How is it knee jerk after the PSG game? That was the culmination of a very good run of results.
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How on Earth could you of all people believe it was not knee-jerk? In hindsight do you think it was the correct decision to give him the job?
To answer your question though, Ole and the squad were quite clearly riding a wave of confidence and positivity at the time. Reacting to things going pear-shaped is another matter altogether.
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
Thing is it’s not really knee jerk when you’re playing so badly for such an extended period. Which brings me back to my point about the lack of ruthlessness at the club.
There was a period between the end of last season and the beginning of this one where out results were similar to the results that got Ole sacked by Cardiff. And he spent about 12 of those games managing in the championship.
The alarm bells for me were signing Maguire. But the disgraceful way we set up in Almaar was the game that suggested to me that we have another cowardly coach in charge of the club.
Nothing since then has convinced me we have a coach that will get us playing with any bravery or swagger. The style of football has been poor.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 minutes ago
How is it knee jerk after the PSG game? That was the culmination of a very good run of results.
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How on Earth could you of all people believe it was not knee-jerk? In hindsight do you think it was the correct decision to give him the job?
To answer your question though, Ole and the squad were quite clearly riding a wave of confidence and positivity at the time. Reacting to things going pear-shaped is another matter altogether.
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You’re arguing two different things though
You’re talking about people on here. Even I as a doubter felt maybe he deserved the job. But as fans we can only go on what we see.
The club may have been knee jerk giving him the job - it’s fairly clear now. But you can’t have a go at fans for being emotionally involved and feeling that he may have deserved it
The club are the ones who have to take emotion out of it.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
----------------
Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
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In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
I think the question regarding Ole vs Poch is if at the time of sacking Jose, Pochettino was available and so was Ole; who would you choose between those two? I think most would have picked Pochettino and I don’t see what would have changed that.
I do think Ole has started a 3 year plan and I think Pochettino would do a similar plan but he might just be able to lift the current players more consistently than Ole has done so far.
That’s my thoughts anyway
Ole got sacked by Cardiff with a record of 9, 5 and 16. Which isn’t too dissimilar to the form we’ve been in the last 30 league games.
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 minutes ago
How is it knee jerk after the PSG game? That was the culmination of a very good run of results.
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How on Earth could you of all people believe it was not knee-jerk? In hindsight do you think it was the correct decision to give him the job?
To answer your question though, Ole and the squad were quite clearly riding a wave of confidence and positivity at the time. Reacting to things going pear-shaped is another matter altogether.
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You’re arguing two different things though
You’re talking about people on here. Even I as a doubter felt maybe he deserved the job. But as fans we can only go on what we see.
The club may have been knee jerk giving him the job - it’s fairly clear now. But you can’t have a go at fans for being emotionally involved and feeling that he may have deserved it
The club are the ones who have to take emotion out of it.
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Ah OK.
Is it not fair to suggest that when the same fans want Ole's head on a plate right now they may also be basing things off emotion rather than looking at a bigger picture? This is my point.
Personally I am quite apathetic as to whether Ole stays with us into next season. But if we sack him now, I see no real plan being put forward other than 'get Poch'. Well, yeah, maybe he's the man, but we have no idea what his personal situation is, what his situation is with other clubs, and whether he is even that keen on working with us.
Basically it's the same kind of short-term thinking which you claim led us into the mistake of appointing Ole in the first place.
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
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In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
I think this is a huge month for Ole
We could make the final of the league cup, win some games and also progress in the Fa cup and bring in a couple of signings
We could get knocked out of both cup comps and drop more points and sign the likes of Longstaff 🥴
Will be fascinating to see how it goes.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
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In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
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To be fair he started off saying he didn't want ole, then 20 games in he did, then about 40 games in he didn't again. But he's not flakey ok? Don't you dare call him flakey!
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
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Why are we as anonymous people on here better off backing the team? You may as well shut down forums if it’s just a case of being quiet and not upsetting people like Winston who doesn’t like people intruding in his safe space
People can say what they want. You don’t have to read it or comment if you don’t like it buddy.
You need to have an element of short term thinking at a club like United. If we didn’t Moyes would have stayed even longer than he should have.
It’s all well and good having a long term approach, but if the approach is having such a damaging effect short term, that it effects the long term, then you need to question the suitability of your vision, or the people trying to deliver it.
United’s lack or short term planning is facking up all their long term planning. Not just with coaches but with player recruitment.
Elvis, sorry, that’s what I meant... done a complete u-turn twice in barely 12 months!
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 26 seconds ago
You need to have an element of short term thinking at a club like United. If we didn’t Moyes would have stayed even longer than he should have.
It’s all well and good having a long term approach, but if the approach is having such a damaging effect short term, that it effects the long term, then you need to question the suitability of your vision, or the people trying to deliver it.
United’s lack or short term planning is facking up all their long term planning. Not just with coaches but with player recruitment.
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It’s highly debatable whether the current approach is having a damaging effect at all.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
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To be fair he started off saying he didn't want ole, then 20 games in he did, then about 40 games in he didn't again. But he's not flakey ok? Don't you dare call him flakey!
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How is it flakey? If anything it’s just logical thinking
I didn’t want him based on his poor record in England
He does well to start with and I think maybe he deserves to get the gig on a more permanent basis (nowhere did I say he was going to be successful) - just that the run deserved better than a caretaker role
And after being made permanent it’s been shocking and my early suspicions have been strengthened
You really don’t know what flakey means. I think you’re trying to hard to make this personal. Reflects badly on you Statman
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Elvis, sorry, that’s what I meant... done a complete u-turn twice in barely 12 months!
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I don’t think you understand what a u turn is
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 26 seconds ago
You need to have an element of short term thinking at a club like United. If we didn’t Moyes would have stayed even longer than he should have.
It’s all well and good having a long term approach, but if the approach is having such a damaging effect short term, that it effects the long term, then you need to question the suitability of your vision, or the people trying to deliver it.
United’s lack or short term planning is facking up all their long term planning. Not just with coaches but with player recruitment.
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It’s highly debatable whether the current approach is having a damaging effect at all.
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Agreed.
I dont think it is, really. I see no harm in sticking with Ole until the end of the season to be honest. I see it as a much better option than sacking him and going for whoever is the best available option right now, because the likelihood is that man will fail.
Changing your mind about a manager twice in the space of 12 months is short term, impatient thinking.
Try and justify it all you like - it badly lacks credibility.
bloodred, but I’m not just talking about the coach but the recruitment. This summer was certainly a damaging one to our short and long term prospects. That’s why I’m saying you have to take a certain level of short term approach to achieve anything long term. And as we are failing with the former it’s completely facking up any hope of the latter.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 seconds ago
Changing your mind about a manager twice in the space of 12 months is short term, impatient thinking.
Try and justify it all you like - it badly lacks credibility.
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When the shocking run that has happened since I wanted him to be hired has happened it’s not short term thinking at all. It’s a sign that we may well have hired someone out of his depth.
Let me ask people this - if people knew the run that was to come after he was hired, would people still have wanted him hired?
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
bloodred, but I’m not just talking about the coach but the recruitment. This summer was certainly a damaging one to our short and long term prospects. That’s why I’m saying you have to take a certain level of short term approach to achieve anything long term. And as we are failing with the former it’s completely facking up any hope of the latter.
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Fair enough, but that's been an issue for years and in all likelihood will continue to be an issue whilst Ed is around.
I always bring up Fergie and always get shot down with the cry " The game's moved on".
Whatever that has to do with managerial success rates.
But it took him years to achieve success.
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How is it knee jerk after the PSG game? That was the culmination of a very good run of results.
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How on Earth could you of all people believe it was not knee-jerk? In hindsight do you think it was the correct decision to give him the job?
To answer your question though, Ole and the squad were quite clearly riding a wave of confidence and positivity at the time. Reacting to things going pear-shaped is another matter altogether.
posted on 3/1/20
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
----------------
Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
posted on 3/1/20
Thing is it’s not really knee jerk when you’re playing so badly for such an extended period. Which brings me back to my point about the lack of ruthlessness at the club.
There was a period between the end of last season and the beginning of this one where out results were similar to the results that got Ole sacked by Cardiff. And he spent about 12 of those games managing in the championship.
The alarm bells for me were signing Maguire. But the disgraceful way we set up in Almaar was the game that suggested to me that we have another cowardly coach in charge of the club.
Nothing since then has convinced me we have a coach that will get us playing with any bravery or swagger. The style of football has been poor.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 minutes ago
How is it knee jerk after the PSG game? That was the culmination of a very good run of results.
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How on Earth could you of all people believe it was not knee-jerk? In hindsight do you think it was the correct decision to give him the job?
To answer your question though, Ole and the squad were quite clearly riding a wave of confidence and positivity at the time. Reacting to things going pear-shaped is another matter altogether.
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You’re arguing two different things though
You’re talking about people on here. Even I as a doubter felt maybe he deserved the job. But as fans we can only go on what we see.
The club may have been knee jerk giving him the job - it’s fairly clear now. But you can’t have a go at fans for being emotionally involved and feeling that he may have deserved it
The club are the ones who have to take emotion out of it.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
----------------
Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
----------------
Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
----------------
Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
posted on 3/1/20
I think the question regarding Ole vs Poch is if at the time of sacking Jose, Pochettino was available and so was Ole; who would you choose between those two? I think most would have picked Pochettino and I don’t see what would have changed that.
I do think Ole has started a 3 year plan and I think Pochettino would do a similar plan but he might just be able to lift the current players more consistently than Ole has done so far.
That’s my thoughts anyway
posted on 3/1/20
Ole got sacked by Cardiff with a record of 9, 5 and 16. Which isn’t too dissimilar to the form we’ve been in the last 30 league games.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 minutes ago
How is it knee jerk after the PSG game? That was the culmination of a very good run of results.
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How on Earth could you of all people believe it was not knee-jerk? In hindsight do you think it was the correct decision to give him the job?
To answer your question though, Ole and the squad were quite clearly riding a wave of confidence and positivity at the time. Reacting to things going pear-shaped is another matter altogether.
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You’re arguing two different things though
You’re talking about people on here. Even I as a doubter felt maybe he deserved the job. But as fans we can only go on what we see.
The club may have been knee jerk giving him the job - it’s fairly clear now. But you can’t have a go at fans for being emotionally involved and feeling that he may have deserved it
The club are the ones who have to take emotion out of it.
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Ah OK.
Is it not fair to suggest that when the same fans want Ole's head on a plate right now they may also be basing things off emotion rather than looking at a bigger picture? This is my point.
Personally I am quite apathetic as to whether Ole stays with us into next season. But if we sack him now, I see no real plan being put forward other than 'get Poch'. Well, yeah, maybe he's the man, but we have no idea what his personal situation is, what his situation is with other clubs, and whether he is even that keen on working with us.
Basically it's the same kind of short-term thinking which you claim led us into the mistake of appointing Ole in the first place.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
----------------
Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
posted on 3/1/20
I think this is a huge month for Ole
We could make the final of the league cup, win some games and also progress in the Fa cup and bring in a couple of signings
We could get knocked out of both cup comps and drop more points and sign the likes of Longstaff 🥴
Will be fascinating to see how it goes.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
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In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
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To be fair he started off saying he didn't want ole, then 20 games in he did, then about 40 games in he didn't again. But he's not flakey ok? Don't you dare call him flakey!
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
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In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
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Why are we as anonymous people on here better off backing the team? You may as well shut down forums if it’s just a case of being quiet and not upsetting people like Winston who doesn’t like people intruding in his safe space
People can say what they want. You don’t have to read it or comment if you don’t like it buddy.
posted on 3/1/20
You need to have an element of short term thinking at a club like United. If we didn’t Moyes would have stayed even longer than he should have.
It’s all well and good having a long term approach, but if the approach is having such a damaging effect short term, that it effects the long term, then you need to question the suitability of your vision, or the people trying to deliver it.
United’s lack or short term planning is facking up all their long term planning. Not just with coaches but with player recruitment.
posted on 3/1/20
Elvis, sorry, that’s what I meant... done a complete u-turn twice in barely 12 months!
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 26 seconds ago
You need to have an element of short term thinking at a club like United. If we didn’t Moyes would have stayed even longer than he should have.
It’s all well and good having a long term approach, but if the approach is having such a damaging effect short term, that it effects the long term, then you need to question the suitability of your vision, or the people trying to deliver it.
United’s lack or short term planning is facking up all their long term planning. Not just with coaches but with player recruitment.
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It’s highly debatable whether the current approach is having a damaging effect at all.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
And again, it’s not hugely strange or even wrong to revise that opinion based on what came after which has been very poor
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Not saying it's not.
There is just an interesting correlation between those creating 'give him the job's articles on 6th March and those creating 'Ole out' articles now.
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😂
How is there a correlation
At the time of the PSG game we had won a huge amount of games in a row. After the PSG game up until now it’s been shocking. 39 points in 30 league games. Less than Everton and palace in the same amount of time
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And here’s the issue, because what it tells us is that you think it’s perfectly acceptable to push for a manager to be given a contract based on 20 odd games and then equally to be sacked based on 30 odd games, even taking into account the changes needed at the club.
It’s short termism and it’s not helpful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In football that kind of time frame can tell you about someone. It seems clear now with hindsight that a big part of that good run at the start of his reign was that new manager bounce and when we lost that first game he couldn’t find a way to arrest it and 40 or so games later we’re still none the wiser as to what plan Ole actually has.
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So in 50 ish games you’ve gone from believing he’s the right man to believing he should be sacked.
Of course you can’t see the ridiculousness of it, we know that.
But do us all a favour and shut the feck up about it.
We know you think he should go.
The point is that unless the club agree then it isn’t going to happen and as fans we’re best off backing the team and discussing other things.
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To be fair he started off saying he didn't want ole, then 20 games in he did, then about 40 games in he didn't again. But he's not flakey ok? Don't you dare call him flakey!
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How is it flakey? If anything it’s just logical thinking
I didn’t want him based on his poor record in England
He does well to start with and I think maybe he deserves to get the gig on a more permanent basis (nowhere did I say he was going to be successful) - just that the run deserved better than a caretaker role
And after being made permanent it’s been shocking and my early suspicions have been strengthened
You really don’t know what flakey means. I think you’re trying to hard to make this personal. Reflects badly on you Statman
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Elvis, sorry, that’s what I meant... done a complete u-turn twice in barely 12 months!
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I don’t think you understand what a u turn is
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 26 seconds ago
You need to have an element of short term thinking at a club like United. If we didn’t Moyes would have stayed even longer than he should have.
It’s all well and good having a long term approach, but if the approach is having such a damaging effect short term, that it effects the long term, then you need to question the suitability of your vision, or the people trying to deliver it.
United’s lack or short term planning is facking up all their long term planning. Not just with coaches but with player recruitment.
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It’s highly debatable whether the current approach is having a damaging effect at all.
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Agreed.
I dont think it is, really. I see no harm in sticking with Ole until the end of the season to be honest. I see it as a much better option than sacking him and going for whoever is the best available option right now, because the likelihood is that man will fail.
posted on 3/1/20
Changing your mind about a manager twice in the space of 12 months is short term, impatient thinking.
Try and justify it all you like - it badly lacks credibility.
posted on 3/1/20
bloodred, but I’m not just talking about the coach but the recruitment. This summer was certainly a damaging one to our short and long term prospects. That’s why I’m saying you have to take a certain level of short term approach to achieve anything long term. And as we are failing with the former it’s completely facking up any hope of the latter.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 15 seconds ago
Changing your mind about a manager twice in the space of 12 months is short term, impatient thinking.
Try and justify it all you like - it badly lacks credibility.
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When the shocking run that has happened since I wanted him to be hired has happened it’s not short term thinking at all. It’s a sign that we may well have hired someone out of his depth.
Let me ask people this - if people knew the run that was to come after he was hired, would people still have wanted him hired?
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
bloodred, but I’m not just talking about the coach but the recruitment. This summer was certainly a damaging one to our short and long term prospects. That’s why I’m saying you have to take a certain level of short term approach to achieve anything long term. And as we are failing with the former it’s completely facking up any hope of the latter.
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Fair enough, but that's been an issue for years and in all likelihood will continue to be an issue whilst Ed is around.
posted on 3/1/20
I always bring up Fergie and always get shot down with the cry " The game's moved on".
Whatever that has to do with managerial success rates.
But it took him years to achieve success.
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