comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
The board have really facked themselves over this season really.
I’ve never been of the opinion that Ole is, or was even viewed by the board, as a good long term option for United. More that a number of factors forced their hand, most notably a lack of genuine top class coaches available.
I suspect they were happy enough to go into a transition season until a far better suited candidate became available - like a permanent interim coach.
I think they’ve overestimated both the quality of the squad and Ole’s managerial ability and things have ended up even worse than expected.
At some stage their hand will be forced if it carries on long this. But the problem is that we’ll likely end up with another interim coach until a bigger rep coach takes the job in the summer. That effectively will see another wasted season by the club.
The incompetence is unreal.
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We've got average players, under an average manager with an incompetent board. What could possibly go wrong?
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
It really is a mess.
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It's just lucky that our politicians are on hand to show us the way in terms of managing things.
I dunno really. I think the politicians have been pretty good in duping people into thinking this disaster is for the best. So they’ve done something right at least on that front. Most United fans now seem realise just how badly we are run as a club.
Unfortunately not looking likely anytime soon but the
Glazers really do need to go
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I dunno really. I think the politicians have been pretty good in duping people into thinking this disaster is for the best. So they’ve done something right at least on that front. Most United fans now seem realise just how badly we are run as a club.
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That's a fair comment! The amount of crazy people I see online stating that Brexit comes before everything boggles the mind! One bloke would even rather go without insulin and leave with no deal than remain!
I wonder if people on here would take relegation if it meant the Glazers would sell up
Maybe that’s what Ole is doing. Playing the long game
Ole in 🙋♂️
One bloke would even rather go without insulin and leave with no deal than remain!
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Part of me wants no deal to happen just for natural selection to take its course.
Why would the Glazers sell up if we got relegated? The share price would take an absolute hammering. There are really any circumstances on the pitch that will force them to sell. United is too big for it to ever not make them money either, even if the amounts can differ quite vastly.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
Why would the Glazers sell up if we got relegated? The share price would take an absolute hammering. There are really any circumstances on the pitch that will force them to sell. United is too big for it to ever not make them money either, even if the amounts can differ quite vastly.
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I dunno, the backlash might be insane if we’re relegated and I’m sure some Saudi trillionairre might Chuck a few billion at them and they’d be willing to sell for a huge profit.
Not that I’d particularly want a Saudi owner if he was linked to the royal family but I’m sure there is so much money out there the Glazers would make a mint if we did go down and they had enough
I do get your point about the share price. I noticed one of the glazers sold up the other day. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
One bloke would even rather go without insulin and leave with no deal than remain!
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Part of me wants no deal to happen just for natural selection to take its course.
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Some of the Brexiteers will get even more confused if/when Brexit happens as they'll be seeing some more people (non white) than they are now! It'll be some quandry for them!
I don't see the Glazers selling out any time soon but there surely will come a point when they see the incompetency of Woodward affecting the business.
Woodward gets all these plaudits for making deals when the reality is there's never been as much money in football as theres been since he took up the reigns
With UTDS worldwide fanbase in the 100's of millions it's not exactly a had sell is it
Do we know who the Brexiteers on our board are?
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 35 seconds ago
Do we know who the Brexiteers on our board are?
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Kung Fu, RDD, who else?
The funny thing is, Ed gets the blame for a lot of our bad signings and rightly so but I saw a comment on another football website that showed the transfer problems started back in 2007 and the vast majority of our signings have been poor even before Ed.
Which probably goes back to the Glazers being the real issue as well as Ed and others
I doubt they’d give a shiiiiiit. But let’s be sensible here, we aren’t getting facking relegated so it’s a pointless thing to bring up.
The Glazers best bet for selling is when the share price is at its highest. To achieve that the club needs to be successful. So if they’re looking to sell they’ll be doing their utmost best (to quote LVG) to fix the problems on the pitch.
They haven’t been doing that as they’re cleary happy enough with the club to plod along. It’ll make them loads of money each year anyway.
Kevin Glazer didn’t sell his shares, by the way.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I doubt they’d give a shiiiiiit. But let’s be sensible here, we aren’t getting facking relegated so it’s a pointless thing to bring up.
The Glazers best bet for selling is when the share price is at its highest. To achieve that the club needs to be successful. So if they’re looking to sell they’ll be doing their utmost best (to quote LVG) to fix the problems on the pitch.
They haven’t been doing that as they’re cleary happy enough with the club to plod along. It’ll make them loads of money each year anyway.
Kevin Glazer didn’t sell his shares, by the way.
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Didn’t he? Wonder why that changed (or whether it was just a BS story to begin with)
Just seen that McT is our joint top scorer since the start of April with 3 goals
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 46 seconds ago
Just seen that McT is our joint top scorer since the start of April with 3 goals
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Jose’s youth product success story ⚽️💝
He converted them into class a shares. Sky are saying it was just a technical issue but it may be to sell them in the future. But it’s a pretty small amount of shares with no power in the grand scheme of things. And from what I gather it’s Joel and Avram Glazer that are the major players at United as far as the family goes and they haven’t got any intention of selling up.
He Glazers could actually sell up all their shares but if one of them kept his class b shares that person would still have all the power at the club giving the voting power attached to each share.
The Glazers have been very clever about how they’ve secured their ownership, and control, of the football club.
We are stuck with this regime for the foreseeable.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
He converted them into class a shares. Sky are saying it was just a technical issue but it may be to sell them in the future. But it’s a pretty small amount of shares with no power in the grand scheme of things. And from what I gather it’s Joel and Avram Glazer that are the major players at United as far as the family goes and they haven’t got any intention of selling up.
He Glazers could actually sell up all their shares but if one of them kept his class b shares that person would still have all the power at the club giving the voting power attached to each share.
The Glazers have been very clever about how they’ve secured their ownership, and control, of the football club.
We are stuck with this regime for the foreseeable.
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At least we don’t have Peter Lim 😂
Just seen that McT is our joint top scorer since the start of April with 3 goals
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Jose’s youth product success story
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No idea how the hell you deduce that.
The current manager has got him playing how he now is.
We are stuck with this regime for the foreseeable.
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All of our fans need to understand this. It is reality.
Rob, I dunno, I’d say comparative to their resources they’ve been better than we have.
VC, yep it’s clearly the reality. People are so desperate for them to sell that they make giant leaps to find reasons for it happening, when it’s clearly not going to.
He converted them into class a shares. Sky are saying it was just a technical issue but it may be to sell them in the future.
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I read that the main reason for him doing it could be down to him not having permission from the other Glazers to sell to a new buyer so he's given up his voting rights to convert his Class B shares into Class A shares so they're readily available to sell on the NYSE whenever he wants.
It does mean though the Glazer voting power goes from 96.83% to 94.37%.
We're getting there.....
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I take it this isn't written by our own Rob
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posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
The board have really facked themselves over this season really.
I’ve never been of the opinion that Ole is, or was even viewed by the board, as a good long term option for United. More that a number of factors forced their hand, most notably a lack of genuine top class coaches available.
I suspect they were happy enough to go into a transition season until a far better suited candidate became available - like a permanent interim coach.
I think they’ve overestimated both the quality of the squad and Ole’s managerial ability and things have ended up even worse than expected.
At some stage their hand will be forced if it carries on long this. But the problem is that we’ll likely end up with another interim coach until a bigger rep coach takes the job in the summer. That effectively will see another wasted season by the club.
The incompetence is unreal.
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We've got average players, under an average manager with an incompetent board. What could possibly go wrong?
posted on 17/10/19
It really is a mess.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
It really is a mess.
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It's just lucky that our politicians are on hand to show us the way in terms of managing things.
posted on 17/10/19
I dunno really. I think the politicians have been pretty good in duping people into thinking this disaster is for the best. So they’ve done something right at least on that front. Most United fans now seem realise just how badly we are run as a club.
posted on 17/10/19
Unfortunately not looking likely anytime soon but the
Glazers really do need to go
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I dunno really. I think the politicians have been pretty good in duping people into thinking this disaster is for the best. So they’ve done something right at least on that front. Most United fans now seem realise just how badly we are run as a club.
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That's a fair comment! The amount of crazy people I see online stating that Brexit comes before everything boggles the mind! One bloke would even rather go without insulin and leave with no deal than remain!
posted on 17/10/19
I wonder if people on here would take relegation if it meant the Glazers would sell up
Maybe that’s what Ole is doing. Playing the long game
Ole in 🙋♂️
posted on 17/10/19
One bloke would even rather go without insulin and leave with no deal than remain!
———
Part of me wants no deal to happen just for natural selection to take its course.
posted on 17/10/19
Why would the Glazers sell up if we got relegated? The share price would take an absolute hammering. There are really any circumstances on the pitch that will force them to sell. United is too big for it to ever not make them money either, even if the amounts can differ quite vastly.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
Why would the Glazers sell up if we got relegated? The share price would take an absolute hammering. There are really any circumstances on the pitch that will force them to sell. United is too big for it to ever not make them money either, even if the amounts can differ quite vastly.
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I dunno, the backlash might be insane if we’re relegated and I’m sure some Saudi trillionairre might Chuck a few billion at them and they’d be willing to sell for a huge profit.
Not that I’d particularly want a Saudi owner if he was linked to the royal family but I’m sure there is so much money out there the Glazers would make a mint if we did go down and they had enough
I do get your point about the share price. I noticed one of the glazers sold up the other day. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
One bloke would even rather go without insulin and leave with no deal than remain!
———
Part of me wants no deal to happen just for natural selection to take its course.
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Some of the Brexiteers will get even more confused if/when Brexit happens as they'll be seeing some more people (non white) than they are now! It'll be some quandry for them!
I don't see the Glazers selling out any time soon but there surely will come a point when they see the incompetency of Woodward affecting the business.
posted on 17/10/19
Woodward gets all these plaudits for making deals when the reality is there's never been as much money in football as theres been since he took up the reigns
With UTDS worldwide fanbase in the 100's of millions it's not exactly a had sell is it
posted on 17/10/19
Do we know who the Brexiteers on our board are?
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 35 seconds ago
Do we know who the Brexiteers on our board are?
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Kung Fu, RDD, who else?
posted on 17/10/19
The funny thing is, Ed gets the blame for a lot of our bad signings and rightly so but I saw a comment on another football website that showed the transfer problems started back in 2007 and the vast majority of our signings have been poor even before Ed.
Which probably goes back to the Glazers being the real issue as well as Ed and others
posted on 17/10/19
I doubt they’d give a shiiiiiit. But let’s be sensible here, we aren’t getting facking relegated so it’s a pointless thing to bring up.
The Glazers best bet for selling is when the share price is at its highest. To achieve that the club needs to be successful. So if they’re looking to sell they’ll be doing their utmost best (to quote LVG) to fix the problems on the pitch.
They haven’t been doing that as they’re cleary happy enough with the club to plod along. It’ll make them loads of money each year anyway.
Kevin Glazer didn’t sell his shares, by the way.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I doubt they’d give a shiiiiiit. But let’s be sensible here, we aren’t getting facking relegated so it’s a pointless thing to bring up.
The Glazers best bet for selling is when the share price is at its highest. To achieve that the club needs to be successful. So if they’re looking to sell they’ll be doing their utmost best (to quote LVG) to fix the problems on the pitch.
They haven’t been doing that as they’re cleary happy enough with the club to plod along. It’ll make them loads of money each year anyway.
Kevin Glazer didn’t sell his shares, by the way.
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Didn’t he? Wonder why that changed (or whether it was just a BS story to begin with)
posted on 17/10/19
Just seen that McT is our joint top scorer since the start of April with 3 goals
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 46 seconds ago
Just seen that McT is our joint top scorer since the start of April with 3 goals
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Jose’s youth product success story ⚽️💝
posted on 17/10/19
He converted them into class a shares. Sky are saying it was just a technical issue but it may be to sell them in the future. But it’s a pretty small amount of shares with no power in the grand scheme of things. And from what I gather it’s Joel and Avram Glazer that are the major players at United as far as the family goes and they haven’t got any intention of selling up.
He Glazers could actually sell up all their shares but if one of them kept his class b shares that person would still have all the power at the club giving the voting power attached to each share.
The Glazers have been very clever about how they’ve secured their ownership, and control, of the football club.
We are stuck with this regime for the foreseeable.
posted on 17/10/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
He converted them into class a shares. Sky are saying it was just a technical issue but it may be to sell them in the future. But it’s a pretty small amount of shares with no power in the grand scheme of things. And from what I gather it’s Joel and Avram Glazer that are the major players at United as far as the family goes and they haven’t got any intention of selling up.
He Glazers could actually sell up all their shares but if one of them kept his class b shares that person would still have all the power at the club giving the voting power attached to each share.
The Glazers have been very clever about how they’ve secured their ownership, and control, of the football club.
We are stuck with this regime for the foreseeable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At least we don’t have Peter Lim 😂
posted on 17/10/19
Just seen that McT is our joint top scorer since the start of April with 3 goals
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Jose’s youth product success story
.....................
No idea how the hell you deduce that.
The current manager has got him playing how he now is.
posted on 17/10/19
We are stuck with this regime for the foreseeable.
................
All of our fans need to understand this. It is reality.
posted on 17/10/19
Rob, I dunno, I’d say comparative to their resources they’ve been better than we have.
VC, yep it’s clearly the reality. People are so desperate for them to sell that they make giant leaps to find reasons for it happening, when it’s clearly not going to.
posted on 17/10/19
He converted them into class a shares. Sky are saying it was just a technical issue but it may be to sell them in the future.
------------------------------------------------
I read that the main reason for him doing it could be down to him not having permission from the other Glazers to sell to a new buyer so he's given up his voting rights to convert his Class B shares into Class A shares so they're readily available to sell on the NYSE whenever he wants.
It does mean though the Glazer voting power goes from 96.83% to 94.37%.
We're getting there.....
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