comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 13 minutes ago
For me, the refs should be held accountable and made to do post mach interviews to explain their decisions, just like players, coaches and managers do.
Also, we all know the refs did not want VAR to start with, so I think they are deliberately making it look controversal, and they are deliberately making it seem useless just to get rid of it, because they know ultimately, VAR will show up the incompetent refs for what they are.
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do we know this...I don't
I'd say they'd all want what's best for the game...this is VAR if & when used correctly...& sorting out the ridiculous current hand ball rules
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 12 minutes ago
For me, the refs should be held accountable and made to do post mach interviews to explain their decisions, just like players, coaches and managers do.
Also, we all know the refs did not want VAR to start with, so I think they are deliberately making it look controversal, and they are deliberately making it seem useless just to get rid of it, because they know ultimately, VAR will show up the incompetent refs for what they are.
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You truly believe that?
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Do you honestly believe that they are making all these controversial and obviously wrong decisions by mistake ?
And I do not mean the odd howler, but the downright obvious mind blowing decisions that we are seeing week in week out. They cannot seriously be that stupid. Surely ?
LordDowlias (U3236)
I don't think they are making that many 'obviously wrong' decisions.
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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The offside has been explained, the handball was debatable imo, not sure about the other three.
There's a big difference between a fan disagreeing with a decision and it being obviously wrong.
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
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I don't agree that it was that clear cut.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
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I don't agree that it was that clear cut.
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you'll tell me why then....
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
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I don't agree that it was that clear cut.
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you'll tell me why then....
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Because it's just a fact that when you're playing football - particularly jumping in a challenge - your arms can go all over the place.
I may be wrong as the rule has been tweaked, but the traditional point of the rule is to punish deliberate handling and I don't think it was clear cut that he was trying to influence the ball with his hand up there, I just think it was a result of the challenge.
It is usually an offence if a player:
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Hard to see how Alli got away with it.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 seconds ago
It is usually an offence if a player:
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Hard to see how Alli got away with it.
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yep....just plain wrong
They really need to correct (or clarify) the handball rules before calling out VAR...
Chelsea got a ridiculous penalty for a handball in the CL...which was subsequently missed by Barkley, which was just plain wrong for the other end of the rule scale
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
‘Usually an offence’
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that's a strange statement isn't it....makes you wonder what unusually is...
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 7 seconds ago
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
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Are you saying that's what's referred to as "unusually" ?
Yeah. No other exception is mentioned anywhere in the laws.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 35 minutes ago
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
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That would imply that if a ball hits the hand of a player with his arm above his head that it is automatically handball, and that is not the case.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 35 minutes ago
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
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That would imply that if a ball hits the hand of a player with his arm above his head that it is automatically handball, and that is not the case.
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No it doesnt. It states explicitly that if a player kicks it against his hand it is not handball.
Apart from that, yes it is handball.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Apart from that, yes it is handball.
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That’s incorrect.
Perhaps Winston will provide a reason why it's incorrect
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
No it isnt.
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Yes it is, and the Alli incident is proof of that.
It’s still deliberate handball.
Arms above the head are part of the guidance to referees but the laws absolutely don’t give black and white rules that you’re claiming.
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posted on 18/11/19
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 13 minutes ago
For me, the refs should be held accountable and made to do post mach interviews to explain their decisions, just like players, coaches and managers do.
Also, we all know the refs did not want VAR to start with, so I think they are deliberately making it look controversal, and they are deliberately making it seem useless just to get rid of it, because they know ultimately, VAR will show up the incompetent refs for what they are.
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do we know this...I don't
I'd say they'd all want what's best for the game...this is VAR if & when used correctly...& sorting out the ridiculous current hand ball rules
posted on 18/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 12 minutes ago
For me, the refs should be held accountable and made to do post mach interviews to explain their decisions, just like players, coaches and managers do.
Also, we all know the refs did not want VAR to start with, so I think they are deliberately making it look controversal, and they are deliberately making it seem useless just to get rid of it, because they know ultimately, VAR will show up the incompetent refs for what they are.
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You truly believe that?
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Do you honestly believe that they are making all these controversial and obviously wrong decisions by mistake ?
And I do not mean the odd howler, but the downright obvious mind blowing decisions that we are seeing week in week out. They cannot seriously be that stupid. Surely ?
posted on 18/11/19
LordDowlias (U3236)
I don't think they are making that many 'obviously wrong' decisions.
posted on 18/11/19
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 2 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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The offside has been explained, the handball was debatable imo, not sure about the other three.
There's a big difference between a fan disagreeing with a decision and it being obviously wrong.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
posted on 18/11/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
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I don't agree that it was that clear cut.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
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I don't agree that it was that clear cut.
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you'll tell me why then....
posted on 18/11/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Firmino offside, the Dele Ali handball,David Silva vs Bournemouth, Sebastien Haller vs Norwich City, Youri Tielemans vs Bournemouth.
Those are just a few off the top of my head, there have been countless others.
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These were made by VAR panel...not refs...or is that what you meant...?
In which case you'd have to wonder, because the Alli handball was just entirely the wrong desicion
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I don't agree that it was that clear cut.
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you'll tell me why then....
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Because it's just a fact that when you're playing football - particularly jumping in a challenge - your arms can go all over the place.
I may be wrong as the rule has been tweaked, but the traditional point of the rule is to punish deliberate handling and I don't think it was clear cut that he was trying to influence the ball with his hand up there, I just think it was a result of the challenge.
posted on 18/11/19
It is usually an offence if a player:
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Hard to see how Alli got away with it.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 seconds ago
It is usually an offence if a player:
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Hard to see how Alli got away with it.
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yep....just plain wrong
posted on 18/11/19
They really need to correct (or clarify) the handball rules before calling out VAR...
Chelsea got a ridiculous penalty for a handball in the CL...which was subsequently missed by Barkley, which was just plain wrong for the other end of the rule scale
posted on 18/11/19
‘Usually an offence’
posted on 18/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
‘Usually an offence’
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that's a strange statement isn't it....makes you wonder what unusually is...
posted on 18/11/19
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 7 seconds ago
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
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Are you saying that's what's referred to as "unusually" ?
posted on 18/11/19
Yeah. No other exception is mentioned anywhere in the laws.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 35 minutes ago
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
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That would imply that if a ball hits the hand of a player with his arm above his head that it is automatically handball, and that is not the case.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 35 minutes ago
If a player plays it against his own hand. It says it in the rule.
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That would imply that if a ball hits the hand of a player with his arm above his head that it is automatically handball, and that is not the case.
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No it doesnt. It states explicitly that if a player kicks it against his hand it is not handball.
posted on 18/11/19
Apart from that, yes it is handball.
posted on 18/11/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Apart from that, yes it is handball.
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That’s incorrect.
posted on 18/11/19
No it isnt.
posted on 18/11/19
Winston wrong yet again.
posted on 18/11/19
Perhaps Winston will provide a reason why it's incorrect
posted on 18/11/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
No it isnt.
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Yes it is, and the Alli incident is proof of that.
It’s still deliberate handball.
Arms above the head are part of the guidance to referees but the laws absolutely don’t give black and white rules that you’re claiming.
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