Yep... actually feel bad for the Refs, they have been totally undermined. Its ruining the game. Football is all about mistakes, Players, managers, Refs.... Its what makes it great. Its all become too clinical. The authorities will totally ruin the game if the're not careful
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep... actually feel bad for the Refs, they have been totally undermined. Its ruining the game. Football is all about mistakes, Players, managers, Refs.... Its what makes it great. Its all become too clinical. The authorities will totally ruin the game if the're not careful
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I disagree. Football is not all about mistakes and that's not what makes it great IMO.
more mistakes now VAR is in action though
If they are to stick with it, then they IMO the role of VAR should be to highlight something to review to the ref, who should then be the one looking at the screens making HIS decision.
It should never be the purpose of some guy in a remote location making a on-pitch decision, only ever bringing incidents to the refs attention for him to decide.
To me its clear the refs dont want that pressure and attention, because they then have nowhere to hide. They're bottling it
Won't be long before they have FA officials in the stands canvassing for mobile phone footage from the fans in the mindless pursuit of the perfect camera angle.
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
var has made a bad situation worse.
i would much rather have a refs bad decision real time then to have the game delayed by var and still get it wrong.
offsides wrong, handballs wrong and we sit waiting like its some plodding north american sport.
goal celebrations aren't even the same. hate it, get rid.
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 8 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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Yeah. Before VAR it would not have been given as the ref didn't blow for it.
VAR is presenting the opportunity to correct this but still they can't. Why?
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 1 minute ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Scottish football Just because it's shiiiit, does that mean it has soul!
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
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But that's the point, it was missed by the ref, it doesn't matter if it was missed by fans or players didn't appeal. When the opportunity presented itself to correct it, it wasn't corrected.
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
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But that's the point, it was missed by the ref, it doesn't matter if it was missed by fans or players didn't appeal. When the opportunity presented itself to correct it, it wasn't corrected.
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You have to ask why?
A 10 year old could do it.
As a result, VAR is getting a lot of criticism 🤔🤔🤔
its fine just fans and pundits getting worked up to a frenzy over every decision that's spoiling it
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 30 seconds ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Well that’s not cliched at all
Hate the idea of it and it's actually worse than I imagined it would be.
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
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But that's the point, it was missed by the ref, it doesn't matter if it was missed by fans or players didn't appeal. When the opportunity presented itself to correct it, it wasn't corrected.
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This goes to the heart of my issue with it.
No one saw it. If play had gone on, no one would have been bothered, the ebb and flow of the game continues and may be later on if a replay is shown there's emotions either way about what happened (just as there are now but without all the VAR bollox)
Compare that to what happened.
The balance is between getting the decision 100% right vs the enjoyment of the game.
The latter is suffering because every decision being assessed is being done so at great length to get it 100% right. No point having replays if its guess work. Was there a deflection off the defender first? may be, may be not. VAR must have ruled enough doubt to not enable a 100% conclusion. That must be the reasoning because no debate it hit his arm .
Problem is we dont know what is being considered. If this was rugby it would be as follows, with ref chatting to TMO.
Ref - I saw nothing, but we are checking for a clear handball
TMO - I'll show you these replays and it clearly hits his hand, but not sure if it first deflected off the defender to any degree, looks like to might have.
Ref/TMO - It might have come off the defender first, there's some doubt, its not 100% clear so favour goes with the on-field decision. No handball. Play on. If the pen had been given by the ref at the time then under review, with some doubt, the on field decision would have stayed.
All this should be heard and seen, so at least we know whats happening, the decision is explained and fans can understand the reasoning, even if you don't agree. Currently no one knows whats being considered or discussed, the reasoning and therefore will never understand the decision.
and what was the Son red?
That didnt seem to follow any sort of refereeing or VAR protocol.
He saw the injury and
or
he and was told by VAR to
either way, wrong application of the laws of the game.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 1 minute ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Scottish footballJust because it's shiiiit, does that mean it has soul!
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and who was the last British team to concede 7 in Europe
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 30 seconds ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Well that’s not cliched at all
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Great point
The standard of Scottish football is contingent on Tottenham's results.
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 55 seconds ago
Tottenham
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Grow up,
Scrap the way its done now and implement the way its done in Union big screen and all with refs call being final. Players and managers to keep at least 10 yards away while the decision is being made.
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tottenham
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posted on 4/11/19
Yep... actually feel bad for the Refs, they have been totally undermined. Its ruining the game. Football is all about mistakes, Players, managers, Refs.... Its what makes it great. Its all become too clinical. The authorities will totally ruin the game if the're not careful
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep... actually feel bad for the Refs, they have been totally undermined. Its ruining the game. Football is all about mistakes, Players, managers, Refs.... Its what makes it great. Its all become too clinical. The authorities will totally ruin the game if the're not careful
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I disagree. Football is not all about mistakes and that's not what makes it great IMO.
posted on 4/11/19
more mistakes now VAR is in action though
posted on 4/11/19
If they are to stick with it, then they IMO the role of VAR should be to highlight something to review to the ref, who should then be the one looking at the screens making HIS decision.
It should never be the purpose of some guy in a remote location making a on-pitch decision, only ever bringing incidents to the refs attention for him to decide.
To me its clear the refs dont want that pressure and attention, because they then have nowhere to hide. They're bottling it
posted on 4/11/19
Won't be long before they have FA officials in the stands canvassing for mobile phone footage from the fans in the mindless pursuit of the perfect camera angle.
posted on 4/11/19
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
posted on 4/11/19
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
posted on 4/11/19
var has made a bad situation worse.
i would much rather have a refs bad decision real time then to have the game delayed by var and still get it wrong.
offsides wrong, handballs wrong and we sit waiting like its some plodding north american sport.
goal celebrations aren't even the same. hate it, get rid.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 8 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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Yeah. Before VAR it would not have been given as the ref didn't blow for it.
VAR is presenting the opportunity to correct this but still they can't. Why?
posted on 4/11/19
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 1 minute ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Scottish football Just because it's shiiiit, does that mean it has soul!
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
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But that's the point, it was missed by the ref, it doesn't matter if it was missed by fans or players didn't appeal. When the opportunity presented itself to correct it, it wasn't corrected.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
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But that's the point, it was missed by the ref, it doesn't matter if it was missed by fans or players didn't appeal. When the opportunity presented itself to correct it, it wasn't corrected.
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You have to ask why?
A 10 year old could do it.
As a result, VAR is getting a lot of criticism 🤔🤔🤔
posted on 4/11/19
its fine just fans and pundits getting worked up to a frenzy over every decision that's spoiling it
posted on 4/11/19
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 30 seconds ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Well that’s not cliched at all
posted on 4/11/19
Hate the idea of it and it's actually worse than I imagined it would be.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be cli... (U3867)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 'Clear and obvious' mantra seems to have went out the window as well. the Alli handball is a clear and obvious a mistake as you will see, yet they still took 5 mins and didn't overturn it. It's insane.
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yes but.....so clear and obvious no one even saw it happen in real time, no one appealed, no one except the TV viewer knew what was being reviewed.
Also, i think they were looking to see if it deflected off the defender in any way before hitting Alli. It did look like it might have just caught the defenders shoulder first before hitting Alli....so were are down to stupid tiny margins which take an age to review and if there is doubt and takes that long to assess, surely this is proof enough that it is not clear and obvious.
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But that's the point, it was missed by the ref, it doesn't matter if it was missed by fans or players didn't appeal. When the opportunity presented itself to correct it, it wasn't corrected.
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This goes to the heart of my issue with it.
No one saw it. If play had gone on, no one would have been bothered, the ebb and flow of the game continues and may be later on if a replay is shown there's emotions either way about what happened (just as there are now but without all the VAR bollox)
Compare that to what happened.
The balance is between getting the decision 100% right vs the enjoyment of the game.
The latter is suffering because every decision being assessed is being done so at great length to get it 100% right. No point having replays if its guess work. Was there a deflection off the defender first? may be, may be not. VAR must have ruled enough doubt to not enable a 100% conclusion. That must be the reasoning because no debate it hit his arm .
Problem is we dont know what is being considered. If this was rugby it would be as follows, with ref chatting to TMO.
Ref - I saw nothing, but we are checking for a clear handball
TMO - I'll show you these replays and it clearly hits his hand, but not sure if it first deflected off the defender to any degree, looks like to might have.
Ref/TMO - It might have come off the defender first, there's some doubt, its not 100% clear so favour goes with the on-field decision. No handball. Play on. If the pen had been given by the ref at the time then under review, with some doubt, the on field decision would have stayed.
All this should be heard and seen, so at least we know whats happening, the decision is explained and fans can understand the reasoning, even if you don't agree. Currently no one knows whats being considered or discussed, the reasoning and therefore will never understand the decision.
posted on 4/11/19
and what was the Son red?
That didnt seem to follow any sort of refereeing or VAR protocol.
He saw the injury and
or
he and was told by VAR to
either way, wrong application of the laws of the game.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 1 minute ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Scottish footballJust because it's shiiiit, does that mean it has soul!
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and who was the last British team to concede 7 in Europe
posted on 4/11/19
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 30 seconds ago
English football deserves VAR - over-paid, over-hyped, no soul & now somebody in a dark room miles away measures arm-pits. You couldn't make it up
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Well that’s not cliched at all
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posted on 4/11/19
Great point
The standard of Scottish football is contingent on Tottenham's results.
posted on 4/11/19
Tottenham
posted on 4/11/19
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 55 seconds ago
Tottenham
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Grow up,
posted on 4/11/19
Scrap the way its done now and implement the way its done in Union big screen and all with refs call being final. Players and managers to keep at least 10 yards away while the decision is being made.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by IfUNo (U4755)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tottenham
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Cringe
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