comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Izzy... Thanks for the memories (U3410)
posted 13 minutes ago
He's no fvcking chance of getting it through a vote on Saturday

More paralysis and tbh there's no further room for comprise on either side.

Either leave with no deal and throw thousands out of work or another referendum with remain on the ballot paper.
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So leave without a deal is how off the table?

And remain should not be on the table either btw
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So a referendum with one option
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comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 seconds ago
Bollox.

Why should there be a remain option on any referendum irrespective of whether there should be a referendum at all?

We voted leave as the UK. That’s it. None of your nonsense about “we didn’t undreamed what we were doing”. Arrogant self serving piiish of the worts order.

If it’s voted down then we should just leave. End of.
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A second referendum once terms were agreed should have been the approach from day 1. Why wouldn't you want to do a vote once terms were known would be madness not to.

It's absolutely not arrogant to say people didn't know what they voted for. I agree many would have voted leave regardless of the terms but many were swayed by the lies and fairytales

The most common reason mentioned by leave voters was taking our money back to fund the NHS. We know that was a massive fib though.
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To me, that is the most obvious course of action. Same with Indy...instead of just accepting the vote with the heart scenario, how about having some actual facts and figures to base ones intentions on..Too simple?

comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Izzy... Thanks for the memories (U3410)
posted 13 minutes ago
He's no fvcking chance of getting it through a vote on Saturday

More paralysis and tbh there's no further room for comprise on either side.

Either leave with no deal and throw thousands out of work or another referendum with remain on the ballot paper.
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So leave without a deal is how off the table?

And remain should not be on the table either btw
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So a referendum with one option
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Haw haw haw

Who the fwck said to have a referendum with no option?

Christ

comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Izzy... Thanks for the memories (U3410)
posted 13 minutes ago
He's no fvcking chance of getting it through a vote on Saturday

More paralysis and tbh there's no further room for comprise on either side.

Either leave with no deal and throw thousands out of work or another referendum with remain on the ballot paper.
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So leave without a deal is how off the table?

And remain should not be on the table either btw
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So a referendum with one option
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No.

How did this quantum leap occur?

I was/am a strong remainer, but FFS just get us out, one way or another. The country will be FUBAR but at least we can get on with things and eventually find out where we stand in the world.

More delay = more dither = more bollox from Westminster = nothing else getting done = country down the gurgler.

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Well no deal isn’t going to be an option on a referendum and you want to remove the option of remainin, so...

comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 44 seconds ago
I was/am a strong remainer, but FFS just get us out, one way or another. The country will be FUBAR but at least we can get on with things and eventually find out where we stand in the world.

More delay = more dither = more bollox from Westminster = nothing else getting done = country down the gurgler.

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Yep.

The views of quite possibly the majority of the people. And that is what Johnson will work on.

comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 45 seconds ago
Well no deal isn’t going to be an option on a referendum and you want to remove the option of remainin, so...
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Why would no deal not be an option? It is the default position after all and that hasn’t changed.

Why wouldn’t there be other leave deals to look at? Norway agreement? Canada plus?

There are options. Let’s at least as a country decide what way we want to leave and if that can’t be agreed then it defaults.

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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 44 seconds ago
I was/am a strong remainer, but FFS just get us out, one way or another. The country will be FUBAR but at least we can get on with things and eventually find out where we stand in the world.

More delay = more dither = more bollox from Westminster = nothing else getting done = country down the gurgler.

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Yep.

The views of quite possibly the majority of the people. And that is what Johnson will work on.
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Exactly the people have spoken
You don’t agree with it that’s life happens all the time.
I think it’s the wrong choice but respected it should be
Don’t be like us with the Nice treaty when the initial no vote wasn’t accepted so the government done a load of scaremongering at low paid workers and told them to vote yes
Had a second referendum and they got the desired result

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 44 seconds ago
I was/am a strong remainer, but FFS just get us out, one way or another. The country will be FUBAR but at least we can get on with things and eventually find out where we stand in the world.

More delay = more dither = more bollox from Westminster = nothing else getting done = country down the gurgler.

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Yep.

The views of quite possibly the majority of the people. And that is what Johnson will work on.
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Exactly the people have spoken
You don’t agree with it that’s life happens all the time.
I think it’s the wrong choice but respected it should be
Don’t be like us with the Nice treaty when the initial no vote wasn’t accepted so the government done a load of scaremongering at low paid workers and told them to vote yes
Had a second referendum and they got the desired result
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Now who made that happen again?

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 45 seconds ago
Well no deal isn’t going to be an option on a referendum and you want to remove the option of remainin, so...
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Why would no deal not be an option? It is the default position after all and that hasn’t changed.

Why wouldn’t there be other leave deals to look at? Norway agreement? Canada plus?

There are options. Let’s at least as a country decide what way we want to leave and if that can’t be agreed then it defaults.
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Whilst of course there are off the shelf options (Ceta, Efta, etc) all were rejected by the government.

Ceta btw is a FTA predominately in goods, and has little provision for services - 80% of UK GDP, and no customs protocols. As such as a model completely unsuitable which is why garbage like Canada+++ etc were mooted by some commentators and MPs.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 44 seconds ago
I was/am a strong remainer, but FFS just get us out, one way or another. The country will be FUBAR but at least we can get on with things and eventually find out where we stand in the world.

More delay = more dither = more bollox from Westminster = nothing else getting done = country down the gurgler.

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Yep.

The views of quite possibly the majority of the people. And that is what Johnson will work on.
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Exactly the people have spoken
You don’t agree with it that’s life happens all the time.
I think it’s the wrong choice but respected it should be
Don’t be like us with the Nice treaty when the initial no vote wasn’t accepted so the government done a load of scaremongering at low paid workers and told them to vote yes
Had a second referendum and they got the desired result
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Now who made that happen again?
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No idea
I’m just keeping the pot stirred

Joking aside you hear the most anti Brexit complaining from young people saying stuff like these old cants have voted away my future
The highest percentage of non voters were young. Had you got of your Harris and voted you would still be in.
As my old mum used to say if you don’t vote you can’t complain

As the west wing on tv said, things get decided by those that show up

Why would no deal not be an option?
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Parliament have literally introduced legislation to stop the risk of no deal. You think they’ll be including it on the balot paper?

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 44 seconds ago
I was/am a strong remainer, but FFS just get us out, one way or another. The country will be FUBAR but at least we can get on with things and eventually find out where we stand in the world.

More delay = more dither = more bollox from Westminster = nothing else getting done = country down the gurgler.

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Yep.

The views of quite possibly the majority of the people. And that is what Johnson will work on.
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A few of the women in my office are of this view, remainers who now want it 'sorted out', one of them going as far as saying she feels like protesting in London on Saturday to get them to vote for it.

I suspect more than one of them are Tories though, so obviously we can't trust them.

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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 44 seconds ago
I was/am a strong remainer, but FFS just get us out, one way or another. The country will be FUBAR but at least we can get on with things and eventually find out where we stand in the world.

More delay = more dither = more bollox from Westminster = nothing else getting done = country down the gurgler.

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Yep.

The views of quite possibly the majority of the people. And that is what Johnson will work on.
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I'm not having this - me and Ginger agreeing on Brexit.

I'm getting bored with this "the people have spoken" guff.

Ra peepul voting on a question, then afterwards were told the facts of the consequences. Never once heard the word 'backstop' before July 16. Who knew then what WTO tariff rules and rates were when they went in the ballot box.

Anybody who dared to highlight of the facts that will happen with no deal (10% import tariffs on cars for one) was denounced as a scaremonger by the out politicians who succeeded in whipping up xenophobic hysteria, turning the whole thing into an public view on immigration.

So yes, now that we actually know what it will mean, another referendum is a very sensible solution. Simple STV on 3 options - this deal, no deal or no brexit.

I'd go for the Ted Rogers option. 3-2-1

comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Why would no deal not be an option?
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Parliament have literally introduced legislation to stop the risk of no deal. You think they’ll be including it on the balot paper?
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I’m not sure you’re grasping the notion that it is the default position whether parliament wish it to be or not.

Btw makes you look a bit silly when you can’t grasp that fact yet put in giggly wee smileys as if you know better.

Right now parliament can’t elect a temporary leader. They can’t agree what options should be in a referendum far less as to whether there should be one and even that’s not in their power if the EU say take it or leave it.

Perhaps you can explain what question should be posed to the people in a simple enough way that next time us poor thickos can understand it and there can be no confusion. Oh yes and it’s likely to pass an ever divided parliament and that a law is enshrined to ensure we don’t just get another mess.

Over to you.

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