comment by Poolmyfinger - TAA & Robbo Deliver Better Than Amazon (U12438)
posted 9 seconds ago
I personally think that if a solo fan participates in racial abuse, ban the fan but don't punish the country or club.

If it's a hoard of fans whether organized or not, then take action against the country or club.
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I think you could still punish the club. They too need to do everything to make sure people like that aren’t on the terraces.

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comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
So you’ve paid hundreds of pounds and taken time off work to travel across Europe to support England and some local nobheads start shouting racial abuse and you want the game ended and forfeited immediately?

Really thought this one through haven’t you
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There were hundreds.
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Doesnt change the point
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Depends what you consider to be of more importance.

Perhaps a fine by UEFA to the Bulgarian FA which could then be used to reimburse fans that had traveled over.
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Well just my opinion, but i dont think they looked bothered if it got cancelled at 0-4 down at ht. Why cant the action happen now. When no innocent fans get punished?

Thought Ian Wright was spot on with his comments tonight.

There’s clearly a lot of education required when you have Bulgarians doing Natzi salutes... (banned word there rather than spelling!)

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Just be grateful that it's at least progress. The threat of abandoning the game after 2 warnings seems to have already achieved far more than any fine has.

Let's have that rule enforced in England first. Plenty still happens here.

Booting them out of the competition would be the ideal scenario. But tonight was the first time I have seen them actually doing something. The threat of abandoning the match did seem to deter them. Obviously it's baby steps but at least we are finally heading in the right direction.

comment by Poolmyfinger - TAA & Robbo Deliver Better Than Amazon (U12438)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Poolmyfinger - TAA & Robbo Deliver Better Than Amazon (U12438)
posted 9 seconds ago
I personally think that if a solo fan participates in racial abuse, ban the fan but don't punish the country or club.

If it's a hoard of fans whether organized or not, then take action against the country or club.
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I think you could still punish the club. They too need to do everything to make sure people like that aren’t on the terraces.
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Under your idea, then you run the risk of a "fake fan" ruining it for that country or club.

For example, as a liverpool supporter, I dislike United. Why not go abroad to Old Trafford, yell a few racist things at an opposition player, only to see United get punished?

It's easier to pull that off than let's say a horde of fans doing it.
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Maybe I’m wrong but I can’t imagine a Liverpool fan going into Old Trafford, making racist chants and being arrested all so the club gets fined. They’d have to be pretty warped.

I think having read all the comments, the best solution is to remove the team from the tournament when a large contingent of fans do this sort of thing.

comment by Poolmyfinger - TAA & Robbo Deliver Better Than Amazon (U12438)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Poolmyfinger - TAA & Robbo Deliver Better Than Amazon (U12438)
posted 9 seconds ago
I personally think that if a solo fan participates in racial abuse, ban the fan but don't punish the country or club.

If it's a hoard of fans whether organized or not, then take action against the country or club.
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I think you could still punish the club. They too need to do everything to make sure people like that aren’t on the terraces.
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Under your idea, then you run the risk of a "fake fan" ruining it for that country or club.

For example, as a liverpool supporter, I dislike United. Why not go abroad to Old Trafford, yell a few racist things at an opposition player, only to see United get punished?

It's easier to pull that off than let's say a horde of fans doing it.
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1, surely know ones that sad. 2, when they catch u on cctv, might find out your not a utd fan.

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Poolmyfinger - TAA & Robbo Deliver Better Than Amazon (U12438)
posted 9 seconds ago
I personally think that if a solo fan participates in racial abuse, ban the fan but don't punish the country or club.

If it's a hoard of fans whether organized or not, then take action against the country or club.
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I think you could still punish the club. They too need to do everything to make sure people like that aren’t on the terraces.

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But until that person has shown themselves, then what can you do?

Clubs in this country are sh!te hot on it nowadays and act accordingly.

What I thought was silly tonight and slightly laughable, was the guy in charge of the whole thing “the UEFA delegate” was from Italy. Another bunch of caaaaants who do rack all to combat racism.

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Fair enough. But then utd would prove that it wasnt a regular fan and just some mental case.

comment by Poolmyfinger - TAA & Robbo Deliver Better Than Amazon (U12438)
posted 1 minute ago
If you're going to ban a club over the actions of a single fan, then clubs are better off playing behind closed doors.
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Ye i agree. I didnt see the other parts of the argument sorry.. just saw that bit.

All in all I think it's positive. These are new systems, the powers that be are all working together and its great to see the players, manager, ref and stadium all talking together. Watching their player plead with their own fans was new too.

Is it good enough? Probably not but it is progress.

Odd comments from Bulgarian manager there

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comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 55 minutes ago
Odd comments from Bulgarian manager there
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Ye doesnt make you think bulgaria are ready to change..

Bulgarian manager going full Wenger with the "I didn't hear it", "I wasn't aware of it". Sounds like a complete clown.

When you have the manager not really willing to speak out against it, as with that Italian manager not so long ago who said his racially abused player had to just deal with it, or along those lines, you know the problem runs deeper in society in those countries.

That's the difference between progressive countries and those that still need to be educated.

I mean we still have our issues in this country but when they happen there is a general sense of embarrassment and shame and an inquest as to what needs to be done.

But our incidents are a drop in the ocean compared to what is going on in these places. Until there is a sense of embarrassment and shame its going to be difficult for them to progress.

comment by Frasier Crane (U3979)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago

What's the threshold, one fan, 10 fans?

The protocol if enforced is fine. Far far far more people suffer from the match being abandoned
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How will they suffer if the match is abandoned?

I don't agree with this argument. First off anyone who still wants to enjoy a spectacle marred by racist chanting and abuse should have another look at themselves. I mean, they don't care enough or what? You want to keep watching and pretend you don't hear the racism just because you love the game so much?

Personally I would want no part in such a spectacle and would be glad to see a game infested with hate and abuse called off. My enjoyment of it can take a back seat and when the racism stops, I will be able to enjoy the game much better.

So let them do whatever needs to be done and I'll take the hit in exchange for a better future where I won't witness human beings being treated like garbage because of skin colour.

Its not worth it in my moral balance opinion.

However, a match should only be abandoned in clear and obvious cases like when sections of the crowd are doing it. If its a few individuals then other forms of action should be taken or introduced.

There’s been a build up of publicity to this game following Abrahams comments. I think it served as an additional attraction to the kind of vermin who were making their vile chants and salutes such was their desire for attention.

The same vermin will be back watching football when the media have left and that’s where the problems lies. They should all be identified and banned but the Bulgarian managers comments tell you all you need to know.

It’s time for Bulgaria to be expelled indefinitely until the culture of the country has changed. As John Barnes commented a while back the issue is much more deep rooted than it appears.

in the end the Bulgarian fa and police had every opportunity over months and indeed years to weed it out and have not done it.

expulsion from euros and world.cup. that's the only answer

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