comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
So you are saying we should have stuck with Moyes?
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SAF said that in his final address to OT.
Robb is spot on in regards to player power, but keeping the players and removing the manager every couple of years is playing into and feeding that paradigm.
The board need to back a manager ans make it clear to the players that he is more valued than them.
RVN & Beckham were certainly shown that!
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 24 minutes ago
We came 11th, 12th & 13th under Fergie.
We also (thanks to patience and sticking with him until he could rebuild the whole club) won two doubles in three years (so close to three in three) then won the Treble, not to mention finally overtaking the seemingly impossible 18 titles.
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Again, totally different.
We had a bunch of pssheads playing for us and hadn't won a title in night on 20 years.
Youth system was trash and the board knew it was a rebuild of great magnitude.
People keep saying Fergie left us in a mess?
Biggest load of carp I've ever heard. We'd just won the league ffs. By a huge margin. Regardless of age of players I keep seeing people say "give Ole time, its impossible to bridge a 20 point gap in one season.
Except if Fergie retires, right?
You don't see the parallels?
SAF had to come in to a "sleeping giant" club and root out the bad wood, to rebuild and get them going again.
In the process things actually got pretty bad before they got better (11th, 12th, 13th).
Can you really not see the same thing is needed now?
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 14 seconds ago
You don't see the parallels?
SAF had to come in to a "sleeping giant" club and root out the bad wood, to rebuild and get them going again.
In the process things actually got pretty bad before they got better (11th, 12th, 13th).
Can you really not see the same thing is needed now?
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Very true, whether Ole is the right man though is questionable.
Nobb was one of the know it alls who argued with me when I said SAF needed to replace the old guard of Giggs, Neville and Scholes.
It never happened and we are where we now are.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 14 seconds ago
You don't see the parallels?
SAF had to come in to a "sleeping giant" club and root out the bad wood, to rebuild and get them going again.
In the process things actually got pretty bad before they got better (11th, 12th, 13th).
Can you really not see the same thing is needed now?
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Very true, whether Ole is the right man though is questionable.
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I think that he is the right man to identify/make the signings and bring through the youth. Difficult to say what he is capable in terms of management with this current squad. He does need to raise his game though on this seasons showing.
Agree that it is questionable, but back in 1989 it was questionable about Fergie too (hence the banner).
At some point, we are going to have to give somebody time, the rot has run too deep for an overnight fix.
in the late 80s it made no sense to stick with the manager, 13th was just unacceptable, yet stick with him we did. There was no guarantee that it would actually work out...
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 14 minutes ago
Agree that it is questionable, but back in 1989 it was questionable about Fergie too (hence the banner).
At some point, we are going to have to give somebody time, the rot has run too deep for an overnight fix.
in the late 80s it made no sense to stick with the manager, 13th was just unacceptable, yet stick with him we did. There was no guarantee that it would actually work out...
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We had also come 2nd with him as manager too before there was a dip
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
wasn't Robb just out of nappies when Fergie first took over?
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
wasn't Robb just out of nappies when Fergie first took over?
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And? You were probably in nappies when WW2 happened but I’m sure you know a fair bit about it
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 29 minutes ago
Agree that it is questionable, but back in 1989 it was questionable about Fergie too (hence the banner).
At some point, we are going to have to give somebody time, the rot has run too deep for an overnight fix.
in the late 80s it made no sense to stick with the manager, 13th was just unacceptable, yet stick with him we did. There was no guarantee that it would actually work out...
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My thoughts too.
Didn't even Fergie got almost sacked, before things turned around for him?
I think the problem is that the current crop of fans are very, now and here type. They want to win now and here. They don't fancy waiting. That's why Klopp changed his football preaching from nurturing the youth to spending huge on players like he did to turn things around. City have too.
So I can see the current crop of fans, the ones born in 2000 and later, not wanting to wait.
They want a manager who's got the ball to knock on Edwards door and demand 5-6 players to be signed, of course, these players are marquee.
The odd united fan that is willing to wait and see, and give Ole a chance, are getting rarer every time United drop points on rivals.
I haven't seen any passion in Ole, though the same was true as a player.
Also, the formation doesn't inspire confidence and why play Fred? Who is this imposture?
How does this guy play at the highest level? ffs, I should sue someone!
Well, we re probably 3 floors up from where you guys are, and we need to turn it around. Though we do have a gutsy manager who isn't afraid to stand for his beliefs and will go to Levy and argue it out
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posted 9 seconds ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 15 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
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That doesn't alter the fact that Scrotesacks method was flawed Robb, which was the point I was making.
Poor old Nobb.
Missing the point as usual. Wooosh.
And? You were probably in nappies when WW2 happened but I’m sure you know a fair bit about it
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I do know a very lot about it, but I didn't live through it or fight in it. Nor do I claim to have.
BTW: Tommy Doc actually got us relegated, but he turned out to be the most best and most popular manager with the OT faithful United had between Busby and Fergie.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 9 seconds ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 15 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
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That doesn't alter the fact that Scrotesacks method was flawed Robb, which was the point I was making.
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How the fack is it flawed?
I posted what each manager had acheived prior to their appointments at United (even being kind to OGS and leaving out the fact he failed badly at Cardiff as I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt for that one).
You started blabbing on about their first few years of management for some reason
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
And? You were probably in nappies when WW2 happened but I’m sure you know a fair bit about it
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I do know a very lot about it, but I didn't live through it or fight in it. Nor do I claim to have.
BTW: Tommy Doc actually got us relegated, but he turned out to be the most best and most popular manager with the OT faithful United had between Busby and Fergie.
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Yes, I do know of how popular the Doc was as I do have a fine grasp of footballing history
I also know that the football played was infinitely better than Ole and he actually had some sort of personality
If Ole showed any promise whatsoever you’d have more people fighting his corner but a huge swath of the footballing side can see the obvious - he’s a lot closer to a Dave Sexton than he is close to a Doc
If only Ed had listened to fans like me and not appointed a manger until the end of the season.
Instead he listened to the likes of Nobb and appointed Ole after the Paris result.
You can't make the idiocy of Nobb up.
If only Ed had listened to fans like me and not appointed a manger until the end of the season.
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Of all the crazy things Ed has done this was the craziest.
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Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
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That doesn't alter the fact that Scrotesacks method was flawed Robb, which was the point I was making.
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How the fack is it flawed?
I posted what each manager had acheived prior to their appointments at United (even being kind to OGS and leaving out the fact he failed badly at Cardiff as I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt for that one).
You started blabbing on about their first few years of management for some reason
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The point being back in 1982 (at the same stage in his career as Ole), had SAF been given the job at OT, you would probably have argued that he wasn't ready for the job. Only the hindsight of knowing what he then won after 1982 skews the comparison hugely in his favour.
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posted on 8/10/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
So you are saying we should have stuck with Moyes?
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SAF said that in his final address to OT.
posted on 8/10/19
Robb is spot on in regards to player power, but keeping the players and removing the manager every couple of years is playing into and feeding that paradigm.
The board need to back a manager ans make it clear to the players that he is more valued than them.
RVN & Beckham were certainly shown that!
posted on 8/10/19
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 24 minutes ago
We came 11th, 12th & 13th under Fergie.
We also (thanks to patience and sticking with him until he could rebuild the whole club) won two doubles in three years (so close to three in three) then won the Treble, not to mention finally overtaking the seemingly impossible 18 titles.
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Again, totally different.
We had a bunch of pssheads playing for us and hadn't won a title in night on 20 years.
Youth system was trash and the board knew it was a rebuild of great magnitude.
People keep saying Fergie left us in a mess?
Biggest load of carp I've ever heard. We'd just won the league ffs. By a huge margin. Regardless of age of players I keep seeing people say "give Ole time, its impossible to bridge a 20 point gap in one season.
Except if Fergie retires, right?
posted on 8/10/19
You don't see the parallels?
SAF had to come in to a "sleeping giant" club and root out the bad wood, to rebuild and get them going again.
In the process things actually got pretty bad before they got better (11th, 12th, 13th).
Can you really not see the same thing is needed now?
posted on 8/10/19
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 14 seconds ago
You don't see the parallels?
SAF had to come in to a "sleeping giant" club and root out the bad wood, to rebuild and get them going again.
In the process things actually got pretty bad before they got better (11th, 12th, 13th).
Can you really not see the same thing is needed now?
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Very true, whether Ole is the right man though is questionable.
posted on 8/10/19
Nobb was one of the know it alls who argued with me when I said SAF needed to replace the old guard of Giggs, Neville and Scholes.
It never happened and we are where we now are.
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 14 seconds ago
You don't see the parallels?
SAF had to come in to a "sleeping giant" club and root out the bad wood, to rebuild and get them going again.
In the process things actually got pretty bad before they got better (11th, 12th, 13th).
Can you really not see the same thing is needed now?
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Very true, whether Ole is the right man though is questionable.
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I think that he is the right man to identify/make the signings and bring through the youth. Difficult to say what he is capable in terms of management with this current squad. He does need to raise his game though on this seasons showing.
posted on 8/10/19
Agree that it is questionable, but back in 1989 it was questionable about Fergie too (hence the banner).
At some point, we are going to have to give somebody time, the rot has run too deep for an overnight fix.
in the late 80s it made no sense to stick with the manager, 13th was just unacceptable, yet stick with him we did. There was no guarantee that it would actually work out...
posted on 8/10/19
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
posted on 8/10/19
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 14 minutes ago
Agree that it is questionable, but back in 1989 it was questionable about Fergie too (hence the banner).
At some point, we are going to have to give somebody time, the rot has run too deep for an overnight fix.
in the late 80s it made no sense to stick with the manager, 13th was just unacceptable, yet stick with him we did. There was no guarantee that it would actually work out...
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We had also come 2nd with him as manager too before there was a dip
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
-----------------------
SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
posted on 8/10/19
wasn't Robb just out of nappies when Fergie first took over?
posted on 8/10/19
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
wasn't Robb just out of nappies when Fergie first took over?
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And? You were probably in nappies when WW2 happened but I’m sure you know a fair bit about it
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
posted on 8/10/19
comment by funnyoldgame feels twitchy!!! (U17347)
posted 29 minutes ago
Agree that it is questionable, but back in 1989 it was questionable about Fergie too (hence the banner).
At some point, we are going to have to give somebody time, the rot has run too deep for an overnight fix.
in the late 80s it made no sense to stick with the manager, 13th was just unacceptable, yet stick with him we did. There was no guarantee that it would actually work out...
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My thoughts too.
Didn't even Fergie got almost sacked, before things turned around for him?
I think the problem is that the current crop of fans are very, now and here type. They want to win now and here. They don't fancy waiting. That's why Klopp changed his football preaching from nurturing the youth to spending huge on players like he did to turn things around. City have too.
So I can see the current crop of fans, the ones born in 2000 and later, not wanting to wait.
They want a manager who's got the ball to knock on Edwards door and demand 5-6 players to be signed, of course, these players are marquee.
The odd united fan that is willing to wait and see, and give Ole a chance, are getting rarer every time United drop points on rivals.
I haven't seen any passion in Ole, though the same was true as a player.
Also, the formation doesn't inspire confidence and why play Fred? Who is this imposture?
How does this guy play at the highest level? ffs, I should sue someone!
Well, we re probably 3 floors up from where you guys are, and we need to turn it around. Though we do have a gutsy manager who isn't afraid to stand for his beliefs and will go to Levy and argue it out
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
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Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
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That doesn't alter the fact that Scrotesacks method was flawed Robb, which was the point I was making.
posted on 8/10/19
Poor old Nobb.
Missing the point as usual. Wooosh.
posted on 8/10/19
And? You were probably in nappies when WW2 happened but I’m sure you know a fair bit about it
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I do know a very lot about it, but I didn't live through it or fight in it. Nor do I claim to have.
BTW: Tommy Doc actually got us relegated, but he turned out to be the most best and most popular manager with the OT faithful United had between Busby and Fergie.
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
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So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
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That doesn't alter the fact that Scrotesacks method was flawed Robb, which was the point I was making.
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How the fack is it flawed?
I posted what each manager had acheived prior to their appointments at United (even being kind to OGS and leaving out the fact he failed badly at Cardiff as I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt for that one).
You started blabbing on about their first few years of management for some reason
posted on 8/10/19
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
And? You were probably in nappies when WW2 happened but I’m sure you know a fair bit about it
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I do know a very lot about it, but I didn't live through it or fight in it. Nor do I claim to have.
BTW: Tommy Doc actually got us relegated, but he turned out to be the most best and most popular manager with the OT faithful United had between Busby and Fergie.
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Yes, I do know of how popular the Doc was as I do have a fine grasp of footballing history
I also know that the football played was infinitely better than Ole and he actually had some sort of personality
If Ole showed any promise whatsoever you’d have more people fighting his corner but a huge swath of the footballing side can see the obvious - he’s a lot closer to a Dave Sexton than he is close to a Doc
posted on 8/10/19
If only Ed had listened to fans like me and not appointed a manger until the end of the season.
Instead he listened to the likes of Nobb and appointed Ole after the Paris result.
You can't make the idiocy of Nobb up.
posted on 8/10/19
If only Ed had listened to fans like me and not appointed a manger until the end of the season.
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Of all the crazy things Ed has done this was the craziest.
posted on 8/10/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hilarious to compare a guy who had just won:
St Mirren
Scottish First Division: 1976–77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
Drybrough Cup: 1980
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
European Super Cup: 1983
......With Ole
Molde
Tippeligaen: 2011, 2012
Norwegian Football Cup: 2013
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SAF won 4 trophies in hist first 8 years in management. Ole has won 3.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what? He won some trophies in Norway which is equivalent to maybe conference football?
Fergie before joining United had taken Aberdeen to three league titles (beating powerhouses of that era Rangers and Celtic) and won the facking European Cup Winners' Cup + European Super Cup with them
Are you actually mental?
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Just pointing out that your method of comparing what one manager won in his first 12 years of management against what another has won in his first 8 years of management is flawed.
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Yes but SAF proved himself in a relevant league before taking over a United side that hadn’t really done a whole lot for 20 years so that was a natural appointment
Ole however had failed his audition at Cardiff for a bigger job and was tasked with doing something he had no real relevant experience in
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That doesn't alter the fact that Scrotesacks method was flawed Robb, which was the point I was making.
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How the fack is it flawed?
I posted what each manager had acheived prior to their appointments at United (even being kind to OGS and leaving out the fact he failed badly at Cardiff as I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt for that one).
You started blabbing on about their first few years of management for some reason
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The point being back in 1982 (at the same stage in his career as Ole), had SAF been given the job at OT, you would probably have argued that he wasn't ready for the job. Only the hindsight of knowing what he then won after 1982 skews the comparison hugely in his favour.
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