I do see your point Robb. But it doesn't cover Jose with glory either way.
A; He made poor buys.
B. He didn't so should have done better.
Your logic was sound though.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wilson is arguably the best football writer going.
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He's an absolute nerd with tactics
Is there ANY article that doesn't descend into a kick off when NOBB is about? Adds nothings to the debate, regurgitates the same chit but spins it in 50 different ways.
Fack me.
Good article btw OP. Pretty much fair assement of where most sensible fans that follow United will be aware of.
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wilson is arguably the best football writer going.
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He's an absolute nerd with tactics
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Yeah he breaks it down to a really minute level, he's great of podcasts too has insight very few writers have.
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 33 minutes ago
And why do people bring up money spent with Jose?
I thought the vast majority of his signings were bad. You can’t have both.
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Because he spent and was given time to do something.
Ole has spent a partial amount and has had one transfer window.
This should be worrying for Jose not Ole. If we spend well in Jan and the summer I have no doubt we’ll be performing better than Mourinhos side.
When you say “if this is how Ole wants to play” what half are you referring to? I think it’s blindingly obvious Ole wants to play every game like the first half. Aggressive pressing and suffocating the opposition, our fitness dwindled on the second half and we sat back. I’m assuming because you dislike Ole you are ignoring the first half where we totally outplayed Liverpool? If not for some wasteful play by Pereira in the final 3rd we could have carved out more opportunities.
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
And why do people bring up money spent with Jose?
I thought the vast majority of his signings were bad. You can’t have both.
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Surely that is the point... He spent lots and most of it on rubbish
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But the argument here was that he had an advantage over Ole because he had £400 million of signings
If they were rubbish how was that an advantage? 🤔
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This must be one of Robbs thickest posts!
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
And why do people bring up money spent with Jose?
I thought the vast majority of his signings were bad. You can’t have both.
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Surely that is the point... He spent lots and most of it on rubbish
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But the argument here was that he had an advantage over Ole because he had £400 million of signings
If they were rubbish how was that an advantage? 🤔
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Nobody mentioned it being an advantage apart from you
Kfcs point was Jose's judgement of players was shiiite
But you know this
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😂 No it wasn’t
Read his comment again. I said the tactics were Jose like and he said that Jose played like that with half a billion pounds worth of players and a fully fit squad (both wrong by the way) whereas Ole has been forced into playing this way because he’s inherited the worst squad ever apparently and has no fit players
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The season we finished 2nd we hardly had any injuries, we were on a role winning 4-0 and then Jose schite him self and parks the bus at Anfield. Pretty much every game after that we played a low block even against pure schite like Huddersfield and suffered a humiliating defeat in the champions league.
We're the third team to try those tactics against Liverpool with a degree of success. Unfortunately, as the article fairly states, we were outmatched man for man.
The small concern for Liverpool will be that Man City have the players to implement that system much more effectively than we could.
Game at Anfield is going to be huge. I think the winner of that game will take the title. Stones is back now. Mendy back. Cancelo looking good.
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there ANY article that doesn't descend into a kick off when NOBB is about? Adds nothings to the debate, regurgitates the same chit but spins it in 50 different ways.
Fack me.
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He has me filtered so as a result the match thread yesterday didn't descend into the usual farce.
Posters need to stop giving him the attention/oxygen he craves.
This board has seen a loss of content, posts and users and my own inactivity can be put down to not wanting to read the same tripe over and over from him.
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
it's a good analysis of the game, but to me worrying about tactics or one off performances is pointless at the moment.
we need at least 7 new, ready made first team players before we worry about the fine tuning.
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7!!!
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comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
it's a good analysis of the game, but to me worrying about tactics or one off performances is pointless at the moment.
we need at least 7 new, ready made first team players before we worry about the fine tuning.
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7!!!
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we finished 6th last season and are now 13th.
we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
the defence is fine and the likes of rashford, james or mctominay are ok squad players but that is about it.
need a new midfield, new attack and a left back.
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2 CM, 1 winger and a CF and the first 11 is good enough to challenge for 2nd with Spurs and Liverpool
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we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
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Is there anyone with any sort of substance who is tipping us to be in a relegation fight though?
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 25 seconds ago
we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
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Is there anyone with any sort of substance who is tipping us to be in a relegation fight though?
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Hippo and Nobb - but not sure about substance.
Exactly. We arent going to go down. Of it looked sliekly then the club would take action (bring in mccarthy, Redknapp or big sam)
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comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think we will be relegated but there will be times this season when we are worried. such as now. we are 2 points above the relegation zone.
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I'm not worried.
If we are nearer the bottom than top 6 come Xmas I'm confident the club would take action
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comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 23 seconds ago
we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
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Is there anyone with any sort of substance who is tipping us to be in a relegation fight though?
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https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/3958325/are-manchester-united-facing-a-battle-to-avoid-premier-league-relegation
lots of people are. mark ogden for example.
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Mark Ogden
Mark Ogden
"And with barely a quarter of the campaign gone, it would be foolish to suggest that United will find themselves locked in a battle against the drop between now and next May."
We are 2 points above the relegation zone and 3 points off 7th.
Every team from 7th and below is 3 points off the drop...
Every team from 7th and below is 3 points off the drop...
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Sorry, 4 points..
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think we will be relegated but there will be times this season when we are worried. such as now. we are 2 points above the relegation zone.
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I'm not worried.
If we are nearer the bottom than top 6 come Xmas I'm confident the club would take action
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even then, finishing in midtable should be seen as an absolute disaster. some people on here think it is enough to just avoid relegation. to be even in and around relegation zone at any point in the season after the first 5 games is an absolute disaster and shows a total failure of everyone involved at the club.
for the other big clubs around the world finishing second is a disaster, for us now it seems finishing 6th is a decent season.
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Nonsense. Nobody associated with the club thinks 6th is a decent season.
As for the key executives at the club, I really do worry that our fans think we can just go to the football executives shop and pick up 2 or 3 off the peg who will instantly find world class coach after world class coach and players that our current scouts and agents arent aware of.
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posted on 21/10/19
I do see your point Robb. But it doesn't cover Jose with glory either way.
A; He made poor buys.
B. He didn't so should have done better.
Your logic was sound though.
posted on 21/10/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wilson is arguably the best football writer going.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an absolute nerd with tactics
posted on 21/10/19
Is there ANY article that doesn't descend into a kick off when NOBB is about? Adds nothings to the debate, regurgitates the same chit but spins it in 50 different ways.
Fack me.
posted on 21/10/19
Good article btw OP. Pretty much fair assement of where most sensible fans that follow United will be aware of.
posted on 21/10/19
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wilson is arguably the best football writer going.
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He's an absolute nerd with tactics
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Yeah he breaks it down to a really minute level, he's great of podcasts too has insight very few writers have.
posted on 21/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 33 minutes ago
And why do people bring up money spent with Jose?
I thought the vast majority of his signings were bad. You can’t have both.
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Because he spent and was given time to do something.
Ole has spent a partial amount and has had one transfer window.
This should be worrying for Jose not Ole. If we spend well in Jan and the summer I have no doubt we’ll be performing better than Mourinhos side.
When you say “if this is how Ole wants to play” what half are you referring to? I think it’s blindingly obvious Ole wants to play every game like the first half. Aggressive pressing and suffocating the opposition, our fitness dwindled on the second half and we sat back. I’m assuming because you dislike Ole you are ignoring the first half where we totally outplayed Liverpool? If not for some wasteful play by Pereira in the final 3rd we could have carved out more opportunities.
posted on 21/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
And why do people bring up money spent with Jose?
I thought the vast majority of his signings were bad. You can’t have both.
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Surely that is the point... He spent lots and most of it on rubbish
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But the argument here was that he had an advantage over Ole because he had £400 million of signings
If they were rubbish how was that an advantage? 🤔
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This must be one of Robbs thickest posts!
posted on 21/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 12 seconds ago
And why do people bring up money spent with Jose?
I thought the vast majority of his signings were bad. You can’t have both.
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Surely that is the point... He spent lots and most of it on rubbish
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But the argument here was that he had an advantage over Ole because he had £400 million of signings
If they were rubbish how was that an advantage? 🤔
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Nobody mentioned it being an advantage apart from you
Kfcs point was Jose's judgement of players was shiiite
But you know this
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😂 No it wasn’t
Read his comment again. I said the tactics were Jose like and he said that Jose played like that with half a billion pounds worth of players and a fully fit squad (both wrong by the way) whereas Ole has been forced into playing this way because he’s inherited the worst squad ever apparently and has no fit players
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The season we finished 2nd we hardly had any injuries, we were on a role winning 4-0 and then Jose schite him self and parks the bus at Anfield. Pretty much every game after that we played a low block even against pure schite like Huddersfield and suffered a humiliating defeat in the champions league.
posted on 21/10/19
We're the third team to try those tactics against Liverpool with a degree of success. Unfortunately, as the article fairly states, we were outmatched man for man.
The small concern for Liverpool will be that Man City have the players to implement that system much more effectively than we could.
Game at Anfield is going to be huge. I think the winner of that game will take the title. Stones is back now. Mendy back. Cancelo looking good.
posted on 21/10/19
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there ANY article that doesn't descend into a kick off when NOBB is about? Adds nothings to the debate, regurgitates the same chit but spins it in 50 different ways.
Fack me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He has me filtered so as a result the match thread yesterday didn't descend into the usual farce.
Posters need to stop giving him the attention/oxygen he craves.
This board has seen a loss of content, posts and users and my own inactivity can be put down to not wanting to read the same tripe over and over from him.
posted on 21/10/19
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
it's a good analysis of the game, but to me worrying about tactics or one off performances is pointless at the moment.
we need at least 7 new, ready made first team players before we worry about the fine tuning.
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7!!!
posted on 21/10/19
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posted on 21/10/19
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
it's a good analysis of the game, but to me worrying about tactics or one off performances is pointless at the moment.
we need at least 7 new, ready made first team players before we worry about the fine tuning.
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7!!!
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we finished 6th last season and are now 13th.
we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
the defence is fine and the likes of rashford, james or mctominay are ok squad players but that is about it.
need a new midfield, new attack and a left back.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 CM, 1 winger and a CF and the first 11 is good enough to challenge for 2nd with Spurs and Liverpool
posted on 21/10/19
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posted on 21/10/19
we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
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Is there anyone with any sort of substance who is tipping us to be in a relegation fight though?
posted on 21/10/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 25 seconds ago
we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
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Is there anyone with any sort of substance who is tipping us to be in a relegation fight though?
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Hippo and Nobb - but not sure about substance.
posted on 21/10/19
Exactly. We arent going to go down. Of it looked sliekly then the club would take action (bring in mccarthy, Redknapp or big sam)
posted on 21/10/19
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posted on 21/10/19
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posted on 21/10/19
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think we will be relegated but there will be times this season when we are worried. such as now. we are 2 points above the relegation zone.
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I'm not worried.
If we are nearer the bottom than top 6 come Xmas I'm confident the club would take action
posted on 21/10/19
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posted on 21/10/19
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 23 seconds ago
we are widely being tipped to be in a relegation fight.
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Is there anyone with any sort of substance who is tipping us to be in a relegation fight though?
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https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/3958325/are-manchester-united-facing-a-battle-to-avoid-premier-league-relegation
lots of people are. mark ogden for example.
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Mark Ogden
Mark Ogden
"And with barely a quarter of the campaign gone, it would be foolish to suggest that United will find themselves locked in a battle against the drop between now and next May."
We are 2 points above the relegation zone and 3 points off 7th.
Every team from 7th and below is 3 points off the drop...
posted on 21/10/19
Every team from 7th and below is 3 points off the drop...
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Sorry, 4 points..
posted on 21/10/19
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hippo - Mr Right! (U1301)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think we will be relegated but there will be times this season when we are worried. such as now. we are 2 points above the relegation zone.
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I'm not worried.
If we are nearer the bottom than top 6 come Xmas I'm confident the club would take action
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even then, finishing in midtable should be seen as an absolute disaster. some people on here think it is enough to just avoid relegation. to be even in and around relegation zone at any point in the season after the first 5 games is an absolute disaster and shows a total failure of everyone involved at the club.
for the other big clubs around the world finishing second is a disaster, for us now it seems finishing 6th is a decent season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nonsense. Nobody associated with the club thinks 6th is a decent season.
As for the key executives at the club, I really do worry that our fans think we can just go to the football executives shop and pick up 2 or 3 off the peg who will instantly find world class coach after world class coach and players that our current scouts and agents arent aware of.
posted on 21/10/19
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