comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 3 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/9cFMVPgQuic 1 min 16 secs in for best angle.
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Seen them given. The ref may have been swayed by Greenwood already going down before the kick. I'd be swayed more towards the penalty for that one. But then you did get a penalty for a James dive and scored against Liverpool after a foul on Origi, not too dissimilar from the Greenwood one you're claiming was a penalty.

The thing is the Palace goal ruled out was due to an incident not relevant to the goal and it was ruled out. Liverpool against City had a goal scored when the outstretched arm denied pretty much an open goal for City.

I agree Man Utd got lucky against Liverpool with goal but then you see one 10x more a foul today and VAR doesn’t even check it. The 1st goal never would be given under VAR in any other game this season. The only reason they scored was due to taking our player out. Most if the time in that situation the defender gets goalside, either rolls it to keeper or out of play.


Oh well I given up on top 4. All hopes on Europa League and trying to beat Liverpool on the expected points table although VAR has killed us many extra expected points and gained Liverpool loads.

Oh well. I will just have to hope we win the Europa League. Similarities between 16:17 season of so many unlucky games. That season we won the fewest premierleague games bur statistically was great for most of season.

Hopefully we can win the treble in cups. Also nearly every away game this season the opposition score a worldie against us or is it De Gea is useless. Considering since March we have conceding significantly more than expected and score significantly less than expected in away games I would say when we go away we get scared. De Gea should really have saved all 3 goals.

It's so annoying those 3 points could have kick statrted our season and kept the momentum up and we had to have blatant cheating cost us. I like how Palace goal disallowed for something that didn't effect goal and then we have a clear foul that costs us a goal and it's it even checked.

https://mobile.twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1198645985607585793
What I don't get is Palace goal was disallowed for something off the ball but ours cost us a goal due to foul in build up and they don't disallow it.

So you can foul a player aslong as theyve not touched the ball? Come on ffs. A foul is a foul there was no need for it and got punished for it that was VAR being good thats what we wanted it bringing in for. Nobody likes fouling in the box at set pieces anyway defending or attacking and even standing infront of a player blocking off runs etc was clamped down on recently and rightly so imo.

The TAA handball would never have happened if BS had not handballed it in the first place so advantage played by the ref in liverpools favour instead of giving liverpool a free kick turned out to be a great decision by the ref intentional or not.

Refs have never been consistent and VAR hasnt changed that... this conspiracy bollox is pathetic though. We have had as much ignored by var that has been given if not more.. and i expect will continue to do so in the future too as it will for everyone. Refs are inconsistent and pretty poor in this league imo, VAR is a great tool to have just has a few teething problems and it being used incompetently by our sorry bunch of officials.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 minute ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1198645985607585793
What I don't get is Palace goal was disallowed for something off the ball but ours cost us a goal due to foul in build up and they don't disallow it.
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Thats not a foul though is it? Its jones being pathetically weak and brushed off the ball by a fair shoulder to shoulder challenge

"and trying to beat Liverpool on the expected points table"

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
So you can foul a player aslong as theyve not touched the ball? Come on ffs. A foul is a foul there was no need for it and got punished for it that was VAR being good thats what we wanted it bringing in for. Nobody likes fouling in the box at set pieces anyway defending or attacking and even standing infront of a player blocking off runs etc was clamped down on recently and rightly so imo.

The TAA handball would never have happened if BS had not handballed it in the first place so advantage played by the ref in liverpools favour instead of giving liverpool a free kick turned out to be a great decision by the ref intentional or not.

Refs have never been consistent and VAR hasnt changed that... this conspiracy bollox is pathetic though. We have had as much ignored by var that has been given if not more.. and i expect will continue to do so in the future too as it will for everyone. Refs are inconsistent and pretty poor in this league imo, VAR is a great tool to have just has a few teething problems and it being used incompetently by our sorry bunch of officials.
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I agree taa one shouldnt be a pen. But the liverpool advantage should stop when taa does handballs it because its still a foul. The ref should of stopped the game after the handball.

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 1 minute ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1198645985607585793
What I don't get is Palace goal was disallowed for something off the ball but ours cost us a goal due to foul in build up and they don't disallow it.
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Thats not a foul though is it? Its jones being pathetically weak and brushed off the ball by a fair shoulder to shoulder challenge
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I see lovren getting done like that all the time i just shake my head in disgust 😂 pretty sure he did something very similar in the cup game one before arsenal. Its not a foul shoulder to shoulder challenges are still legal in football to my knowledge?

It wasn't shoulder to shoulder. If you saw replay you would see Jones is 2yds ahead he is in complete control. He was either about to pass it to De Gea or clear it and then gets smashed to the floor. Even commentator says bundled to the floor lol. It's equivalent to pushing the goalkeeper in the goal out of the way to score lol. It's illegal. Honestly don't know if VAR was in use as these decisions should have taken a few seconds to clear out.

Where is it shoulder to shoulder. Jones was 2yds ahead and then player smashes Jones to the floor with his hand with a lot of force.

I guarantee you know that the premierleague will apologise to Man Utd for making big mistakes but secretly they will be laughing. Lawro was worried by that decision by VAR to allow the goal as it was such a clear foul lol, you don't even need VAR to give that.

So if Man Utd come to Anfield and shove the keeper into the net and tap the ball in you will say it's a goal as keeper should have stayed strong lol.

Honestly thought there was corruption going on. Maybe Got_Better betting in VAR panel to deny us win. Only way to explain these decisions.

Meant now not know. Anyway I am so angry. Never felt so angry in ages. The only chances they pretty much created where from illegal ways. I can't recall a game that I was so annoyed before as this.

Knowing a win would have got us back in touch of 4th spot and then the ref cheats us out. What I don't get is how are these people allowed to officiate? All these games involving Man Utd has shown is most of these refs don't know most of the rules of the game. Even Arsenal game linesmen flags early so our players stop and Arsenal score. Ref didn't whistle so our players stopping costing us a goal and then they have perfect chance to level it out with clear handball on nox but no pen given.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 4 minutes ago
It wasn't shoulder to shoulder. If you saw replay you would see Jones is 2yds ahead he is in complete control. He was either about to pass it to De Gea or clear it and then gets smashed to the floor. Even commentator says bundled to the floor lol. It's equivalent to pushing the goalkeeper in the goal out of the way to score lol. It's illegal. Honestly don't know if VAR was in use as these decisions should have taken a few seconds to clear out.
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I just went and watched it again pause it on 54 seconds when contact is made mousett is infront on jones :/ nothing wrong with that jones had just facked it up big time and brushed off the ball, bundled to the floor doesnt mean foul, same as outmuscled etc can be done fairly in football such as shoulder to shoulder or getting tour body infront and shielding

Pause it on 0.53 they are arm to arm pause it on 0.54 mousetts infront nevilles comentary is jones looking over his shoulder and on that moment he loses control this the control you are claiming jones is in)

WTF, are you blind. Jones was 2 yards ahead and about to clear the ball and then just as he was about to kick it he got pushed by hand to the floor with a lot of force. He was never ahead. Jones was guarding the ball. It looks bad for Jones but in reality Jones did nothing wrong. He was about to clear it or pass it to De Gea and then he was taken out. It wasn't even a case of whether it was a foul. It was a guaranteed foul. Lawro thought it was a clear foul. In fact it was probably one of the easiest fouls to give in the game. It shouldn't have even gone to VAR.

Check at 1.02. Jones was about to clear the ball and got smashed out the way lol.

If the player doesn't take Jones out Jones clears it.

It's equivalent to a striker being behind a goalkeeper and goalkeeper was about to smash the ball and thenattacker pushes him out the way and scores. It was a 100% foul. It isn't even debateable. VAR had a howler.

If that was a goal for example in a CL final and it was to win it for us, I would say 100% should be disallowed. It's not even a debate really. It is so clear the foul. I honestly don't know why I am commenting so much on this but that decision has made a mockery out of VAR alone. That was such a clear decision. I guarantee you the. Premierleague refs will say they made huge error to award that goal and then laugh secretly at Man Utd demise.

They are going to add another 2 more to that list. https://www.givemesport.com/1523945-mike-riley-confirms-var-made-four-incorrect-decisions-before-international-break

comment by Blue_mooning (U12093)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
So you can foul a player aslong as theyve not touched the ball? Come on ffs. A foul is a foul there was no need for it and got punished for it that was VAR being good thats what we wanted it bringing in for. Nobody likes fouling in the box at set pieces anyway defending or attacking and even standing infront of a player blocking off runs etc was clamped down on recently and rightly so imo.

The TAA handball would never have happened if BS had not handballed it in the first place so advantage played by the ref in liverpools favour instead of giving liverpool a free kick turned out to be a great decision by the ref intentional or not.

Refs have never been consistent and VAR hasnt changed that... this conspiracy bollox is pathetic though. We have had as much ignored by var that has been given if not more.. and i expect will continue to do so in the future too as it will for everyone. Refs are inconsistent and pretty poor in this league imo, VAR is a great tool to have just has a few teething problems and it being used incompetently by our sorry bunch of officials.
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I agree taa one shouldnt be a pen. But the liverpool advantage should stop when taa does handballs it because its still a foul. The ref should of stopped the game after the handball.

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So if it's not a penalty, how is it a foul? What does the referee do? Give a freekick to Liverpool for TAA handballing it?

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 3 minutes ago
Check at 1.02. Jones was about to clear the ball and got smashed out the way lol.
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Paused it at 3 diff times at 1.02 its bang on shoulder to shoulder the last image paused on mousetts foot looks ahead, its not a better angle as the 0.53/4 one though.

Its irrelevant to me so im not even bias even as a liverpool fan as much as i enjoy utd dropping points couldnt even tell you where you are in the table these day. Are all Utd fans claiming this was a foul? Or just you? Just looks like weak defending to me. Neville would have said otherwise too so clearly he felt it was fair?