posted on 8/10/19
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
The main difference with Klopp in his first part season with Liverpool is that he made various players better. Im not seeing any of that.
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Can't really remember that far back, but out of interest, who does this apply to?
Appreciate you feel you saw an improvement, but Klopp has pretty much replaced the entire first team, hasn't he?
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Firmino and Can were probably the biggest but most players improved upon their form under Rodgers.
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Lallana stood out for me. Went up a couple of levels.
posted on 8/10/19
Yeah there’s a fallacy that Klopp improves Liverpool’s team to what they are through coaching
He has bought basically that entire first XI, if you go back to when he joined there was no Allison, VVD, Matip, TAA, Robertson, Fabinho, wijnaldum, firmino, salah or mane. That’s 10 out of the first XI that he has bought or in TAA case promoted.
Completely different team to what he took over in 15. So can’t use the Klopp improved what Liverpool had argument to beat Ole with
posted on 8/10/19
de Gea
Wan-Bissaka
Lindelöf
Maguire
Shaw
Pogba
McTominay
Lingard
James
Rashford
Martial
posted on 8/10/19
Its absolutely not a fallacy to say he has improved players though and plenty of them at that.
Its also not a fallacy to say he saw problems and fixed them such as using Milner at LB and converting TAA to right back.
The Klopp and Ole comparisons are absurd to me.
posted on 8/10/19
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posted on 8/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
The main difference with Klopp in his first part season with Liverpool is that he made various players better. Im not seeing any of that.
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Can't really remember that far back, but out of interest, who does this apply to?
Appreciate you feel you saw an improvement, but Klopp has pretty much replaced the entire first team, hasn't he?
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Firmino and Can were probably the biggest but most players improved upon their form under Rodgers.
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Okay thanks.. wasn't Firmino signed about 2 months before though?
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He was but he didn't look all that under Rodgers and was being played out wide. It was Klopp who decided to try him as a false 9 where he has since flourished.
posted on 8/10/19
He certainly didnt make any players worse.
posted on 8/10/19
comment by (U22183)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah there’s a fallacy that Klopp improves Liverpool’s team to what they are through coaching
He has bought basically that entire first XI, if you go back to when he joined there was no Allison, VVD, Matip, TAA, Robertson, Fabinho, wijnaldum, firmino, salah or mane. That’s 10 out of the first XI that he has bought or in TAA case promoted.
Completely different team to what he took over in 15. So can’t use the Klopp improved what Liverpool had argument to beat Ole with
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This is the impression I had.
Doesn't mean he's not a great coach and doesn't mean that we can't draw differences between his first 6 months and Ole's.
But it does suggest that Klopp required a fairly radical overhaul and that wasn't a Liverpool in disarray.
And let's not forget that Liverpool finished 8th in Klopp's first season - albeit not a full season, but still.
posted on 8/10/19
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
The main difference with Klopp in his first part season with Liverpool is that he made various players better. Im not seeing any of that.
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Can't really remember that far back, but out of interest, who does this apply to?
Appreciate you feel you saw an improvement, but Klopp has pretty much replaced the entire first team, hasn't he?
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Firmino and Can were probably the biggest but most players improved upon their form under Rodgers.
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Okay thanks.. wasn't Firmino signed about 2 months before though?
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He was but he didn't look all that under Rodgers and was being played out wide. It was Klopp who decided to try him as a false 9 where he has since flourished.
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Fair dos.
I do think sometimes though that a manager's past is romanticised if things have gone well in the recent past.
I know the game has moved on but honestly, some of the football under SAF in those first few years was pretty poor. We look back and we talk about it as the block building for what came after, but that's not what was being said at the time.
posted on 8/10/19
Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
He certainly didnt make any players worse.
Who has Ole made worse, sorry?
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Football Club not PLC Glazers out (U22256)
posted 16 seconds ago
Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
He certainly didnt make any players worse.
Who has Ole made worse, sorry?
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Rashford looks broken.
posted on 8/10/19
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posted on 8/10/19
Lingard playing the worst football of his career.
posted on 8/10/19
Did Mourinho get fully paid off by United, or is he still on your wage bill?
posted on 8/10/19
Think Jesse, sadly has not really hit the height since LVG's farewell against palace in the cup. Rashford is struggling, but he isn't getting service from a crap midfield and again he is not a centre forward. We just got rid of De Gea's GK coach which he insisted was hired a few years ago - again who lets a player chose a coach. He will improve again now I am sure.
posted on 8/10/19
So, only 3 players playing "worse" (measured by arbitrary means) under Ole compared to before. Well, with the 3 he got in I guess he is on par then by that insightful analysis. thanks chaps.
posted on 8/10/19
Has Ole really improved a single player? At a push, McT but he was already playing well under Jose
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lingard playing the worst football of his career.
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Has he ever played good football?
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Football Club not PLC Glazers out (U22256)
posted 2 minutes ago
So, only 3 players playing "worse" (measured by arbitrary means) under Ole compared to before. Well, with the 3 he got in I guess he is on par then by that insightful analysis. thanks chaps.
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Nah youre right mate actually, he's doing a grand job and getting the most out of what he has at his disposal.
posted on 8/10/19
I just like to thank Robb and the rest of the liverpool fans for all their concern at this time
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lingard playing the worst football of his career.
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Has he ever played good football?
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He was half decent under LVg and Jose
Since Ole joined he’s had something like 2 goals and 1 assist
posted on 8/10/19
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posted on 8/10/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 20 seconds ago
I just like to thank Robb and the rest of the liverpool fans for all their concern at this time
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It’s sad you can’t see the car crash happening in front of us
posted on 8/10/19
If you pull apart a squad and it takes time to replace many of the key positions, it's not exactly a fecking surprise that the players remaining will look worse for a period of time.
These players will look a lot better with central midfield resolved, I have no doubt about that.
This overly simplistic view of football is frustrating.
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