comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also believe that Jeremy Corbyn is one of those people afflicted with a particularly severe form of white liberal guilt. Someone who believes he has to atone for all the evils of British/Western imperialism. I believe his antisemitism problem is rooted in this outlook on the world. He doesn't have some malevolent dislike of Jews or anything like that. Corbyn likely sees Israel as a colonial enterprise of European settlers oppressing people of colour in Palestine. It's the prism through which he (and leftists like him) views the conflict. He doesn't see British Jews (mostly white, affluent, and well represented in the mainstream) as REAL victims of racism, so feels less inclined to acknowledge their grievances than say...black people or South Asians.
For sure, this election was the worst in modern history for Britain's minority communities who were pitted against each other.
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This is a very very good post
Yeah good post, think it is guilt, the left now has a standard party line on a check list of approved issues , Israel check, LGBT rights and promotion check ,climate change check, white privilege check , and if your views differ in anyway they start ranting and raving and call you a fascist. It's become a fundamentalist religion.
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Possibly , anyway it's all over now, let's eat drink be merry and play Fifa, looking forward to the festive period!
5 for me voted leave and would do again, twice if I could
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 6 minutes ago
but my feeling has always been that the country would vote to leave again should a second referendum take place.
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Why?
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Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 6 minutes ago
but my feeling has always been that the country would vote to leave again should a second referendum take place.
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Why?
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Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
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People are armed with more facts now than before, (should they chose to research). Both in regard to the EU, and the UK's Brexit objectives. ie what Brexit is likely to look like.
The sort of Brexit that will eventually be delivered will look nothing like the empty promises of VL etc. Which will only further disenfranchise voters, and their trust in the political process.
At least now, Johnson is out of scapegoats to apportion blame, (in the UK at least) so expect the anti-EU rhetoric to be ramped up in 2020.
And that was my feeling, hence asking the JApublic... I know a few who said they were drawn into the Leave dream without really understanding what it was or what it meant.
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
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You're actually hitting the source of the problem here though of why people are so polarised. People are surrounding themselves with the likeminded in echo chambers. So a person who voted leave and still wants to vote leave, thinks that everyone else wants to vote leave now and remainers are outliers. When in actual fact the country is still very split on the issue opinion-wise.
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 55 seconds ago
And that was my feeling, hence asking the JApublic... I know a few who said they were drawn into the Leave dream without really understanding what it was or what it meant.
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Including some of those who even worked on the leave campaign:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-brexiteers-forgot-about-the-border-1.3831635
“An argument is often presented by Remainers that the Leaver exclusion of Northern Ireland from Brexit discussion before and during the referendum was a deliberate, strategic decision. I do not buy this. I think the omission of Northern Ireland from Leaver thinking was far less conscious and, in some ways, symptomatic of a much wider political issue”
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“They thought we were dishonest. They were wrong. We were incompetent.”
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comment by wearethefamous Jose-hotspurs (U19211)
posted 9 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 9 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 6 minutes ago
but my feeling has always been that the country would vote to leave again should a second referendum take place.
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Why?
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Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
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Ja vote.... Full of left wing loons 🤣🤣🤣
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Most people are left week, compared to you:
Me, Sizzle, Hitler, Mussolini....
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So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 7 minutes ago
So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
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No! The war criminal is absolutely wrong.
No! The war criminal is absolutely wrong.
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He isn't. He just doesn't have a right to criticise anyone.
Corbyn is just a despicable human being very much like Blair.
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 33 minutes ago
So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
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More like a protest movement with cant trimmings...& he's the biggest
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 38 minutes ago
So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
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Blair has no right. Corbyn shad two major policies.
Re Nationalise NHS and scrap tuition fees. Both introduced by the war criminal.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 40 minutes ago
No! The war criminal is absolutely wrong.
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He isn't. He just doesn't have a right to criticise anyone.
Corbyn is just a despicable human being very much like Blair.
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Despicable human being?
Pretty strong that, VC.
Despicable human being?
Pretty strong that, VC.
...................
Read up on his association with extremists, especially those in NI.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 20 minutes ago
Despicable human being?
Pretty strong that, VC.
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Read up on his association with extremists, especially those in NI.
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Every British PM since Thatcher has negotiated with loyalist and republican terrorists. Jonathan Powell/Tony Blair no different.
I'm (and so should everyone) thankful for this too, (despite Iraq) as it led to the Belfast peace agreement.
Corbyn receives award for his part in the NI peace process.
"Corbyn is a despicable human being'
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posted on 14/12/19
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also believe that Jeremy Corbyn is one of those people afflicted with a particularly severe form of white liberal guilt. Someone who believes he has to atone for all the evils of British/Western imperialism. I believe his antisemitism problem is rooted in this outlook on the world. He doesn't have some malevolent dislike of Jews or anything like that. Corbyn likely sees Israel as a colonial enterprise of European settlers oppressing people of colour in Palestine. It's the prism through which he (and leftists like him) views the conflict. He doesn't see British Jews (mostly white, affluent, and well represented in the mainstream) as REAL victims of racism, so feels less inclined to acknowledge their grievances than say...black people or South Asians.
For sure, this election was the worst in modern history for Britain's minority communities who were pitted against each other.
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This is a very very good post
posted on 14/12/19
Yeah good post, think it is guilt, the left now has a standard party line on a check list of approved issues , Israel check, LGBT rights and promotion check ,climate change check, white privilege check , and if your views differ in anyway they start ranting and raving and call you a fascist. It's become a fundamentalist religion.
posted on 14/12/19
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posted on 14/12/19
Possibly , anyway it's all over now, let's eat drink be merry and play Fifa, looking forward to the festive period!
posted on 15/12/19
5 for me voted leave and would do again, twice if I could
posted on 16/12/19
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posted on 16/12/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 6 minutes ago
but my feeling has always been that the country would vote to leave again should a second referendum take place.
--------
Why?
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Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
posted on 16/12/19
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 6 minutes ago
but my feeling has always been that the country would vote to leave again should a second referendum take place.
--------
Why?
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Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People are armed with more facts now than before, (should they chose to research). Both in regard to the EU, and the UK's Brexit objectives. ie what Brexit is likely to look like.
The sort of Brexit that will eventually be delivered will look nothing like the empty promises of VL etc. Which will only further disenfranchise voters, and their trust in the political process.
At least now, Johnson is out of scapegoats to apportion blame, (in the UK at least) so expect the anti-EU rhetoric to be ramped up in 2020.
posted on 16/12/19
And that was my feeling, hence asking the JApublic... I know a few who said they were drawn into the Leave dream without really understanding what it was or what it meant.
posted on 16/12/19
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
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You're actually hitting the source of the problem here though of why people are so polarised. People are surrounding themselves with the likeminded in echo chambers. So a person who voted leave and still wants to vote leave, thinks that everyone else wants to vote leave now and remainers are outliers. When in actual fact the country is still very split on the issue opinion-wise.
posted on 16/12/19
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 55 seconds ago
And that was my feeling, hence asking the JApublic... I know a few who said they were drawn into the Leave dream without really understanding what it was or what it meant.
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Including some of those who even worked on the leave campaign:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-brexiteers-forgot-about-the-border-1.3831635
posted on 16/12/19
“An argument is often presented by Remainers that the Leaver exclusion of Northern Ireland from Brexit discussion before and during the referendum was a deliberate, strategic decision. I do not buy this. I think the omission of Northern Ireland from Leaver thinking was far less conscious and, in some ways, symptomatic of a much wider political issue”
——————
“They thought we were dishonest. They were wrong. We were incompetent.”
posted on 16/12/19
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posted on 17/12/19
comment by wearethefamous Jose-hotspurs (U19211)
posted 9 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 9 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 days, 23 hours ago
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 6 minutes ago
but my feeling has always been that the country would vote to leave again should a second referendum take place.
--------
Why?
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Because I know a lot of people that didn't vote at the referendum who would vote (and vote leave) at the second referendum. I don't know a single person that voted to leave and who has changed their mind. I do however know a few that voted remain, but who would vote leave the at a second referendum, as they think that is the correct thing to do democratically, as they believe the first referendum should be honoured.
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that was actually the point of my article and, from a sample of JA606ers, the votes suggest the opposite
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Ja vote.... Full of left wing loons 🤣🤣🤣
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Most people are left week, compared to you:
Me, Sizzle, Hitler, Mussolini....
posted on 17/12/19
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posted on 18/12/19
So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
posted on 18/12/19
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 7 minutes ago
So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
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No! The war criminal is absolutely wrong.
posted on 18/12/19
No! The war criminal is absolutely wrong.
................
He isn't. He just doesn't have a right to criticise anyone.
Corbyn is just a despicable human being very much like Blair.
posted on 18/12/19
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 33 minutes ago
So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
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More like a protest movement with cant trimmings...& he's the biggest
posted on 18/12/19
comment by Kenny Jackett (U1145)
posted 38 minutes ago
So Tony Blair describes Corbyn's Labour as "a protest moment with cult trimmings"
Seems pretty accurate tbf...
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Blair has no right. Corbyn shad two major policies.
Re Nationalise NHS and scrap tuition fees. Both introduced by the war criminal.
posted on 18/12/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 40 minutes ago
No! The war criminal is absolutely wrong.
................
He isn't. He just doesn't have a right to criticise anyone.
Corbyn is just a despicable human being very much like Blair.
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Despicable human being?
Pretty strong that, VC.
posted on 18/12/19
Despicable human being?
Pretty strong that, VC.
...................
Read up on his association with extremists, especially those in NI.
posted on 18/12/19
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posted on 18/12/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 20 minutes ago
Despicable human being?
Pretty strong that, VC.
...................
Read up on his association with extremists, especially those in NI.
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Every British PM since Thatcher has negotiated with loyalist and republican terrorists. Jonathan Powell/Tony Blair no different.
I'm (and so should everyone) thankful for this too, (despite Iraq) as it led to the Belfast peace agreement.
posted on 18/12/19
Corbyn receives award for his part in the NI peace process.
"Corbyn is a despicable human being'
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