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The stats suggest rave hate incidents in football are on the rise:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/football-racism-proactive-efforts-sport-premier-league-a9231351.html
My point is, if fans are banned for life for this and rightly so, should the same standards apply to players?
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 27 minutes ago
The stats suggest rave hate incidents in football are on the rise:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/football-racism-proactive-efforts-sport-premier-league-a9231351.html
My point is, if fans are banned for life for this and rightly so, should the same standards apply to players?
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I blame the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 for rave hate.
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories
Surprised Labour not included there 👍👍
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767789/Jeremy-Corbyn-biggest-global-threat-Jews-warns-worlds-leading-Nazi-hunting-organisation.html
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 10 minutes ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767789/Jeremy-Corbyn-biggest-global-threat-Jews-warns-worlds-leading-Nazi-hunting-organisation.html
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Corbyn goes on my list, but so does the Daily Mail.
Sadly the Labour Party is being run by the unions and the far left.
Had it gone to the centre, would have had a good chance to win this election.
Boris all the way
There's as much chance of getting rid of racism as there is getting rid of murder.
Its never going to happen and if people think it can be stopped, they're delusional.
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Sadly the Labour Party is being run by the unions and the far left.
Had it gone to the centre, would have had a good chance to win this election.
Boris all the way
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The only way to lose an election against a lying immoral toerag that no-one trusts (including his own family)... like Johnson... is to have someone like corbyn as your leader.
The damage was done to the Labour Party when they picked the wrong Miliband.
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ……………………………………………………………………………………….. That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, and even the Labour party have been accused of anti Semitism within it. Don't think Tommy Robinson and EDL could be classed in the same mould as Tory, Labour, Brexit parties or their voters....Looking at the size of the crowd at the game, and how many racists idiots there were, keeps it in perspective. The racists are far outnumbered and will not be tolerated by the massive majority.
I'll be voting Labour had enough of the cuts under the tories
The cuts made by the Tories were _because_ of the financial mess left by the last Labour government.
Remember the "there's no money left" message left at the Treasury department?
Why do people not learn from past experience?
comment by icub4me (U10576)
posted 57 minutes ago
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ……………………………………………………………………………………….. That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
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Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth.
Read History...people don't change much including
most Prime Ministers and Presidents, they still tell
lies, exaggerate, practice prejudice of all kinds, are
extremely opinionated and vain, make bad decisions
and misjudgements most every day...
rather like most of us...we're all fallible aren't we?
Why pick on politicians?
What's changed is information technology with its
Instant news and views...have you noticed how
no one can change their mind anymore without
Receiving abuse?!
An example of English racial andsocial prejudice was
landlords notifying in their advertising for "vacancies
but no Irish or blacks"
As recent as post Second World War, if you were
born in the south of England you were discriminated
If you moved to the north of England. My family will
vouch for this and it happened in reverse too from
North to south.
Leedsfanfor45years
Ill vote for who I like thanks
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I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ………………………………………………………………………………………........ That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
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Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth...…………………………………………………………….............................The Brexit vote showed there were a very large number of people were wanting to go out into the world and deal with them, the world doesn't revolve around the EU....... And that's a very scathing attack on a lot of people that don't deserve it because they have a different opinion. As I said the vast majority will not tolerate racism, and don't accept this behaviour. But to assume we are a nation of some sort of biggots because of a very small number of idiots is a little silly. It's like saying all football fans are mainly thugs because of the behavior of a few. If this is the case where you live, I would be thinking of moving.
comment by icub4me (U10576)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ………………………………………………………………………………………........ That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth...…………………………………………………………….............................The Brexit vote showed there were a very large number of people were wanting to go out into the world and deal with them, the world doesn't revolve around the EU....... And that's a very scathing attack on a lot of people that don't deserve it because they have a different opinion. As I said the vast majority will not tolerate racism, and don't accept this behaviour. But to assume we are a nation of some sort of bigots because of a very small number of idiots is a little silly. It's like saying all football fans are mainly thugs because of the behavior of a few. If this is the case where you live, I would be thinking of moving.
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Wrong. It's an opinion.
Just like yours is an opinion.
My opinion is based on my experience, and looking at people's words, and then their actual deeds. That personal experience is not scientific and I cannot prove it to you. It is my real life experience. It does include a lot of working class and Labour supporting people too.
Your opinion will be based on whatever it is you wish it to be based upon - I don't question it. You have your opinion. It would be great if you could prove me wrong and provide clear evidence that what you state is right. Unfortunately, I don't think you have any.
You know what nobody is looking at here in the football world, how much off the racist crap comes from the so called "combat 18?"..
Believe it or not, but Combat 18 is a big thing here, and the N zis here are well in with them!..
Sometimes it isn't the normal football fan that twists things, but they are known to be well in the footballing ranks, and not just by you!..
Sorry, I ain't got much off a clue, but one thing I do know is there are groups that are well in the football world that will do things for their way of thinking!..
Feck me, I'm just back from watching Bremen get beat by the last team in the league,(how often does that happen?)and beer is kicking in, but, Combat 18 and their sort will have something if not a lot to do with this sort of thing!..
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
Leedsfanfor45years
Ill vote for who I like thanks
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Why on Earth would you think I wouldn't want you to vote for who you like?
I was just pointing out the historic facts that meant the Tories HAD to implement cutbacks across the board.
Whether you take on board or discard those facts is entirely up to you. Just don't be surprised if, after a Corbyn-led Labour government, we end up having to have "Austerity Mk II -- This time it's really gonna hurt!"
From the synopsis of a new film:
'Hate Among Us' illustrates how renewed intolerance is taking root in our communities, institutions and universities, with far reaching consequences around the world.
Note - "around the world."
It's a global thing Jonny - it's not exclusive to any particular country, I've always believed that. I've travelled loads to varying parts of the globe, it's not a trait specific to these shores. No place for it either in a stadium or a wider society, but my guess it'll exist to an extent infinitum.
As for the politics and who to vote for. Just vote for who the hell you want to. I don't care if you vote labour, Tory or Lib Dem - or whatever floats your boat.
Just get out and vote. Don't complain if you don't get what you wanted and didn't bother going out to.
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ………………………………………………………………………………………........ That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth...…………………………………………………………….............................The Brexit vote showed there were a very large number of people were wanting to go out into the world and deal with them, the world doesn't revolve around the EU....... And that's a very scathing attack on a lot of people that don't deserve it because they have a different opinion. As I said the vast majority will not tolerate racism, and don't accept this behaviour. But to assume we are a nation of some sort of bigots because of a very small number of idiots is a little silly. It's like saying all football fans are mainly thugs because of the behavior of a few. If this is the case where you live, I would be thinking of moving.
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Wrong. It's an opinion.
Just like yours is an opinion.
My opinion is based on my experience, and looking at people's words, and then their actual deeds. That personal experience is not scientific and I cannot prove it to you. It is my real life experience. It does include a lot of working class and Labour supporting people too.
Your opinion will be based on whatever it is you wish it to be based upon - I don't question it. You have your opinion. It would be great if you could prove me wrong and provide clear evidence that what you state is right. Unfortunately, I don't think you have any. ………………………………………………………………………………….I questioned why you would tar us as a nation of bigots when I know that most people are not that, and will fight against these racist idiots. It was you that did the judging not me. I pointed out that it could be said most football fans could be classed as thugs because of a very small number of idiots, when I know that when I go to games or talk to people they are not all thugs. You are right, there is some but not all are intolerant louts, but you are being unfair to the vast majority that detest these people and this behaviour. I pointed out to you, look at the size of the crowd at the Manchester game and how many idiots there were, and you will see it was just a very small proportion,so was all those that attended racist or not ?. but you seem to know what people think behind closed doors, or racists when they have had drinks. You even think the same of Brexit voters without knowing them or why they voted the way they did. Sorry, it wasn't me that judged, it was you.
https://twitter.com/garylineker/status/1203984119937585152
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posted on 8/12/19
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posted on 8/12/19
The stats suggest rave hate incidents in football are on the rise:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/football-racism-proactive-efforts-sport-premier-league-a9231351.html
My point is, if fans are banned for life for this and rightly so, should the same standards apply to players?
posted on 8/12/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 27 minutes ago
The stats suggest rave hate incidents in football are on the rise:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/football-racism-proactive-efforts-sport-premier-league-a9231351.html
My point is, if fans are banned for life for this and rightly so, should the same standards apply to players?
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I blame the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 for rave hate.
posted on 8/12/19
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories
posted on 8/12/19
Surprised Labour not included there 👍👍
posted on 8/12/19
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767789/Jeremy-Corbyn-biggest-global-threat-Jews-warns-worlds-leading-Nazi-hunting-organisation.html
posted on 8/12/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 10 minutes ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767789/Jeremy-Corbyn-biggest-global-threat-Jews-warns-worlds-leading-Nazi-hunting-organisation.html
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Corbyn goes on my list, but so does the Daily Mail.
posted on 8/12/19
Sadly the Labour Party is being run by the unions and the far left.
Had it gone to the centre, would have had a good chance to win this election.
Boris all the way
posted on 8/12/19
There's as much chance of getting rid of racism as there is getting rid of murder.
Its never going to happen and if people think it can be stopped, they're delusional.
posted on 8/12/19
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
Sadly the Labour Party is being run by the unions and the far left.
Had it gone to the centre, would have had a good chance to win this election.
Boris all the way
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The only way to lose an election against a lying immoral toerag that no-one trusts (including his own family)... like Johnson... is to have someone like corbyn as your leader.
The damage was done to the Labour Party when they picked the wrong Miliband.
posted on 8/12/19
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ……………………………………………………………………………………….. That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, and even the Labour party have been accused of anti Semitism within it. Don't think Tommy Robinson and EDL could be classed in the same mould as Tory, Labour, Brexit parties or their voters....Looking at the size of the crowd at the game, and how many racists idiots there were, keeps it in perspective. The racists are far outnumbered and will not be tolerated by the massive majority.
posted on 8/12/19
I'll be voting Labour had enough of the cuts under the tories
posted on 8/12/19
The cuts made by the Tories were _because_ of the financial mess left by the last Labour government.
Remember the "there's no money left" message left at the Treasury department?
Why do people not learn from past experience?
posted on 8/12/19
comment by icub4me (U10576)
posted 57 minutes ago
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ……………………………………………………………………………………….. That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth.
posted on 8/12/19
Read History...people don't change much including
most Prime Ministers and Presidents, they still tell
lies, exaggerate, practice prejudice of all kinds, are
extremely opinionated and vain, make bad decisions
and misjudgements most every day...
rather like most of us...we're all fallible aren't we?
Why pick on politicians?
What's changed is information technology with its
Instant news and views...have you noticed how
no one can change their mind anymore without
Receiving abuse?!
An example of English racial andsocial prejudice was
landlords notifying in their advertising for "vacancies
but no Irish or blacks"
As recent as post Second World War, if you were
born in the south of England you were discriminated
If you moved to the north of England. My family will
vouch for this and it happened in reverse too from
North to south.
posted on 8/12/19
Leedsfanfor45years
Ill vote for who I like thanks
posted on 8/12/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/12/19
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ………………………………………………………………………………………........ That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth...…………………………………………………………….............................The Brexit vote showed there were a very large number of people were wanting to go out into the world and deal with them, the world doesn't revolve around the EU....... And that's a very scathing attack on a lot of people that don't deserve it because they have a different opinion. As I said the vast majority will not tolerate racism, and don't accept this behaviour. But to assume we are a nation of some sort of biggots because of a very small number of idiots is a little silly. It's like saying all football fans are mainly thugs because of the behavior of a few. If this is the case where you live, I would be thinking of moving.
posted on 8/12/19
comment by icub4me (U10576)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ………………………………………………………………………………………........ That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth...…………………………………………………………….............................The Brexit vote showed there were a very large number of people were wanting to go out into the world and deal with them, the world doesn't revolve around the EU....... And that's a very scathing attack on a lot of people that don't deserve it because they have a different opinion. As I said the vast majority will not tolerate racism, and don't accept this behaviour. But to assume we are a nation of some sort of bigots because of a very small number of idiots is a little silly. It's like saying all football fans are mainly thugs because of the behavior of a few. If this is the case where you live, I would be thinking of moving.
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Wrong. It's an opinion.
Just like yours is an opinion.
My opinion is based on my experience, and looking at people's words, and then their actual deeds. That personal experience is not scientific and I cannot prove it to you. It is my real life experience. It does include a lot of working class and Labour supporting people too.
Your opinion will be based on whatever it is you wish it to be based upon - I don't question it. You have your opinion. It would be great if you could prove me wrong and provide clear evidence that what you state is right. Unfortunately, I don't think you have any.
posted on 8/12/19
You know what nobody is looking at here in the football world, how much off the racist crap comes from the so called "combat 18?"..
Believe it or not, but Combat 18 is a big thing here, and the N zis here are well in with them!..
Sometimes it isn't the normal football fan that twists things, but they are known to be well in the footballing ranks, and not just by you!..
Sorry, I ain't got much off a clue, but one thing I do know is there are groups that are well in the football world that will do things for their way of thinking!..
Feck me, I'm just back from watching Bremen get beat by the last team in the league,(how often does that happen?)and beer is kicking in, but, Combat 18 and their sort will have something if not a lot to do with this sort of thing!..
posted on 9/12/19
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
Leedsfanfor45years
Ill vote for who I like thanks
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why on Earth would you think I wouldn't want you to vote for who you like?
I was just pointing out the historic facts that meant the Tories HAD to implement cutbacks across the board.
Whether you take on board or discard those facts is entirely up to you. Just don't be surprised if, after a Corbyn-led Labour government, we end up having to have "Austerity Mk II -- This time it's really gonna hurt!"
posted on 9/12/19
From the synopsis of a new film:
'Hate Among Us' illustrates how renewed intolerance is taking root in our communities, institutions and universities, with far reaching consequences around the world.
Note - "around the world."
posted on 9/12/19
It's a global thing Jonny - it's not exclusive to any particular country, I've always believed that. I've travelled loads to varying parts of the globe, it's not a trait specific to these shores. No place for it either in a stadium or a wider society, but my guess it'll exist to an extent infinitum.
As for the politics and who to vote for. Just vote for who the hell you want to. I don't care if you vote labour, Tory or Lib Dem - or whatever floats your boat.
Just get out and vote. Don't complain if you don't get what you wanted and didn't bother going out to.
posted on 9/12/19
I blame Farage and UKIP/Brexit Party, Tommy Robinson and the EDL, and the Tories. ………………………………………………………………………………………........ That's a very large proportion and suggests we are a nation of racists, ...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, that is precisely how I perceive our nation.
Just because people have learnt to keep their rancid views to themselves does not mean they do not hold those rancid views.With alcohol, in private, when whipped up into a fervour, and when given the choice to become insular and xenophobic through a secure and pseudonymous vote - rather than showing the colours of global inclusion and promote diversity, our nation chooses the nasty option.
And they use the excuse that they just want to take back control. And give that control to Boris!!!!! Who is lying through his teeth!
My country has lost its principles. And its ability to parse fiction and lies from truth...…………………………………………………………….............................The Brexit vote showed there were a very large number of people were wanting to go out into the world and deal with them, the world doesn't revolve around the EU....... And that's a very scathing attack on a lot of people that don't deserve it because they have a different opinion. As I said the vast majority will not tolerate racism, and don't accept this behaviour. But to assume we are a nation of some sort of bigots because of a very small number of idiots is a little silly. It's like saying all football fans are mainly thugs because of the behavior of a few. If this is the case where you live, I would be thinking of moving.
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Wrong. It's an opinion.
Just like yours is an opinion.
My opinion is based on my experience, and looking at people's words, and then their actual deeds. That personal experience is not scientific and I cannot prove it to you. It is my real life experience. It does include a lot of working class and Labour supporting people too.
Your opinion will be based on whatever it is you wish it to be based upon - I don't question it. You have your opinion. It would be great if you could prove me wrong and provide clear evidence that what you state is right. Unfortunately, I don't think you have any. ………………………………………………………………………………….I questioned why you would tar us as a nation of bigots when I know that most people are not that, and will fight against these racist idiots. It was you that did the judging not me. I pointed out that it could be said most football fans could be classed as thugs because of a very small number of idiots, when I know that when I go to games or talk to people they are not all thugs. You are right, there is some but not all are intolerant louts, but you are being unfair to the vast majority that detest these people and this behaviour. I pointed out to you, look at the size of the crowd at the Manchester game and how many idiots there were, and you will see it was just a very small proportion,so was all those that attended racist or not ?. but you seem to know what people think behind closed doors, or racists when they have had drinks. You even think the same of Brexit voters without knowing them or why they voted the way they did. Sorry, it wasn't me that judged, it was you.
posted on 9/12/19
https://twitter.com/garylineker/status/1203984119937585152
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