comment by Frasier Crane (U3979)
posted 15 hours, 20 minutes ago
VAR and playacting are really turning me off football. Just don't get as excited for games as I used to and I've found myself forgetting they are even on
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Yet you were happy with Origi's playacting and wanted a foul given if it would have stopped a Man Utd goal.
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He got caught on the knee and went down clutching his ankle. At least he grabbed the right leg though
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But wasn’t,t it his left leg
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Haha good point, should have said - he had the presence of mind at least to grab the "correct" leg.
Well done LoneWolf.
You are a true visionary. VAR farce indeed.
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 6 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
LiVARpool love it!
VAR was great yesterday. It changed two incorrect decisions which would have probably given Wolves the win and instead Liverpool won. The perfect example of it working well. Some people are just bitter.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 minutes ago
VAR was great yesterday. It changed two incorrect decisions which would have probably given Wolves the win and instead Liverpool won. The perfect example of it working well. Some people are just bitter.
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You said on a thread earlier that you wouldn't be moaning about VAR decisions, yet on this very thread you were previously moaning about a VAR decision for a goal conceded by Liverpool earlier in the season.
Fantastic.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 minutes ago
VAR was great yesterday. It changed two incorrect decisions which would have probably given Wolves the win and instead Liverpool won. The perfect example of it working well. Some people are just bitter.
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You said on a thread earlier that you wouldn't be moaning about VAR decisions, yet on this very thread you were previously moaning about a VAR decision for a goal conceded by Liverpool earlier in the season.
Fantastic.
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No I didn't. You're confusing me with somebody else. I'm not going to lie and say I wouldn't moan about a decision if I believe I was correct. I absolutely would and have done.
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 55 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
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you have some good points here...
1. I'd still have the remote VAR...to keep the game moving, but the ref HAS to consult via the monitor before the decision is made
3. Unsure what authority the linesman has....
The offside & Handball rules need serious consideration that's for sure
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 55 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
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you have some good points here...
1. I'd still have the remote VAR...to keep the game moving, but the ref HAS to consult via the monitor before the decision is made
3. Unsure what authority the linesman has....
The offside & Handball rules need serious consideration that's for sure
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1. The problem with the remote VAR is that they are analysing everything with multiple camera angles and it becomes a forensic examination. With the pitch side monitor the ref can have a quick look to see the incident again to check if he got it right first time or not.
3. I just mean here that for instance if the ref thinks a player is offside and the lino doesn't flag or is late flagging the ref has the means to clarify the situation very quickly.
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 55 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
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you have some good points here...
1. I'd still have the remote VAR...to keep the game moving, but the ref HAS to consult via the monitor before the decision is made
3. Unsure what authority the linesman has....
The offside & Handball rules need serious consideration that's for sure
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1. The problem with the remote VAR is that they are analysing everything with multiple camera angles and it becomes a forensic examination. With the pitch side monitor the ref can have a quick look to see the incident again to check if he got it right first time or not.
3. I just mean here that for instance if the ref thinks a player is offside and the lino doesn't flag or is late flagging the ref has the means to clarify the situation very quickly.
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1. This is correct however they can make instant decisions on the easy ones whereas the referee going to view the monitor would take longer. This was the reasoning behind the PL not wanting the monitor to be used.
Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.
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Strange comments considering at the start of the season the PL league stated that clear and obvious didn't apply to offsides as it was a yes or no situation. It does appear the PL have taken it upon themselves to implement VAR in a way that everybody else hasn't. Although I did see an example in Italy of an AC Milan player being judged offside by a toe.
I think every country needs to implement it in the same way, otherwise European competition could become difficult for English clubs who are used to the English implementation.
I do agree that if it takes minutes to decide if it is offside or not then the original decision should stand but then I would have the referee look at a monitor and if he can't tell with the naked eye, without the lines, then go with the original decision. However the PL for some reason are against this.
Applying the clear and obvious criteria to var would make decisions quicker and more acceptable. If you need to draw a line on the pitch to see if a small part of someone’s body is offside then that isn’t clear and obvious. If you need to look at handball or foul incidents more than a couple of times to decide then the refs decision should stand.
And these incidents should be shown on the screens in the stadium so the people who have paid to see the game know what’s going on. If they are only looking at clear errors then there wouldn’t be controversy in the stadium because everyone would accept the ref/linesman made a mistake as it would be clear to see
The International Football Association Board has said that the Premier League is using var incorrectly. They say that the principle of clear and obvious is not being applied correctly. The purpose of var is not to study films in detail or to draw lines to judge close decisions.
They are going to be issuing new guidelines to all governing bodies in 2020
After they've issued the guidelines we will be correctly awarded the 9 points we've been cheated out of so far.
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posted on 22/10/19
comment by Frasier Crane (U3979)
posted 15 hours, 20 minutes ago
VAR and playacting are really turning me off football. Just don't get as excited for games as I used to and I've found myself forgetting they are even on
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Yet you were happy with Origi's playacting and wanted a foul given if it would have stopped a Man Utd goal.
posted on 22/10/19
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He got caught on the knee and went down clutching his ankle. At least he grabbed the right leg though
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But wasn’t,t it his left leg
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Haha good point, should have said - he had the presence of mind at least to grab the "correct" leg.
posted on 30/12/19
Well done LoneWolf.
You are a true visionary. VAR farce indeed.
posted on 30/12/19
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 6 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
LiVARpool love it!
posted on 30/12/19
VAR was great yesterday. It changed two incorrect decisions which would have probably given Wolves the win and instead Liverpool won. The perfect example of it working well. Some people are just bitter.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 minutes ago
VAR was great yesterday. It changed two incorrect decisions which would have probably given Wolves the win and instead Liverpool won. The perfect example of it working well. Some people are just bitter.
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You said on a thread earlier that you wouldn't be moaning about VAR decisions, yet on this very thread you were previously moaning about a VAR decision for a goal conceded by Liverpool earlier in the season.
Fantastic.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 21 minutes ago
VAR was great yesterday. It changed two incorrect decisions which would have probably given Wolves the win and instead Liverpool won. The perfect example of it working well. Some people are just bitter.
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You said on a thread earlier that you wouldn't be moaning about VAR decisions, yet on this very thread you were previously moaning about a VAR decision for a goal conceded by Liverpool earlier in the season.
Fantastic.
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No I didn't. You're confusing me with somebody else. I'm not going to lie and say I wouldn't moan about a decision if I believe I was correct. I absolutely would and have done.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 55 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
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you have some good points here...
1. I'd still have the remote VAR...to keep the game moving, but the ref HAS to consult via the monitor before the decision is made
3. Unsure what authority the linesman has....
The offside & Handball rules need serious consideration that's for sure
posted on 30/12/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 55 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
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you have some good points here...
1. I'd still have the remote VAR...to keep the game moving, but the ref HAS to consult via the monitor before the decision is made
3. Unsure what authority the linesman has....
The offside & Handball rules need serious consideration that's for sure
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1. The problem with the remote VAR is that they are analysing everything with multiple camera angles and it becomes a forensic examination. With the pitch side monitor the ref can have a quick look to see the incident again to check if he got it right first time or not.
3. I just mean here that for instance if the ref thinks a player is offside and the lino doesn't flag or is late flagging the ref has the means to clarify the situation very quickly.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 55 minutes ago
So no-one is happy with VAR in its present form. The fans hate it, the players hate it, the managers hate it and I daresay the referees are not enthralled with it either.
Up to yet though I have not seen anyone offer a suggestion as to how it could be improved. So here are my eight rules to improve the way in which technology could be used to assist the referee.
1. The use of a remotely situated Video Assistant Referee to be discontinued.
2. The technology available to be used only for pitch side monitors.
3. Only when the referee is unsure of an offside or penalty decision or if he disagrees with the linesman will VAR be used.
4. The referee and only the referee will consult the pitch side monitor to clarify his decision.
5. The referee will indicate the result of the VAR check and the game will continue.
6. The offside rule to be changed so that only a player’s feet are considered when an offside decision is made. If a player’s hand, shoulder, ear or any other part of his anatomy is over ‘the line’ the player will be deemed onside provided his feet are behind ‘the line’.
7. In all events, the referee has the final word and his decision is final and indisputable.
8. At his discretion, the referee may award a yellow card to any player or players who use threatening or abusive language or behaviour towards the referee as a result of any decision he may make.
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you have some good points here...
1. I'd still have the remote VAR...to keep the game moving, but the ref HAS to consult via the monitor before the decision is made
3. Unsure what authority the linesman has....
The offside & Handball rules need serious consideration that's for sure
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1. The problem with the remote VAR is that they are analysing everything with multiple camera angles and it becomes a forensic examination. With the pitch side monitor the ref can have a quick look to see the incident again to check if he got it right first time or not.
3. I just mean here that for instance if the ref thinks a player is offside and the lino doesn't flag or is late flagging the ref has the means to clarify the situation very quickly.
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1. This is correct however they can make instant decisions on the easy ones whereas the referee going to view the monitor would take longer. This was the reasoning behind the PL not wanting the monitor to be used.
posted on 30/12/19
Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.
posted on 30/12/19
comment by GeminMallorca (U18318)
posted 2 minutes ago
Lukas Brud, general secretary of the International Football Association Board, said: "With VAR we see some things that are going in a direction that we may need to re-adjust."
He said the body would reissue guidance on VAR's use after its annual general meeting in February.
"If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.
He added: "What we really need to stress is that 'clear and obvious' applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee.
"In theory, 1mm offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.
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Strange comments considering at the start of the season the PL league stated that clear and obvious didn't apply to offsides as it was a yes or no situation. It does appear the PL have taken it upon themselves to implement VAR in a way that everybody else hasn't. Although I did see an example in Italy of an AC Milan player being judged offside by a toe.
I think every country needs to implement it in the same way, otherwise European competition could become difficult for English clubs who are used to the English implementation.
I do agree that if it takes minutes to decide if it is offside or not then the original decision should stand but then I would have the referee look at a monitor and if he can't tell with the naked eye, without the lines, then go with the original decision. However the PL for some reason are against this.
posted on 30/12/19
Applying the clear and obvious criteria to var would make decisions quicker and more acceptable. If you need to draw a line on the pitch to see if a small part of someone’s body is offside then that isn’t clear and obvious. If you need to look at handball or foul incidents more than a couple of times to decide then the refs decision should stand.
And these incidents should be shown on the screens in the stadium so the people who have paid to see the game know what’s going on. If they are only looking at clear errors then there wouldn’t be controversy in the stadium because everyone would accept the ref/linesman made a mistake as it would be clear to see
posted on 30/12/19
The International Football Association Board has said that the Premier League is using var incorrectly. They say that the principle of clear and obvious is not being applied correctly. The purpose of var is not to study films in detail or to draw lines to judge close decisions.
They are going to be issuing new guidelines to all governing bodies in 2020
posted on 31/12/19
After they've issued the guidelines we will be correctly awarded the 9 points we've been cheated out of so far.
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