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comment by gratedbean (U4885)
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“ They would happily move away if he got into power. Then where exactly is the money coming from?”
Where are they going to move to? Corporation tax in this country is currently lower than France, Germany, China, even the fecking USA! And that’s forgetting a lot of it is being avoided/evaded by the big players. Almost 1 in 5 big corporations paid nothing in UK corporation tax in 2018.
It’s not that if we squeeze them a bit they will move abroad. It’s that they are totally taking the pizz out of us at the moment.
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Ireland, due to it's location, would be favourite but also Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Holland, Japan, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Canada to name a few.
And how did Germany (15%) and the US (21%) get in your list?
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Your forgetting Germany has solidarity sub charge and trade tax on top of that. In total it’s closer to 30 percent.
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What he said. Also USA at 21% is higher than ours.
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At the moment yeah but we're not talking about now are we - we're talking about after Jeremy has offered the population free Haribo for life!
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In that Case you’ve kind of just undone your own point. You said Ireland would be a good bet, but their already a good bet at 7% lower than us (or whatever the exact figure is) so why are they still here?
As I said earlier. Almost 1 in 5 big companies paid zero UK corporation tax last year. There is a fecking big money forest already operating here, it’s called Amazon.
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I won't speak for them but presumably 19% is amicable for them, start putting it up to Labour's aspirations and they'll probably think again!
Glad to hear Amazon are going to come to our rescue though!
Well with with many jobs that are going to be automate in the next 20 years m essential services need to be ‘free.’ Next step is universal income
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Some other policies:
-100k extra council houses a year
- Eradicate food banks in 3 years
The low income workers should be all over labour.
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The low income workers who are going to have their low pay cut by at least 20%???
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Why will they?
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This 4 day working week, will they be getting 5 days pay for it?
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Your wage just doesn't drop 20%.
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So how does it work?
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Well no, the point is that people work longer hours in the 4 days.
It could potentially work in the private sector although I doubt anyone would be too keen on it unless the rest of the world aligns itself the same way.
But as I said before, it just wont happen in the NHS because people do not stop being sick on non-working days. You would have to implement a proper 7 day service and to do so you would need to adopt 4 days on, 3 days off shift patterns which would stretch staff to their bare bones. This has been trialled already in some parts of the NHS and it hasn't worked.
All in all it is a complete nonsense which ruins his credibility IMO.
Brummie I’m not going to hit reply on that because their getting long!
I think 26% is reasonable.
Australia would still be higher. Germany, Austria 25%, Belgium higher, Canada’s upper rate far higher, China 25%, in line with France, Holland, Spain and Italy.
Bench-marking U.S. quality measures against those of similarly large and wealthy countries is one way to assess how successful the U.S. has been at improving care for its population, and to learn from systems that often produce better outcomes. The OECD has compiled data on dozens of outcomes and process measures. Across a number of these measures, the U.S. lags behind similarly wealthy OECD countries (those that are similarly large and wealthy based on GDP and GDP per capita). In some cases, such as the rates of all-cause mortality, premature death, death amenable to healthcare, and disease burden, the U.S. is also not improving as quickly as other countries, which means the gap is growing.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
Take a look, draw your own conclusions. US also pays significantly more for medicines and has higher infant mortality rates than any other comparable country.
But yeah, you can also listen to the schidt peddled by pharma lobby funded websites and come to the conclusion they're better off.
The rest of us can conclude that if you do, you're a blithering idiot.
“The UK has single handedly done the most to break down global corporation tax system which loses approx 395b annually through avoidance”
Tax haven countries linked to Britain are responsible for roughly 1/3 of this. That’s four times higher than the next biggest contributor - the Netherlands.
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
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Well with with many jobs that are going to be automate in the next 20 years m essential services need to be ‘free.’ Next step is universal income
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Yes without doubt.
If we're to stand any chance of not completely destroying the planet within a couple of generations (although it's probably already too late sadly) then we we need to move on from a growth based economy too
time too take are country back
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Well with with many jobs that are going to be automate in the next 20 years m essential services need to be ‘free.’ Next step is universal income
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Yes without doubt.
If we're to stand any chance of not completely destroying the planet within a couple of generations (although it's probably already too late sadly) then we we need to move on from a growth based economy too
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These Labour policies seem like preparation for the robot revolution.
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posted 17 minutes ago
Brummie I’m not going to hit reply on that because their getting long!
I think 26% is reasonable.
Australia would still be higher. Germany, Austria 25%, Belgium higher, Canada’s upper rate far higher, China 25%, in line with France, Holland, Spain and Italy.
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Probably wise, let's start war n peace again!
The sources I've seen don't reflect the figure you give for most counties (China apart because I've no idea what there's is).
However I think we've done this topic to death now!
5 for bringing up some stimulating debate though! Chelsea1
Corbyn has a far greater grasp of facts and detail than Boris, who is arguably the worst leader in a generation.
However I think we've done this topic to death now!
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Buckle in you’ve got another 3 or 4 weeks of it to go!
Good chat 🤙
It's good we're getting to the stage in places like this where supporters of people like Johnson and Trump have absolutely no leg to stand on.
In the larger world they will be beat people with sheer numbers spreading lies and misinformation but here it's decimated quite swiftly and they just end up embarrassing themselves.
Aren't these plans over a few years, some over a decade?
The four day work week has been trialed in several places. It's worked for more than it hasn't. But the issues with the NHS is that they need more staff and its a service needed 24/7. If they are understaffed (or any organisation) the 4 day week is seen as a dream. If you have the means (i.e. Adequate number of staff) it can work. But it's not going to fit all sectors.
Even the broadband, the plans are quite sensible once you read into it, and rather than go off on it based on newspaper articles. It's not like they will give all this in the first year.
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Even the broadband, the plans are quite sensible once you read into it, and rather than go off on it based on newspaper articles. It's not like they will give all this in the first year.
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The broadband is definitely a great idea, what's funny is no political party are even denying that. Also tax payers already pay for the infrastructure, we've just ended up (as it stands now) with a hopeless system that's privitising the profits, just like our rail, water and energy sectors
Free 37.5 hours a week childcare for 2 years or over
This policy I like the best. Instead of keeping kids in the house on their iPads. Send them to nursery where they will interact with other kids and also learn.
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Even the broadband, the plans are quite sensible once you read into it, and rather than go off on it based on newspaper articles. It's not like they will give all this in the first year.
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The broadband is definitely a great idea, what's funny is no political party are even denying that. Also tax payers already pay for the infrastructure, we've just ended up (as it stands now) with a hopeless system that's privitising the profits, just like our rail, water and energy sectors
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This is the thing though. Papers don't give the whole story. If the general public knew that it was already being paid for by the tax payers, do you think the reaction will be the same?
Even Sky News who claim they are the most reliable don't state this. I don't have access to the BBC anymore so I can't comment on theirs but from other sources, there seems to be this bit missing.
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
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Free 37.5 hours a week childcare for 2 years or over
This policy I like the best. Instead of keeping kids in the house on their iPads. Send them to nursery where they will interact with other kids and also learn.
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It's a good idea and I'd like to see it done.
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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From the current options available, who is better?
Johnson and Patel are much worse.
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comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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From the current options available, who is better?
Johnson and Patel are much worse.
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They have absolutely nothing to back up their point any more. An actual turrrd would be better than Johnson and Patel for this country.
Now you have Corbyn and McDonnell who've put forward brilliant, costed policies they're really rattled.
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comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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From the current options available, who is better?
Johnson and Patel are much worse.
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They have absolutely nothing to back up their point any more. An actual turrrd would be better than Johnson and Patel for this country.
Now you have Corbyn and McDonnell who've put forward brilliant, costed policies they're really rattled.
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comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 8 minutes ago
“ They would happily move away if he got into power. Then where exactly is the money coming from?”
Where are they going to move to? Corporation tax in this country is currently lower than France, Germany, China, even the fecking USA! And that’s forgetting a lot of it is being avoided/evaded by the big players. Almost 1 in 5 big corporations paid nothing in UK corporation tax in 2018.
It’s not that if we squeeze them a bit they will move abroad. It’s that they are totally taking the pizz out of us at the moment.
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Ireland, due to it's location, would be favourite but also Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Holland, Japan, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Canada to name a few.
And how did Germany (15%) and the US (21%) get in your list?
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Your forgetting Germany has solidarity sub charge and trade tax on top of that. In total it’s closer to 30 percent.
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What he said. Also USA at 21% is higher than ours.
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At the moment yeah but we're not talking about now are we - we're talking about after Jeremy has offered the population free Haribo for life!
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In that Case you’ve kind of just undone your own point. You said Ireland would be a good bet, but their already a good bet at 7% lower than us (or whatever the exact figure is) so why are they still here?
As I said earlier. Almost 1 in 5 big companies paid zero UK corporation tax last year. There is a fecking big money forest already operating here, it’s called Amazon.
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I won't speak for them but presumably 19% is amicable for them, start putting it up to Labour's aspirations and they'll probably think again!
Glad to hear Amazon are going to come to our rescue though!
posted on 21/11/19
Well with with many jobs that are going to be automate in the next 20 years m essential services need to be ‘free.’ Next step is universal income
posted on 21/11/19
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
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comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Some other policies:
-100k extra council houses a year
- Eradicate food banks in 3 years
The low income workers should be all over labour.
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The low income workers who are going to have their low pay cut by at least 20%???
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Why will they?
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This 4 day working week, will they be getting 5 days pay for it?
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Your wage just doesn't drop 20%.
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So how does it work?
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Well no, the point is that people work longer hours in the 4 days.
It could potentially work in the private sector although I doubt anyone would be too keen on it unless the rest of the world aligns itself the same way.
But as I said before, it just wont happen in the NHS because people do not stop being sick on non-working days. You would have to implement a proper 7 day service and to do so you would need to adopt 4 days on, 3 days off shift patterns which would stretch staff to their bare bones. This has been trialled already in some parts of the NHS and it hasn't worked.
All in all it is a complete nonsense which ruins his credibility IMO.
posted on 21/11/19
Brummie I’m not going to hit reply on that because their getting long!
I think 26% is reasonable.
Australia would still be higher. Germany, Austria 25%, Belgium higher, Canada’s upper rate far higher, China 25%, in line with France, Holland, Spain and Italy.
posted on 21/11/19
Bench-marking U.S. quality measures against those of similarly large and wealthy countries is one way to assess how successful the U.S. has been at improving care for its population, and to learn from systems that often produce better outcomes. The OECD has compiled data on dozens of outcomes and process measures. Across a number of these measures, the U.S. lags behind similarly wealthy OECD countries (those that are similarly large and wealthy based on GDP and GDP per capita). In some cases, such as the rates of all-cause mortality, premature death, death amenable to healthcare, and disease burden, the U.S. is also not improving as quickly as other countries, which means the gap is growing.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016
Take a look, draw your own conclusions. US also pays significantly more for medicines and has higher infant mortality rates than any other comparable country.
But yeah, you can also listen to the schidt peddled by pharma lobby funded websites and come to the conclusion they're better off.
The rest of us can conclude that if you do, you're a blithering idiot.
posted on 22/11/19
“The UK has single handedly done the most to break down global corporation tax system which loses approx 395b annually through avoidance”
Tax haven countries linked to Britain are responsible for roughly 1/3 of this. That’s four times higher than the next biggest contributor - the Netherlands.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 7 minutes ago
Well with with many jobs that are going to be automate in the next 20 years m essential services need to be ‘free.’ Next step is universal income
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Yes without doubt.
If we're to stand any chance of not completely destroying the planet within a couple of generations (although it's probably already too late sadly) then we we need to move on from a growth based economy too
posted on 22/11/19
time too take are country back
posted on 22/11/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 7 minutes ago
Well with with many jobs that are going to be automate in the next 20 years m essential services need to be ‘free.’ Next step is universal income
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Yes without doubt.
If we're to stand any chance of not completely destroying the planet within a couple of generations (although it's probably already too late sadly) then we we need to move on from a growth based economy too
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These Labour policies seem like preparation for the robot revolution.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 17 minutes ago
Brummie I’m not going to hit reply on that because their getting long!
I think 26% is reasonable.
Australia would still be higher. Germany, Austria 25%, Belgium higher, Canada’s upper rate far higher, China 25%, in line with France, Holland, Spain and Italy.
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Probably wise, let's start war n peace again!
The sources I've seen don't reflect the figure you give for most counties (China apart because I've no idea what there's is).
However I think we've done this topic to death now!
posted on 22/11/19
5 for bringing up some stimulating debate though! Chelsea1
posted on 22/11/19
Corbyn has a far greater grasp of facts and detail than Boris, who is arguably the worst leader in a generation.
posted on 22/11/19
However I think we've done this topic to death now!
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Buckle in you’ve got another 3 or 4 weeks of it to go!
Good chat 🤙
posted on 22/11/19
It's good we're getting to the stage in places like this where supporters of people like Johnson and Trump have absolutely no leg to stand on.
In the larger world they will be beat people with sheer numbers spreading lies and misinformation but here it's decimated quite swiftly and they just end up embarrassing themselves.
posted on 22/11/19
Aren't these plans over a few years, some over a decade?
The four day work week has been trialed in several places. It's worked for more than it hasn't. But the issues with the NHS is that they need more staff and its a service needed 24/7. If they are understaffed (or any organisation) the 4 day week is seen as a dream. If you have the means (i.e. Adequate number of staff) it can work. But it's not going to fit all sectors.
posted on 22/11/19
Even the broadband, the plans are quite sensible once you read into it, and rather than go off on it based on newspaper articles. It's not like they will give all this in the first year.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 8 minutes ago
Even the broadband, the plans are quite sensible once you read into it, and rather than go off on it based on newspaper articles. It's not like they will give all this in the first year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The broadband is definitely a great idea, what's funny is no political party are even denying that. Also tax payers already pay for the infrastructure, we've just ended up (as it stands now) with a hopeless system that's privitising the profits, just like our rail, water and energy sectors
posted on 22/11/19
Free 37.5 hours a week childcare for 2 years or over
This policy I like the best. Instead of keeping kids in the house on their iPads. Send them to nursery where they will interact with other kids and also learn.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 8 minutes ago
Even the broadband, the plans are quite sensible once you read into it, and rather than go off on it based on newspaper articles. It's not like they will give all this in the first year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The broadband is definitely a great idea, what's funny is no political party are even denying that. Also tax payers already pay for the infrastructure, we've just ended up (as it stands now) with a hopeless system that's privitising the profits, just like our rail, water and energy sectors
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This is the thing though. Papers don't give the whole story. If the general public knew that it was already being paid for by the tax payers, do you think the reaction will be the same?
Even Sky News who claim they are the most reliable don't state this. I don't have access to the BBC anymore so I can't comment on theirs but from other sources, there seems to be this bit missing.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by Chelsea1 (U22265)
posted 43 minutes ago
Free 37.5 hours a week childcare for 2 years or over
This policy I like the best. Instead of keeping kids in the house on their iPads. Send them to nursery where they will interact with other kids and also learn.
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It's a good idea and I'd like to see it done.
posted on 22/11/19
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 52 minutes ago
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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posted on 22/11/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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From the current options available, who is better?
Johnson and Patel are much worse.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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From the current options available, who is better?
Johnson and Patel are much worse.
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They have absolutely nothing to back up their point any more. An actual turrrd would be better than Johnson and Patel for this country.
Now you have Corbyn and McDonnell who've put forward brilliant, costed policies they're really rattled.
posted on 22/11/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Anybody who thinks Jeremy Corbyn should be leader of this country and Dianne Abbott Home secretary needs shooting.
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From the current options available, who is better?
Johnson and Patel are much worse.
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They have absolutely nothing to back up their point any more. An actual turrrd would be better than Johnson and Patel for this country.
Now you have Corbyn and McDonnell who've put forward brilliant, costed policies they're really rattled.
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