Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
It’s just a bit deluded. They are figures that the very best attacking duos in prem history have managed only once or twice. In far better teams than ours.
You are too quick to extrapolate small goal scoring sample sizes for our players. You did it last season with Rashford when he played up top to begin with under Ole. Yet here we are months later and he’s struggled to find the net bar pens.
Players as flawed and inconsistent as Martial and Rashford just don’t have the capability to score that amount of goals. Especially in a team that has no creativity.
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I agree that they will struggle in a team with no creativity. As I have said, I didn't expect that to be the case, but Ole is stifling the creativity by playing Pogba too deep. It also doesn't help that all of our most influential attacking players have struggled with injuries.
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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Agree with this, but until it's tested and proven it's all opinions.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DD-COMPOSITE-DE-GEA-ROMERO.jpg?strip=all&w=960
Its easy to keep clean sheets at Man Utd. Just ask Romero. Honestly think we would have conceded a lot less since March if Romero played as we have been conceding goals most keepers would expect to save regularly since then.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 12 hours, 10 minutes ago
I’ve arguing against it all summer it brings me great joy to read Rob criticising Maguire’s lack of pace.
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Surely now you can finally admit you were wrong
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Imagine what we’d have done with that £80m if we’d have been after a midfielder. Looking forward to seeing who we waste that sort of money on next.
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We’d have scraped together another £10m from somewhere and spent £90m on Sean Longstaff, probably throwing Gomes and Garner in for good measure.
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
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Where he is better/of best use to the team wasn't the discussion though was it? It was about the number of goals he will score. If he players centrally then I am confident that he will get more chances and more goals and that he will be a 1 in 2 striker.
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
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Where he is better/of best use to the team wasn't the discussion though was it? It was about the number of goals he will score. If he players centrally then I am confident that he will get more chances and more goals and that he will be a 1 in 2 striker.
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I'm not.
He suits playing out wide far better. And its not like we create loads of chances.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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He’s always been far too inconsistent a player to expect 20 goals a season from and playing centrally is a lot different to playing on the wing. In some ways harder to score goals for someone not used to playing there.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
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Where he is better/of best use to the team wasn't the discussion though was it? It was about the number of goals he will score. If he players centrally then I am confident that he will get more chances and more goals and that he will be a 1 in 2 striker.
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I'm not.
He suits playing out wide far better. And its not like we create loads of chances.
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Well, only time will tell. Far too early to say after 2 games up there in the PL, but so far he has had more chances and scored more goals per game than playing out wide. A very small data set though.
We certainly need to create more chances for our forwards, whoever that may be. A point I have already addressed when I said I didn't expect Pogba to play so deep.
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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He’s always been far too inconsistent a player to expect 20 goals a season from and playing centrally is a lot different to playing on the wing. In some ways harder to score goals for someone not used to playing there.
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It really depends on the player Robb. He needs to adapt his game a little, but he has the ability to score plenty centrally in the right set-up.
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
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posted 43 seconds ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
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How many shots did they each have ?
Lets get Utd to double figures first I reckon.
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
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How many shots did they each have ?
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Have a look on the PL website, it's all on there.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
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How many shots did they each have ?
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Have a look on the PL website, it's all on there.
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Cant be bothered. I'm confident that Kane and Aguero have got into far more shooting / scoring positions than Martial has.
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posted on 16/10/19
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 13 minutes ago
It’s just a bit deluded. They are figures that the very best attacking duos in prem history have managed only once or twice. In far better teams than ours.
You are too quick to extrapolate small goal scoring sample sizes for our players. You did it last season with Rashford when he played up top to begin with under Ole. Yet here we are months later and he’s struggled to find the net bar pens.
Players as flawed and inconsistent as Martial and Rashford just don’t have the capability to score that amount of goals. Especially in a team that has no creativity.
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I agree that they will struggle in a team with no creativity. As I have said, I didn't expect that to be the case, but Ole is stifling the creativity by playing Pogba too deep. It also doesn't help that all of our most influential attacking players have struggled with injuries.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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Agree with this, but until it's tested and proven it's all opinions.
posted on 16/10/19
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DD-COMPOSITE-DE-GEA-ROMERO.jpg?strip=all&w=960
Its easy to keep clean sheets at Man Utd. Just ask Romero. Honestly think we would have conceded a lot less since March if Romero played as we have been conceding goals most keepers would expect to save regularly since then.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 12 hours, 10 minutes ago
I’ve arguing against it all summer it brings me great joy to read Rob criticising Maguire’s lack of pace.
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Surely now you can finally admit you were wrong
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
Imagine what we’d have done with that £80m if we’d have been after a midfielder. Looking forward to seeing who we waste that sort of money on next.
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We’d have scraped together another £10m from somewhere and spent £90m on Sean Longstaff, probably throwing Gomes and Garner in for good measure.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
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Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
---------------------
Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
---------------------
Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
---------------------
Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
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He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
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Where he is better/of best use to the team wasn't the discussion though was it? It was about the number of goals he will score. If he players centrally then I am confident that he will get more chances and more goals and that he will be a 1 in 2 striker.
posted on 16/10/19
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
---------------------
Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
---------------------
He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
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Where he is better/of best use to the team wasn't the discussion though was it? It was about the number of goals he will score. If he players centrally then I am confident that he will get more chances and more goals and that he will be a 1 in 2 striker.
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I'm not.
He suits playing out wide far better. And its not like we create loads of chances.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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He’s always been far too inconsistent a player to expect 20 goals a season from and playing centrally is a lot different to playing on the wing. In some ways harder to score goals for someone not used to playing there.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 13 minutes ago
Shocking returns for United strikers.
Rashford might get 10 including pens
Martial might get 12
---------------------
Martial is a 1 in 2 striker for me if he is actually playing centrally. He has a good conversion rate, but has played most of his games for us our wide, so doesn't get as many chances. If he remained fit for the majority of the season I think he'd score approaching 20 league goals. Not likely to happen now having already missed 5 games. To be fair to Martial, he hasn't done much wrong this season. 3 league starts, 2 goals and 1 assist. Just a shame he has been injured.
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He has never been a 1 in 2 striker and cant see him ever being one. He doesnt have the attitude to fulfill his potential.
---------------------
He has a conversion rate that is up there with the likes of Aguero and Kane. It is just that he has operated in wider areas rather than centrally and thus doesn't get as many opportunities. Hard to be a 1 in 2 striker when you aren't actually being played as a striker isn't it?
There are certainly question marks over his attitude, but even so he has the ability to be a 1 in 2 striker. Hopefully he can stay fit for a while and bring some goals back to the team.
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Who is to say hed have got as many as he has so far from central rather than out wide?
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Your central striker tends to get more chances to score than your wide forwards. Unless the striker is a target man that you play off, which Martial certainly isn't. He is going to get more chances to score centrally and as he finishing is pretty good, he will score more goals.
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I disagree. Better from the left where his pace and skill can be used.
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Where he is better/of best use to the team wasn't the discussion though was it? It was about the number of goals he will score. If he players centrally then I am confident that he will get more chances and more goals and that he will be a 1 in 2 striker.
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I'm not.
He suits playing out wide far better. And its not like we create loads of chances.
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Well, only time will tell. Far too early to say after 2 games up there in the PL, but so far he has had more chances and scored more goals per game than playing out wide. A very small data set though.
We certainly need to create more chances for our forwards, whoever that may be. A point I have already addressed when I said I didn't expect Pogba to play so deep.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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He’s always been far too inconsistent a player to expect 20 goals a season from and playing centrally is a lot different to playing on the wing. In some ways harder to score goals for someone not used to playing there.
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It really depends on the player Robb. He needs to adapt his game a little, but he has the ability to score plenty centrally in the right set-up.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
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How many shots did they each have ?
posted on 16/10/19
Lets get Utd to double figures first I reckon.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
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How many shots did they each have ?
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Have a look on the PL website, it's all on there.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
You also assume though that he’s going to be effective as a central striker which at this point is too big a leap to be able to put a number next to expectations
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I'm just going on what I have seen of him Robb. He is a good finisher and your strikers tend to get more chances than your wide players. He got 10 league last season having only started 18 games and playing mainly wide. I don't think that it is a huge jump to expect that he can get approaching 20 in a season where he plays centrally, assuming he doesn't miss too much of the season through injury.
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I also think his finishing ability is overstated
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Well he has a better conversion rate in the PL than both Aguero and Kane, despite the fact that they are both regular penalty takers, which are obviously easy chances.
Kane - 1 goal every 5.55 shots (19 pens)
Aguero - 1 goal every 5.52 shots (26 pens)
Martial - 1 goal every 5.42 shots (2 pens)
I don't think that his finishing ability is overstated at all.
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How many shots did they each have ?
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Have a look on the PL website, it's all on there.
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Cant be bothered. I'm confident that Kane and Aguero have got into far more shooting / scoring positions than Martial has.
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