Very few United fans genuinely think Ole will be a success at United.
There are the realists, and those that cant bring themselves to admit it.
Although the 'Give Ole 3 Summers' lot are now softening their position on him.
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
Just speak for yourself RDD.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
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I would ask if he could be as good as Poch(which means he isn't at the moment) would it not make sense for United to take the short cut and appoint Poch instead of waiting for Ole to reach Poch levels?
It’s mainly blind faith tbf right now. People thinking it would be ‘nice’ for him to do well but Ole isn’t doing much at all to repay the faith.
I feel that if he was sacked tomorrow and Poch brought in secretly no one would really shed a tear. Ole will always be a club legend but strictly as a player.
Would any half decent side pick Ole as their next manager? I don’t think a single PL or championship side would.
I don't know OP. He maybe doing as well as Poch could with this team and the injuries.
I like Poch but don't think he's a miracle worker, and while it's not a fair reflection on his work at Spurs, I would have liked a trophy on his Cv.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
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How can you possibly know he cant be as good as X but can be as good as Y ?
This squad is better than our points total suggests. The issues are we are short of players (Oles choice) and a motivational issue (on Ole)
I would have thought you understood the concept of opinion.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I would have thought you understood the concept of opinion.
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I was asking how youd formed that opinion.
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
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I would ask if he could be as good as Poch(which means he isn't at the moment) would it not make sense for United to take the short cut and appoint Poch instead of waiting for Ole to reach Poch levels?
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Can’t see him being anywhere near Poch tbh. Poch did really well at Southampton with what he had and his signings worked, that’s what got him the move to Spurs. He did really well at Spurs but ultimately a lack of investment failed him.
Ole failed at Cardiff and only got the job because of his playing time at United and to be honest he’s not doing the job very well despite being backed financially.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't know OP. He maybe doing as well as Poch could with this team and the injuries.
I like Poch but don't think he's a miracle worker, and while it's not a fair reflection on his work at Spurs, I would have liked a trophy on his Cv.
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Evryine has injuries and that will never change. I guess my query is whether Ole has got what it takes even if he gets new players. Do you think he has the ability to deliver league titles and CL trophies?
Its not as simple as just having a good team, the manager must also be astute and have the nous because other teams are also good. Does Ole have that in his locker?
Personally I don't think he does if I'm honest. Give him the players and he will still fall short. Every manager is a risk of failure, but some less than others. United would be better off doing the same experiment with a more astute manager who shows more promise than Ole is showing perhaps?
Let's wait and see shall we?
And we can have a right feckin laugh while we're waiting!
Utd's biggest error (by far) was allowing SAF to dictate that Moyes was good enough to replace him...monumentally bad judgement from the board...they knew he was going & just let him get on with bringing the club down with that disaster of an appointment
United should have gone big & gone hard with a world class coach at the time.
No you weren't RDD. A genuine question doesn't begin with "how can you possibly know" because that implies disbelief, not a desire to know the answer.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
No you weren't RDD. A genuine question doesn't begin with "how can you possibly know" because that implies disbelief, not a desire to know the answer.
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How is an open question mate.
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
Utd's biggest error (by far) was allowing SAF to dictate that Moyes was good enough to replace him...monumentally bad judgement from the board...they knew he was going & just let him get on with bringing the club down with that disaster of an appointment
United should have gone big & gone hard with a world class coach at the time.
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Perhaps they should have brought in Jose immediately. Jose wasn't as crap as he is now.
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
Utd's biggest error (by far) was allowing SAF to dictate that Moyes was good enough to replace him...monumentally bad judgement from the board...they knew he was going & just let him get on with bringing the club down with that disaster of an appointment
United should have gone big & gone hard with a world class coach at the time.
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Perhaps they should have brought in Jose immediately. Jose wasn't as crap as he is now.
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Biggest mistake is ed Woodward..
The fact that Oles most vocal supporter on her will only go as far as to say Ole might he as good as Poch but cant say how he arrived at this conclusion tells you everything you need to know about how good Ole is.
We do need a chief exec who is prepared to loosen the purse strings a little. Ed is as tight as a Ducks ar5e
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s wait and see
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As a rival fan I have no problem with that tbh.
So do you think Ole has it in his locker to eventually win the big ones? Why not appoint a better manager and then still "wait and see"?
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s wait and see
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As a rival fan I have no problem with that tbh.
So do you think Ole has it in his locker to eventually win the big ones? Why not appoint a better manager and then still "wait and see"?
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Ive no idea wether he has or not, but we’ve been down the route of appointing high profile managers with no real success barring one season under Jose
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posted on 10/1/20
Very few United fans genuinely think Ole will be a success at United.
There are the realists, and those that cant bring themselves to admit it.
posted on 10/1/20
Although the 'Give Ole 3 Summers' lot are now softening their position on him.
posted on 10/1/20
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
posted on 10/1/20
Just speak for yourself RDD.
posted on 10/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would ask if he could be as good as Poch(which means he isn't at the moment) would it not make sense for United to take the short cut and appoint Poch instead of waiting for Ole to reach Poch levels?
posted on 10/1/20
It’s mainly blind faith tbf right now. People thinking it would be ‘nice’ for him to do well but Ole isn’t doing much at all to repay the faith.
I feel that if he was sacked tomorrow and Poch brought in secretly no one would really shed a tear. Ole will always be a club legend but strictly as a player.
Would any half decent side pick Ole as their next manager? I don’t think a single PL or championship side would.
posted on 10/1/20
I don't know OP. He maybe doing as well as Poch could with this team and the injuries.
I like Poch but don't think he's a miracle worker, and while it's not a fair reflection on his work at Spurs, I would have liked a trophy on his Cv.
posted on 10/1/20
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posted on 10/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can you possibly know he cant be as good as X but can be as good as Y ?
posted on 10/1/20
This squad is better than our points total suggests. The issues are we are short of players (Oles choice) and a motivational issue (on Ole)
posted on 10/1/20
I would have thought you understood the concept of opinion.
posted on 10/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I would have thought you understood the concept of opinion.
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I was asking how youd formed that opinion.
posted on 10/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't know the answer to this question.
He's done some good things and some bad things.
He will never be another Klopp or Pep imo, but he could be as good as Poch for example, or not as the case may be.
An Ed replacement would help whoever is in the hot seat.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would ask if he could be as good as Poch(which means he isn't at the moment) would it not make sense for United to take the short cut and appoint Poch instead of waiting for Ole to reach Poch levels?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can’t see him being anywhere near Poch tbh. Poch did really well at Southampton with what he had and his signings worked, that’s what got him the move to Spurs. He did really well at Spurs but ultimately a lack of investment failed him.
Ole failed at Cardiff and only got the job because of his playing time at United and to be honest he’s not doing the job very well despite being backed financially.
posted on 10/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't know OP. He maybe doing as well as Poch could with this team and the injuries.
I like Poch but don't think he's a miracle worker, and while it's not a fair reflection on his work at Spurs, I would have liked a trophy on his Cv.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Evryine has injuries and that will never change. I guess my query is whether Ole has got what it takes even if he gets new players. Do you think he has the ability to deliver league titles and CL trophies?
Its not as simple as just having a good team, the manager must also be astute and have the nous because other teams are also good. Does Ole have that in his locker?
Personally I don't think he does if I'm honest. Give him the players and he will still fall short. Every manager is a risk of failure, but some less than others. United would be better off doing the same experiment with a more astute manager who shows more promise than Ole is showing perhaps?
posted on 10/1/20
Let's wait and see shall we?
And we can have a right feckin laugh while we're waiting!
posted on 10/1/20
Utd's biggest error (by far) was allowing SAF to dictate that Moyes was good enough to replace him...monumentally bad judgement from the board...they knew he was going & just let him get on with bringing the club down with that disaster of an appointment
United should have gone big & gone hard with a world class coach at the time.
posted on 10/1/20
No you weren't RDD. A genuine question doesn't begin with "how can you possibly know" because that implies disbelief, not a desire to know the answer.
posted on 10/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
No you weren't RDD. A genuine question doesn't begin with "how can you possibly know" because that implies disbelief, not a desire to know the answer.
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How is an open question mate.
posted on 10/1/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
Utd's biggest error (by far) was allowing SAF to dictate that Moyes was good enough to replace him...monumentally bad judgement from the board...they knew he was going & just let him get on with bringing the club down with that disaster of an appointment
United should have gone big & gone hard with a world class coach at the time.
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Perhaps they should have brought in Jose immediately. Jose wasn't as crap as he is now.
posted on 10/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
Utd's biggest error (by far) was allowing SAF to dictate that Moyes was good enough to replace him...monumentally bad judgement from the board...they knew he was going & just let him get on with bringing the club down with that disaster of an appointment
United should have gone big & gone hard with a world class coach at the time.
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Perhaps they should have brought in Jose immediately. Jose wasn't as crap as he is now.
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Biggest mistake is ed Woodward..
posted on 10/1/20
The fact that Oles most vocal supporter on her will only go as far as to say Ole might he as good as Poch but cant say how he arrived at this conclusion tells you everything you need to know about how good Ole is.
posted on 10/1/20
We do need a chief exec who is prepared to loosen the purse strings a little. Ed is as tight as a Ducks ar5e
posted on 10/1/20
Let’s wait and see
posted on 10/1/20
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s wait and see
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As a rival fan I have no problem with that tbh.
So do you think Ole has it in his locker to eventually win the big ones? Why not appoint a better manager and then still "wait and see"?
posted on 10/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Let’s wait and see
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As a rival fan I have no problem with that tbh.
So do you think Ole has it in his locker to eventually win the big ones? Why not appoint a better manager and then still "wait and see"?
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Ive no idea wether he has or not, but we’ve been down the route of appointing high profile managers with no real success barring one season under Jose
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