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It’s not just because of the creativity in midfield that we struggle. Management and the quality and style of our front three are also the reasons why.
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Well lets see how we get one once he has signed a midfielder or two.
If the club back him in the window/summer and we are still struggling, then I will hold up my hands and say it is time to move on. But I'd expect that if we had had Pogba available for the majority of the season so far that we would be sitting in 4th and playing better football.
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comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
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It’s not just because of the creativity in midfield that we struggle. Management and the quality and style of our front three are also the reasons why.
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Well lets see how we get one once he has signed a midfielder or two.
If the club back him in the window/summer and we are still struggling, then I will hold up my hands and say it is time to move on. But I'd expect that if we had had Pogba available for the majority of the season so far that we would be sitting in 4th and playing better football.
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When we had Pogba he was in a midfield two and we still lost games
These issues still existed when Pogba was playing. I do agree we’d be higher up the table had he been playing. But you make too many excuses for Ole’s bad management. Especially regarding the transfer window, where he’s had a mare.
There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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Me too, so job done I suppose.
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The article also confirms that we’re getting Dembele.
On a serious note, this bit did stand out:
‘Though the Manchester Evening News now claim that there is a “high possibility” that there will be no new arrivals at Old Trafford.’
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That'll be an absolute disgrace
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The manager is under pressure, would be stupid to sign more of his players when it looks unlikely he will see the season out.
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What? We are in 5th spot, despite having no creativity in midfield. Surely you back the manager and give him some creativity and give him a chance of making the top 4?
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You have 2 midfielders that cost 150m between them in Pogba and Fred. If Ole can't get creativity out of those options then he should have identified that in the fooking summer surely
His signings so far have been no better than average and still nowhere near enough improvement either individually or collectively for me to think United are on the way back. Miles away and the longer Ole stays the longer it will take imo.
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Erm, Pogba has been injured all season and Fred (who wasn't his signing) has as much creativity as United We Stand.
And how do you know that he didn't identify a suitable midfielder in the summer, but was let down? Ed was bumbling about taking on one transfer at a time.
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He's not been injured all season, a fair bit though.
He said he was happy with the business he did.
If creativity was the major issue Ole identified he shouldn't have spent 80m replacing Smalling like for like or bought a right back that can't create or attack
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Yes, he has started 5 of our PL games so far (2 assists).
As I said, you have no idea what happened behind the scenes and whether Ed let him down. Most managers will say that they are happy with what they have got going into the season, otherwise it can affect morale.
As for the RB spot, we needed a new one and AWB is a good signing for me. Not great going forwards, but still time to improve. But the defensive areas are a completely different conversation to the midfield.
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Nobody knows for sure what happened but i'll take Ole at his word that he was happy with his dealings.
Then i judge how well his signings have done.
Maguire - Decent until you remember he cost 80m and doesn't appear to be an elite player.
AWB - Good defender, missing in action creating or attacking.
James - Good buy but squad player.
Then i look at Uniteds performances which have been pretty poor on the whole when United are expected to dominate the game. Good performances have been games v bigger sides playing on the counter. Results show the same thing.
Player improvement - I don't think anyone had United has improved as a player under Ole.
For me that is damning on Ole. Not one area where i can say he's done above average for someone who is leading Manchester United.
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Is Ole going to come out and say we had a bad window? Or that he wanted 2 midfielders, but Ed fecked about all summer and we missed out? Don't be ridiculous.
Your assessment of our signings is irrelevant to the conversation we are having - which is that we need some creativity in midfield if we are to push for 4th spot.
Yes we have been poor against teams we expect to dominate. Because we have no creativity in midfield. Well done, you are getting there.
Players that have improved under Ole - Rashford, Fred, Martial, Williams, Greenwood, McT.
Other than the above, you talk a lot of sense!
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The discussion is about Ole and the lack of creativity you have. His signings are fair game in that context.
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
You are letting him off the hook for some conversation you think he possibly could have had. How about judge him on the facts we have.
Signings have been average, wrongly prioritised, performances v smaller sides mostly a slog, a few good wins thrown in v better sides, little player improvement, little style and little experience. All points towards the door but United fans at this stage are gluttons for punishment.
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The facts we have is that Ed is a bit of a bumbling idiot who has made a lot of mistakes with his transfer dealings. And who exactly are all these managers that let it be known that they aren't happy with signings? There might be a few, but on the whole managers keep quiet and get on with the job.
I am not letting Ole off the hook at all. I am being sensible and saying that he might not be to blame. It is you trying to put all the blame on Ole. I am merely questioning whether Ed, who has a long history of fecking up transfers, might be to blame. Anyone with any degree of intelligence would ask that question.
Has Ole really improved Williams or Greenwood? Or are they just youth players who are good. It’s debatable whether he’s even improved Martial as he’s just as inconsistent as he was under Jose - invisible against arsenal after a couple of good games - same with Fred who summed up his United career with that free kick which is still travelling to the planet with the water on it from Interstellar
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Martial wasn’t invisible against Arsenal and Fred certainly wasn’t - Fred was pretty good second half in particular. No idea why he took that free-kick though, with Rashford, Pereira and Mata all on the pitch.
I’d say Martial is looking better than he has for about 50 per cent of his United career, and is looking more like a genuine no. 9. Fred has settled down and is always busy, generally in the right place whenever the ball breaks and much tidier with his passing. McTominay has become our most important outfield player. Funnily enough, I’d say Rashford has improved the least of those four - I like him but he’s still so hit and miss and makes some terrible decisions at times.
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Me too, so job done I suppose.
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The article also confirms that we’re getting Dembele.
On a serious note, this bit did stand out:
‘Though the Manchester Evening News now claim that there is a “high possibility” that there will be no new arrivals at Old Trafford.’
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That'll be an absolute disgrace
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The manager is under pressure, would be stupid to sign more of his players when it looks unlikely he will see the season out.
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What? We are in 5th spot, despite having no creativity in midfield. Surely you back the manager and give him some creativity and give him a chance of making the top 4?
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You have 2 midfielders that cost 150m between them in Pogba and Fred. If Ole can't get creativity out of those options then he should have identified that in the fooking summer surely
His signings so far have been no better than average and still nowhere near enough improvement either individually or collectively for me to think United are on the way back. Miles away and the longer Ole stays the longer it will take imo.
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Erm, Pogba has been injured all season and Fred (who wasn't his signing) has as much creativity as United We Stand.
And how do you know that he didn't identify a suitable midfielder in the summer, but was let down? Ed was bumbling about taking on one transfer at a time.
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He's not been injured all season, a fair bit though.
He said he was happy with the business he did.
If creativity was the major issue Ole identified he shouldn't have spent 80m replacing Smalling like for like or bought a right back that can't create or attack
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Yes, he has started 5 of our PL games so far (2 assists).
As I said, you have no idea what happened behind the scenes and whether Ed let him down. Most managers will say that they are happy with what they have got going into the season, otherwise it can affect morale.
As for the RB spot, we needed a new one and AWB is a good signing for me. Not great going forwards, but still time to improve. But the defensive areas are a completely different conversation to the midfield.
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Nobody knows for sure what happened but i'll take Ole at his word that he was happy with his dealings.
Then i judge how well his signings have done.
Maguire - Decent until you remember he cost 80m and doesn't appear to be an elite player.
AWB - Good defender, missing in action creating or attacking.
James - Good buy but squad player.
Then i look at Uniteds performances which have been pretty poor on the whole when United are expected to dominate the game. Good performances have been games v bigger sides playing on the counter. Results show the same thing.
Player improvement - I don't think anyone had United has improved as a player under Ole.
For me that is damning on Ole. Not one area where i can say he's done above average for someone who is leading Manchester United.
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Is Ole going to come out and say we had a bad window? Or that he wanted 2 midfielders, but Ed fecked about all summer and we missed out? Don't be ridiculous.
Your assessment of our signings is irrelevant to the conversation we are having - which is that we need some creativity in midfield if we are to push for 4th spot.
Yes we have been poor against teams we expect to dominate. Because we have no creativity in midfield. Well done, you are getting there.
Players that have improved under Ole - Rashford, Fred, Martial, Williams, Greenwood, McT.
Other than the above, you talk a lot of sense!
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The discussion is about Ole and the lack of creativity you have. His signings are fair game in that context.
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
You are letting him off the hook for some conversation you think he possibly could have had. How about judge him on the facts we have.
Signings have been average, wrongly prioritised, performances v smaller sides mostly a slog, a few good wins thrown in v better sides, little player improvement, little style and little experience. All points towards the door but United fans at this stage are gluttons for punishment.
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The facts we have is that Ed is a bit of a bumbling idiot who has made a lot of mistakes with his transfer dealings. And who exactly are all these managers that let it be known that they aren't happy with signings? There might be a few, but on the whole managers keep quiet and get on with the job.
I am not letting Ole off the hook at all. I am being sensible and saying that he might not be to blame. It is you trying to put all the blame on Ole. I am merely questioning whether Ed, who has a long history of fecking up transfers, might be to blame. Anyone with any degree of intelligence would ask that question.
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Look you certainly have a point to a degree, Ed has proven himself to be as useful as a chocolate fireguard, he's bound to make the job tougher for whoever has it but there are plenty of issues that belong squarely at Ole's feet.
I don't blame him and him alone for the transfer window but i mostly do because he needed to approve the players and they haven't been good enough. Performances and lack of individual or collective improvement at United would be reason number 1 why i would get rid, that and he gives me no confidence he will turn it around.
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Me too, so job done I suppose.
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I reckon we could start a rumour on here and it'd get picked up by some outlet somewhere.
Unless I'm mistaken Rosso lives in Portugal so perhaps he could tweet something there claiming to be a 'former colleague' and we can watch it go from there.
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comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
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It’s not just because of the creativity in midfield that we struggle. Management and the quality and style of our front three are also the reasons why.
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Well lets see how we get one once he has signed a midfielder or two.
If the club back him in the window/summer and we are still struggling, then I will hold up my hands and say it is time to move on. But I'd expect that if we had had Pogba available for the majority of the season so far that we would be sitting in 4th and playing better football.
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When we had Pogba he was in a midfield two and we still lost games
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We have lost 1 game this season with Pogba in the team, against Palace. Who we absolutely dominated. Just one of those games.
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There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
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What impact? We just played Into Arsenals hands
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Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Sssssh stop talking sense. Everything bad that happens at the club is down to Ole!
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There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
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What impact? We just played Into Arsenals hands
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Did't you already have this discussion with someone yesterday?
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I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
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What impact? We just played Into Arsenals hands
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Did't you already have this discussion with someone yesterday?
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Has the actual fact we played into Arsenals hands and did nothing changed since yesterday?
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I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
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Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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Elvis Gunnar Solskjaer is triggered
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Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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It’s not just because of the creativity in midfield that we struggle. Management and the quality and style of our front three are also the reasons why.
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Well lets see how we get one once he has signed a midfielder or two.
If the club back him in the window/summer and we are still struggling, then I will hold up my hands and say it is time to move on. But I'd expect that if we had had Pogba available for the majority of the season so far that we would be sitting in 4th and playing better football.
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It’s not just because of the creativity in midfield that we struggle. Management and the quality and style of our front three are also the reasons why.
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Well lets see how we get one once he has signed a midfielder or two.
If the club back him in the window/summer and we are still struggling, then I will hold up my hands and say it is time to move on. But I'd expect that if we had had Pogba available for the majority of the season so far that we would be sitting in 4th and playing better football.
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When we had Pogba he was in a midfield two and we still lost games
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These issues still existed when Pogba was playing. I do agree we’d be higher up the table had he been playing. But you make too many excuses for Ole’s bad management. Especially regarding the transfer window, where he’s had a mare.
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There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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*no excuse
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Me too, so job done I suppose.
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The article also confirms that we’re getting Dembele.
On a serious note, this bit did stand out:
‘Though the Manchester Evening News now claim that there is a “high possibility” that there will be no new arrivals at Old Trafford.’
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That'll be an absolute disgrace
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The manager is under pressure, would be stupid to sign more of his players when it looks unlikely he will see the season out.
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What? We are in 5th spot, despite having no creativity in midfield. Surely you back the manager and give him some creativity and give him a chance of making the top 4?
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You have 2 midfielders that cost 150m between them in Pogba and Fred. If Ole can't get creativity out of those options then he should have identified that in the fooking summer surely
His signings so far have been no better than average and still nowhere near enough improvement either individually or collectively for me to think United are on the way back. Miles away and the longer Ole stays the longer it will take imo.
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Erm, Pogba has been injured all season and Fred (who wasn't his signing) has as much creativity as United We Stand.
And how do you know that he didn't identify a suitable midfielder in the summer, but was let down? Ed was bumbling about taking on one transfer at a time.
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He's not been injured all season, a fair bit though.
He said he was happy with the business he did.
If creativity was the major issue Ole identified he shouldn't have spent 80m replacing Smalling like for like or bought a right back that can't create or attack
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Yes, he has started 5 of our PL games so far (2 assists).
As I said, you have no idea what happened behind the scenes and whether Ed let him down. Most managers will say that they are happy with what they have got going into the season, otherwise it can affect morale.
As for the RB spot, we needed a new one and AWB is a good signing for me. Not great going forwards, but still time to improve. But the defensive areas are a completely different conversation to the midfield.
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Nobody knows for sure what happened but i'll take Ole at his word that he was happy with his dealings.
Then i judge how well his signings have done.
Maguire - Decent until you remember he cost 80m and doesn't appear to be an elite player.
AWB - Good defender, missing in action creating or attacking.
James - Good buy but squad player.
Then i look at Uniteds performances which have been pretty poor on the whole when United are expected to dominate the game. Good performances have been games v bigger sides playing on the counter. Results show the same thing.
Player improvement - I don't think anyone had United has improved as a player under Ole.
For me that is damning on Ole. Not one area where i can say he's done above average for someone who is leading Manchester United.
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Is Ole going to come out and say we had a bad window? Or that he wanted 2 midfielders, but Ed fecked about all summer and we missed out? Don't be ridiculous.
Your assessment of our signings is irrelevant to the conversation we are having - which is that we need some creativity in midfield if we are to push for 4th spot.
Yes we have been poor against teams we expect to dominate. Because we have no creativity in midfield. Well done, you are getting there.
Players that have improved under Ole - Rashford, Fred, Martial, Williams, Greenwood, McT.
Other than the above, you talk a lot of sense!
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The discussion is about Ole and the lack of creativity you have. His signings are fair game in that context.
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
You are letting him off the hook for some conversation you think he possibly could have had. How about judge him on the facts we have.
Signings have been average, wrongly prioritised, performances v smaller sides mostly a slog, a few good wins thrown in v better sides, little player improvement, little style and little experience. All points towards the door but United fans at this stage are gluttons for punishment.
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The facts we have is that Ed is a bit of a bumbling idiot who has made a lot of mistakes with his transfer dealings. And who exactly are all these managers that let it be known that they aren't happy with signings? There might be a few, but on the whole managers keep quiet and get on with the job.
I am not letting Ole off the hook at all. I am being sensible and saying that he might not be to blame. It is you trying to put all the blame on Ole. I am merely questioning whether Ed, who has a long history of fecking up transfers, might be to blame. Anyone with any degree of intelligence would ask that question.
posted on 3/1/20
Has Ole really improved Williams or Greenwood? Or are they just youth players who are good. It’s debatable whether he’s even improved Martial as he’s just as inconsistent as he was under Jose - invisible against arsenal after a couple of good games - same with Fred who summed up his United career with that free kick which is still travelling to the planet with the water on it from Interstellar
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Martial wasn’t invisible against Arsenal and Fred certainly wasn’t - Fred was pretty good second half in particular. No idea why he took that free-kick though, with Rashford, Pereira and Mata all on the pitch.
I’d say Martial is looking better than he has for about 50 per cent of his United career, and is looking more like a genuine no. 9. Fred has settled down and is always busy, generally in the right place whenever the ball breaks and much tidier with his passing. McTominay has become our most important outfield player. Funnily enough, I’d say Rashford has improved the least of those four - I like him but he’s still so hit and miss and makes some terrible decisions at times.
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Me too, so job done I suppose.
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The article also confirms that we’re getting Dembele.
On a serious note, this bit did stand out:
‘Though the Manchester Evening News now claim that there is a “high possibility” that there will be no new arrivals at Old Trafford.’
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That'll be an absolute disgrace
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The manager is under pressure, would be stupid to sign more of his players when it looks unlikely he will see the season out.
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What? We are in 5th spot, despite having no creativity in midfield. Surely you back the manager and give him some creativity and give him a chance of making the top 4?
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You have 2 midfielders that cost 150m between them in Pogba and Fred. If Ole can't get creativity out of those options then he should have identified that in the fooking summer surely
His signings so far have been no better than average and still nowhere near enough improvement either individually or collectively for me to think United are on the way back. Miles away and the longer Ole stays the longer it will take imo.
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Erm, Pogba has been injured all season and Fred (who wasn't his signing) has as much creativity as United We Stand.
And how do you know that he didn't identify a suitable midfielder in the summer, but was let down? Ed was bumbling about taking on one transfer at a time.
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He's not been injured all season, a fair bit though.
He said he was happy with the business he did.
If creativity was the major issue Ole identified he shouldn't have spent 80m replacing Smalling like for like or bought a right back that can't create or attack
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Yes, he has started 5 of our PL games so far (2 assists).
As I said, you have no idea what happened behind the scenes and whether Ed let him down. Most managers will say that they are happy with what they have got going into the season, otherwise it can affect morale.
As for the RB spot, we needed a new one and AWB is a good signing for me. Not great going forwards, but still time to improve. But the defensive areas are a completely different conversation to the midfield.
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Nobody knows for sure what happened but i'll take Ole at his word that he was happy with his dealings.
Then i judge how well his signings have done.
Maguire - Decent until you remember he cost 80m and doesn't appear to be an elite player.
AWB - Good defender, missing in action creating or attacking.
James - Good buy but squad player.
Then i look at Uniteds performances which have been pretty poor on the whole when United are expected to dominate the game. Good performances have been games v bigger sides playing on the counter. Results show the same thing.
Player improvement - I don't think anyone had United has improved as a player under Ole.
For me that is damning on Ole. Not one area where i can say he's done above average for someone who is leading Manchester United.
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Is Ole going to come out and say we had a bad window? Or that he wanted 2 midfielders, but Ed fecked about all summer and we missed out? Don't be ridiculous.
Your assessment of our signings is irrelevant to the conversation we are having - which is that we need some creativity in midfield if we are to push for 4th spot.
Yes we have been poor against teams we expect to dominate. Because we have no creativity in midfield. Well done, you are getting there.
Players that have improved under Ole - Rashford, Fred, Martial, Williams, Greenwood, McT.
Other than the above, you talk a lot of sense!
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The discussion is about Ole and the lack of creativity you have. His signings are fair game in that context.
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
You are letting him off the hook for some conversation you think he possibly could have had. How about judge him on the facts we have.
Signings have been average, wrongly prioritised, performances v smaller sides mostly a slog, a few good wins thrown in v better sides, little player improvement, little style and little experience. All points towards the door but United fans at this stage are gluttons for punishment.
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The facts we have is that Ed is a bit of a bumbling idiot who has made a lot of mistakes with his transfer dealings. And who exactly are all these managers that let it be known that they aren't happy with signings? There might be a few, but on the whole managers keep quiet and get on with the job.
I am not letting Ole off the hook at all. I am being sensible and saying that he might not be to blame. It is you trying to put all the blame on Ole. I am merely questioning whether Ed, who has a long history of fecking up transfers, might be to blame. Anyone with any degree of intelligence would ask that question.
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Look you certainly have a point to a degree, Ed has proven himself to be as useful as a chocolate fireguard, he's bound to make the job tougher for whoever has it but there are plenty of issues that belong squarely at Ole's feet.
I don't blame him and him alone for the transfer window but i mostly do because he needed to approve the players and they haven't been good enough. Performances and lack of individual or collective improvement at United would be reason number 1 why i would get rid, that and he gives me no confidence he will turn it around.
posted on 3/1/20
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Me too, so job done I suppose.
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I reckon we could start a rumour on here and it'd get picked up by some outlet somewhere.
Unless I'm mistaken Rosso lives in Portugal so perhaps he could tweet something there claiming to be a 'former colleague' and we can watch it go from there.
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I refuse to comment.
posted on 3/1/20
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
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It’s not just because of the creativity in midfield that we struggle. Management and the quality and style of our front three are also the reasons why.
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Well lets see how we get one once he has signed a midfielder or two.
If the club back him in the window/summer and we are still struggling, then I will hold up my hands and say it is time to move on. But I'd expect that if we had had Pogba available for the majority of the season so far that we would be sitting in 4th and playing better football.
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When we had Pogba he was in a midfield two and we still lost games
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We have lost 1 game this season with Pogba in the team, against Palace. Who we absolutely dominated. Just one of those games.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
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Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
posted on 3/1/20
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
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What impact? We just played Into Arsenals hands
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Sssssh stop talking sense. Everything bad that happens at the club is down to Ole!
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
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What impact? We just played Into Arsenals hands
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Did't you already have this discussion with someone yesterday?
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
There should be know excuse turning up to the arsenal game against a manager who has been with the players for a couple of weeks and never won a match in his life as a manager and being blown off the park
And then at half time changing nothing 🙄
One thing even Ole’s biggest supporters can’t deny is that Ole has some of the worst in game management seen at this club
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I do think that Ole's changes should have been made at half time, but he did chance things up early in the 2nd half, which had an impact.
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What impact? We just played Into Arsenals hands
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Did't you already have this discussion with someone yesterday?
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Has the actual fact we played into Arsenals hands and did nothing changed since yesterday?
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comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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Elvis Gunnar Solskjaer is triggered
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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