comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) ע�... (U9756)
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comment by KentuckyRam (U7775)
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comment by Scouse (U9675)
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Always thought the law was an ass Kentucky. If what you say is true (and I respect your insight), then you have confirmed my suspicion.
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Scouse, I can't argue with the law being an ass, I have often thought it myself mate.
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If the law's an ass, what does it make lawyers?
No seriously, its only 99% that give the rest a bad reputation.
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😂. On a serious note, good and bad in every walk of life
If Keogh wasn’t driving either of the cars then what has he done wrong?
The club didn’t want to sack him, they just wanted to save money on his wages whilst he wasn’t able to play, he’ll win a wrongful dismissal case!
Think they’ve opened a real can of worms here.
Legally they will probably be able to justify this, but the damage this will do to the club will cost a hell of a lot more than Keogh’s contract.
Slice it whatever way you want, sacking the passenger because he’s the one who got injured (likely) reflects awfully on the club.
Amazing isn't it, some months back swanning around ER because they made the PO final.
Now their captain, linchpin and arguably best player over a long period of time has been sacked in what feels extremely immortal reasons.
haymaker.you are right.for me it does reflect badly on the club.another aspect to this sacking is how it will affect other players moral as I am sure many will be disappointed and upset he has gone especially the younger ones
All three should have been sacked. The fact that they haven't, and only Keogh has, simply underlines the commercialisation of their disciplinary procedure. It is morally corrupt but I would expect an out of court settlement to bring a close to Keogh's situation. I'd be surprised to see him resume his career now.
He has bought the club into disrepute but one can argue that the main perpatrators were the drivers here.
Terrible example to set by Derby County. Shameful.
In a statement on Wednesday night, Derby wrote: ‘Derby County Football Club has completed the disciplinary hearing regarding Richard Keogh in respect of his involvement in the events of Tuesday, September 24th.
‘As a result of that process, Mr Keogh has had his contract terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct. He has the right of appeal within 14 days.
‘As we have said from the outset, the Club will not tolerate any of its players or staff behaving in a manner which puts themselves, their colleagues, and members of the general public at risk of injury or worse, or which brings the club into disrepute.’
Then why have the 2 players guilty of drunk driving not been sacked and the player who was just a passenger has been?
Maybe there is something in his contract that Derby put in for higher paid players while the same stringent conditions are not in the contracts for Lawrence or Bennett?
I missed how they were both trashed and yet both ended up driving?
It's pretty simple, Keogh's career is over, so the club have sacked him. He can't play for the remainder of his contract.
Will be very interesting to see how the other two are punished once found guilty. How big of an asset is Tom Lawrence for them? Young player worth maybe 4-5m before all this, if he doesn't get sent down, I can see them keeping him on.
Not sure about Bennett, no idea how good he is.
Both have completed their trials, got community service and fines, and been fined 6 weeks wages by Derby. Both playing.
He’ll have no problem getting a job on the beach at Skeggy.
comment by Long Short Tall 666 (U19233)
posted 11 minutes ago
Both have completed their trials, got community service and fines, and been fined 6 weeks wages by Derby. Both playing.
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Did know that. Should have been sacked by the club, shows how much of a disgusting club they are keeping them on.
> How big of an asset is Tom Lawrence for them?
Paid good money for him, but really he shows up once every 10-15 matches, the rest of the time the team has to carry him. Even before this people wanted him out of the team, if anything Cocu now seems to have painted himself into a corner by selecting him and having to be seen as sticking to his guns. We'll be lucky to get half a mil for him on performances.
> Not sure about Bennett, no idea how good he is.
even when given a chance by Frank he rarely performed, loaned out to lower league clubs before that, struggled to cement a place in their teams, wasn't wanted. will probably be playing non-league football once released after this.
the main issue here is the hypocrisy of the club statement tho, saying they won't tolerate those putting team members and the public in danger, yet applying that to somebody who was actually a victim (of his own making) in the situation, while actually sticking by the two who ACTUALLY put the public and other team members in grave danger with their reckless behavior.
in situations like this morals need to be placed about finances, and frankly if it comes down to FFP the league should acknowledge the exceptional circumstances here for the sake of the image of the league, either that or impose some stricter discipline of their own and ban idiots caught up in this kind of thing for 4-5 seasons.
Keogh's decision to accept a lift home from Tom Lawrence ranks along with Gary Glitter's decision to have his computer mended.
It's very likely that both Lawrence and Bennett will be shipped out as soon as possible. Lawrence is probably worth around 5 million though as posted above there are plenty of Derby fans who don't think he is very good. If Derby sack Lawrence then a rival club, Leeds say, could pick him up for nothing and then sell him in January for 5 million quid, or keep him as a player and an asset if they thought he was good enough. In such a situation the players suffers not at all and the club suffers to the tune of 5 million pounds. People talk about sacking the players as if this actually constitutes punishment, when it doesn't at all if they can get a job somewhere else straight away, as Lawrence is likely to do, and probably on similar wages. Bennett might have to take a wage cut to get employment elsewhere, I don't know.
Keogh is in breach of contract. The other 2 aint. People calling for Lawrence and Bennett to be sacked would not be sacked from most of the jobs they do for drink driving. Oli McBurnie is in court on November 6th for drink driving. Has not been left out or fined by Sheffield United. Derby have fined both maximum and left out of squad. Derby should not be paying Keogh's wages as he can not do his job due to his own stupidity.
I don't see it as punishment. I just don't want them anywhere near this city after endangering the lives of people here, and setting a terrible example to those following the club.
If Leeds want to be the morally corrupt club who decide to do that, so be it, it reflects badly on them. I'd just hope it wasn't Forest as that would mean they were still local.
posted 15 seconds ago
Keogh is in breach of contract. The other 2 aint. People calling for Lawrence and Bennett to be sacked would not be sacked from most of the jobs they do for drink driving. Oli McBurnie is in court on November 6th for drink driving. Has not been left out or fined by Sheffield United. Derby have fined both maximum and left out of squad. Derby should not be paying Keogh's wages as he can not do his job due to his own stupidity.
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This, this, this
I don’t understand what people aren’t getting. What the difference is.
Yes it morally wrong.
And no way are derby getting anywhere near £5m for Lawrence
This is basically Mel Morris throwing one of his longest serving players under the bus just to try and justify keeping two drink-drivers simply because they're "more valuable" to him.
A classic case of someone caring more about looking like he's doing the right thing rather than actually doing it.
If Radrizzani did this, the media would be trying to round up a lynch mob right now, and Morris would be at the front of the fooking queue.
The suggested fee is for the sake of argument, LIW. That reliable outlet transfer.com currently lists his market value at 4.5 million. Obviously a player is only worth what a club is prepared to pay. He will command a fee of some sort, I'm sure you get my point. Sacking Lawrence would not constitute punishment if another club takes him on.
If I was working for a company and went out on a works do, smashed into someone whilst off my face injuring another employee and bring the company name into disrepute, I would expect to be instantly sacked.
Derby could have saved some face by sacking all involved and if it was Leeds players, I would be urging us to do the same.
These guys are not role models, but they are supported by paying customers week in week out.
Should be sacked.
So every player done for drink driving have been sacked have they??
posted 7 minutes ago
The suggested fee is for the sake of argument, LIW. That reliable outlet transfer.com currently lists his market value at 4.5 million. Obviously a player is only worth what a club is prepared to pay. He will command a fee of some sort, I'm sure you get my point. Sacking Lawrence would not constitute punishment if another club takes him on.
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Vidal...you will never get the point across. Some only see what they want or want to happen.
As Backo says. Roberto Firmino, Hugo Lloris and many many others have been convicted for drink driving. None of them have been sacked. All could potentially have killed someone by their reckless actions. It's very comical to see fans of other clubs climbing up on their high horses.
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posted on 30/10/19
comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) ע�... (U9756)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by KentuckyRam (U7775)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 21 seconds ago
Always thought the law was an ass Kentucky. If what you say is true (and I respect your insight), then you have confirmed my suspicion.
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Scouse, I can't argue with the law being an ass, I have often thought it myself mate.
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If the law's an ass, what does it make lawyers?
No seriously, its only 99% that give the rest a bad reputation.
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😂. On a serious note, good and bad in every walk of life
posted on 30/10/19
If Keogh wasn’t driving either of the cars then what has he done wrong?
The club didn’t want to sack him, they just wanted to save money on his wages whilst he wasn’t able to play, he’ll win a wrongful dismissal case!
posted on 31/10/19
Think they’ve opened a real can of worms here.
Legally they will probably be able to justify this, but the damage this will do to the club will cost a hell of a lot more than Keogh’s contract.
Slice it whatever way you want, sacking the passenger because he’s the one who got injured (likely) reflects awfully on the club.
posted on 31/10/19
Amazing isn't it, some months back swanning around ER because they made the PO final.
Now their captain, linchpin and arguably best player over a long period of time has been sacked in what feels extremely immortal reasons.
posted on 31/10/19
haymaker.you are right.for me it does reflect badly on the club.another aspect to this sacking is how it will affect other players moral as I am sure many will be disappointed and upset he has gone especially the younger ones
posted on 31/10/19
All three should have been sacked. The fact that they haven't, and only Keogh has, simply underlines the commercialisation of their disciplinary procedure. It is morally corrupt but I would expect an out of court settlement to bring a close to Keogh's situation. I'd be surprised to see him resume his career now.
He has bought the club into disrepute but one can argue that the main perpatrators were the drivers here.
Terrible example to set by Derby County. Shameful.
posted on 31/10/19
In a statement on Wednesday night, Derby wrote: ‘Derby County Football Club has completed the disciplinary hearing regarding Richard Keogh in respect of his involvement in the events of Tuesday, September 24th.
‘As a result of that process, Mr Keogh has had his contract terminated with immediate effect for gross misconduct. He has the right of appeal within 14 days.
‘As we have said from the outset, the Club will not tolerate any of its players or staff behaving in a manner which puts themselves, their colleagues, and members of the general public at risk of injury or worse, or which brings the club into disrepute.’
Then why have the 2 players guilty of drunk driving not been sacked and the player who was just a passenger has been?
posted on 31/10/19
Maybe there is something in his contract that Derby put in for higher paid players while the same stringent conditions are not in the contracts for Lawrence or Bennett?
posted on 31/10/19
I missed how they were both trashed and yet both ended up driving?
posted on 31/10/19
It's pretty simple, Keogh's career is over, so the club have sacked him. He can't play for the remainder of his contract.
Will be very interesting to see how the other two are punished once found guilty. How big of an asset is Tom Lawrence for them? Young player worth maybe 4-5m before all this, if he doesn't get sent down, I can see them keeping him on.
Not sure about Bennett, no idea how good he is.
posted on 31/10/19
Both have completed their trials, got community service and fines, and been fined 6 weeks wages by Derby. Both playing.
posted on 31/10/19
He’ll have no problem getting a job on the beach at Skeggy.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by Long Short Tall 666 (U19233)
posted 11 minutes ago
Both have completed their trials, got community service and fines, and been fined 6 weeks wages by Derby. Both playing.
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Did know that. Should have been sacked by the club, shows how much of a disgusting club they are keeping them on.
posted on 31/10/19
> How big of an asset is Tom Lawrence for them?
Paid good money for him, but really he shows up once every 10-15 matches, the rest of the time the team has to carry him. Even before this people wanted him out of the team, if anything Cocu now seems to have painted himself into a corner by selecting him and having to be seen as sticking to his guns. We'll be lucky to get half a mil for him on performances.
> Not sure about Bennett, no idea how good he is.
even when given a chance by Frank he rarely performed, loaned out to lower league clubs before that, struggled to cement a place in their teams, wasn't wanted. will probably be playing non-league football once released after this.
the main issue here is the hypocrisy of the club statement tho, saying they won't tolerate those putting team members and the public in danger, yet applying that to somebody who was actually a victim (of his own making) in the situation, while actually sticking by the two who ACTUALLY put the public and other team members in grave danger with their reckless behavior.
in situations like this morals need to be placed about finances, and frankly if it comes down to FFP the league should acknowledge the exceptional circumstances here for the sake of the image of the league, either that or impose some stricter discipline of their own and ban idiots caught up in this kind of thing for 4-5 seasons.
posted on 31/10/19
Keogh's decision to accept a lift home from Tom Lawrence ranks along with Gary Glitter's decision to have his computer mended.
posted on 31/10/19
It's very likely that both Lawrence and Bennett will be shipped out as soon as possible. Lawrence is probably worth around 5 million though as posted above there are plenty of Derby fans who don't think he is very good. If Derby sack Lawrence then a rival club, Leeds say, could pick him up for nothing and then sell him in January for 5 million quid, or keep him as a player and an asset if they thought he was good enough. In such a situation the players suffers not at all and the club suffers to the tune of 5 million pounds. People talk about sacking the players as if this actually constitutes punishment, when it doesn't at all if they can get a job somewhere else straight away, as Lawrence is likely to do, and probably on similar wages. Bennett might have to take a wage cut to get employment elsewhere, I don't know.
posted on 31/10/19
Keogh is in breach of contract. The other 2 aint. People calling for Lawrence and Bennett to be sacked would not be sacked from most of the jobs they do for drink driving. Oli McBurnie is in court on November 6th for drink driving. Has not been left out or fined by Sheffield United. Derby have fined both maximum and left out of squad. Derby should not be paying Keogh's wages as he can not do his job due to his own stupidity.
posted on 31/10/19
I don't see it as punishment. I just don't want them anywhere near this city after endangering the lives of people here, and setting a terrible example to those following the club.
If Leeds want to be the morally corrupt club who decide to do that, so be it, it reflects badly on them. I'd just hope it wasn't Forest as that would mean they were still local.
posted on 31/10/19
posted 15 seconds ago
Keogh is in breach of contract. The other 2 aint. People calling for Lawrence and Bennett to be sacked would not be sacked from most of the jobs they do for drink driving. Oli McBurnie is in court on November 6th for drink driving. Has not been left out or fined by Sheffield United. Derby have fined both maximum and left out of squad. Derby should not be paying Keogh's wages as he can not do his job due to his own stupidity.
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This, this, this
I don’t understand what people aren’t getting. What the difference is.
Yes it morally wrong.
And no way are derby getting anywhere near £5m for Lawrence
posted on 31/10/19
This is basically Mel Morris throwing one of his longest serving players under the bus just to try and justify keeping two drink-drivers simply because they're "more valuable" to him.
A classic case of someone caring more about looking like he's doing the right thing rather than actually doing it.
If Radrizzani did this, the media would be trying to round up a lynch mob right now, and Morris would be at the front of the fooking queue.
posted on 31/10/19
The suggested fee is for the sake of argument, LIW. That reliable outlet transfer.com currently lists his market value at 4.5 million. Obviously a player is only worth what a club is prepared to pay. He will command a fee of some sort, I'm sure you get my point. Sacking Lawrence would not constitute punishment if another club takes him on.
posted on 31/10/19
If I was working for a company and went out on a works do, smashed into someone whilst off my face injuring another employee and bring the company name into disrepute, I would expect to be instantly sacked.
Derby could have saved some face by sacking all involved and if it was Leeds players, I would be urging us to do the same.
These guys are not role models, but they are supported by paying customers week in week out.
Should be sacked.
posted on 31/10/19
So every player done for drink driving have been sacked have they??
posted on 31/10/19
posted 7 minutes ago
The suggested fee is for the sake of argument, LIW. That reliable outlet transfer.com currently lists his market value at 4.5 million. Obviously a player is only worth what a club is prepared to pay. He will command a fee of some sort, I'm sure you get my point. Sacking Lawrence would not constitute punishment if another club takes him on.
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Vidal...you will never get the point across. Some only see what they want or want to happen.
posted on 31/10/19
As Backo says. Roberto Firmino, Hugo Lloris and many many others have been convicted for drink driving. None of them have been sacked. All could potentially have killed someone by their reckless actions. It's very comical to see fans of other clubs climbing up on their high horses.
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