Don't think either of those two managers ever came close to joining Arsenal, did they?
for me arsenal had something like 200mil in the banks after the Emirates was done and the highbury apartments were paying off big time.
clearly the owners failed to realise the reason success game in 1998 was the new man was revolutionary. by the end Wenger's was all over that club coddling players and the entire structure was in bits.
the mistakes were made before 2010. still 3 fa cup wins ain't half bad.
the issue for me is how culture and we need to see how arteta had learned off all his influences. the soft and whiny players thing needs to be sorted.
my god it's a million miles from that back 5 plus Vieira. so soft. imagine Adam's, keown and Vieira and petit playing for arsenal now with auba up front.
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 54 seconds ago
Don't think either of those two managers ever came close to joining Arsenal, did they?
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no they didn't.
they also had the chance to poach Ancelotti but have gone for the pep assistant. we will see if his time away from arsenal has given him the real tools that club needs.
Yes but he's started well IMO.
It could turn out a masterstroke. You never know.
yeah anything could happen but they need to have the off the field structure and decisions right now.
if they get the transfers right they will improve. if not they wont.
it is a good start to play the players like torriera in the right position.
examples
Leno- ok but not great. it's not.like.hes dodgy but hes not top level imo.
bellerin - issue here. can he regain the pace?
cbs. just lump them all together. not up to it.
Tierney- not a bad buy but needs time.
torriera- good no 6. need to back him. not tall but a good player.
other cms. a bit.meh. the need someone to drive them.
auba. left wing genius. have to keep him. class
lazazette. drop him for.martinelli. works hard sometimes but also. just don't think hes consistent. martinelli is huge potential.
pepe. very inconsistent. real pace but needs to settle in.
the need shut of ozil. they need to sort that backline out and get a really good box to box cm.
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
Biggest mistake for me was definitely the overconfidence in the youth setup / crop of talent and not scouting/buying first team players properly.
In the past decade Arsenal setup was known for having the next big thing in the pipeline (Wilshire, Ozyakup, JET, Bellerin, Zelalem, Crowley, Iwobi). Some were even hyped up to be the next Xavi/Iniesta/best thing since sliced bread, especially Zelalem and Crowley.
Needless to say all failed spectaculairly and for me only Bellerin made it as a proper player. Wenger held onto the midfield of Wilshere and Ramsey far past it's expiry date when it became clear that midfield was lightweight/easily overrun. I also hated that both players were too stubborn or stupid to be coached out of their bad habits: Wilshere trying to dribble like Ronaldinho into dead alleys and getting himself injured all the time and Ramsey playing the little flicks and backheels after he had 1 good season when he played disciplined and was at his best off the ball in and around the box.
1) not buying a decent central defender in all that time.
2) Missing out on Usmanov.
Not getting rid of gazidis earlier
Not getting rid of Wenger earlier
Wastage of money from 2014 onwards
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 2 hours ago
for me arsenal had something like 200mil in the banks after the Emirates was done and the highbury apartments were paying off big time.
clearly the owners failed to realise the reason success game in 1998 was the new man was revolutionary. by the end Wenger's was all over that club coddling players and the entire structure was in bits.
the mistakes were made before 2010. still 3 fa cup wins ain't half bad.
the issue for me is how culture and we need to see how arteta had learned off all his influences. the soft and whiny players thing needs to be sorted.
my god it's a million miles from that back 5 plus Vieira. so soft. imagine Adam's, keown and Vieira and petit playing for arsenal now with auba up front.
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I seem to recall it quite differently.
It's widely known that the banks were very particular about Wenger staying at the club for at least 5 more years before they sanctioned the vast bulk of our stadium loan.
Furthermore, the first loan payments came right as the economy tanked. The Highbury property developments weren't moving, and the only prudent thing to do in a sketchy economy was to hoard a pile of cash.
I'll admit that the club could have done a lot better on the pitch over this period, but I wouldn't have done anything differently behind the scenes. We had a new ownership structure, a new chief exec, and a bold new debt-funded infrastructure project.
A lot of clubs that also had stadium developments over this period really struggled. Valencia are still yet to complete their redevelopment.
All the mistakes the club made in the 2010s stem from the biggest mistake the club ever made in selling a stake to KSE a few years prior to that.
As for the 2010s, our biggest undoing was in the transfer market. After a sustained period of belt tightening where we stripped the squad of all its assets, the 8-2 loss to United in 2011 was like a boot to the kidneys.
We panicked, and the cash suddenly started to flow. Setting in motion an entire decade of boom and bust spending. With all the foresight of a drunken sailor.
I was quite optimistic when the Sanllehi links first came out. The club was finally about to get a proper "football man", after a decade of being run by MBA's and 70 year old financial toffs from The City.
I know it's still too early to judge him, but the past 2 windows have got me looking at him funny.
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
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comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
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This. Football is not for moralists
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Outstanding job both he and Moshiri are doing at Everton, isn't it GT?
They've just withheld publication of the club's finances ahead of their AGM on Tuesday. So you know it's bad news.
An estimated £100m hole in their books this financial year. That will make it two financial years in a row where they've ended up with losses of about £100m. Who knows what kind of dodgy cash infusions they'll come up with to bamboozle the FFP wolves for another year.
All of this, only to end up with a rather uninspiring squad.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
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This. Football is not for moralists
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Outstanding job both he and Moshiri are doing at Everton, isn't it GT?
They've just withheld publication of the club's finances ahead of their AGM on Tuesday. So you know it's bad news.
An estimated £100m hole in their books this financial year. That will make it two financial years in a row where they've ended up with losses of about £100m. Who knows what kind of dodgy cash infusions they'll come up with to bamboozle the FFP wolves for another year.
All of this, only to end up with a rather uninspiring squad.
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Dont know the Everton situation and if Usmanov put his money to 100% in. I am sure he would have done that if he was in charge at Arsenal.
Deciding to buy Mustafi and Xhaka instead of Van Dyke (Celtic Days) and Kante.
Selling to Kronke
Not going all in to get Klopp (Wenger should have been moved upstairs)
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
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This. Football is not for moralists
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Outstanding job both he and Moshiri are doing at Everton, isn't it GT?
They've just withheld publication of the club's finances ahead of their AGM on Tuesday. So you know it's bad news.
An estimated £100m hole in their books this financial year. That will make it two financial years in a row where they've ended up with losses of about £100m. Who knows what kind of dodgy cash infusions they'll come up with to bamboozle the FFP wolves for another year.
All of this, only to end up with a rather uninspiring squad.
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Dont know the Everton situation and if Usmanov put his money to 100% in. I am sure he would have done that if he was in charge at Arsenal.
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Usmanov and Moshiri are practically joined at the hip when it comes to their investments. Moshiri just happens to be the friendlier face when it comes to the paperwork.
I'll have to admit to my own bias against them though. I've always thought of them as noisemakers who did not have a clue about running a football club. Anyone can sound clever while shouting from the back of the crowd.
It took me a while to completely write them off. I was a big fan of David Dein and its was rather eye-opening to see to see the majority of the old-school Arsenal shareholders completely turn against him.
I've never been Kroenke's biggest fan, but the best thing he's ever done for the club was to freeze the two of them out.
Allthough Kroenke isnt the other extrem who shouldnt be Arsenal's owner. He surely is the main reason why we didnt develop in the right direction.
Worst mistakes which spanned the late 00's and early 10s were the "socialist" wage structure and keeping hold of the big reserve funds until after prices had skyrocketed meaning they lost at least 50% value!
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comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Not signing Higuain from Real Madrid and letting Napoli in.
Higuain broke all time Serie A single season golsscoring while at Napoli.
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He failed in the PL at Chelsea after though League is too fast paced for him, he's better suited to Serie A / La Liga.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Not signing Higuain from Real Madrid and letting Napoli in.
Higuain broke all time Serie A single season golsscoring while at Napoli.
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He failed in the PL at Chelsea after thoughLeague is too fast paced for him, he's better suited to Serie A / La Liga.
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Don’t be silly. The Higuain that went to Napoli and the one that played for Chelsea are 2 completely different players. I said at the time that not signing Higuain would prove to be the biggest mistake Wenger would make in the transfer market. Then he went and splurged £70M on Xhaka and Mustafi...
Everyone makes mistakes but some learned from their mistakes while others keep making them.
The year we only bought Cech. Could have had the title.
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posted on 12/1/20
Don't think either of those two managers ever came close to joining Arsenal, did they?
posted on 12/1/20
for me arsenal had something like 200mil in the banks after the Emirates was done and the highbury apartments were paying off big time.
clearly the owners failed to realise the reason success game in 1998 was the new man was revolutionary. by the end Wenger's was all over that club coddling players and the entire structure was in bits.
the mistakes were made before 2010. still 3 fa cup wins ain't half bad.
the issue for me is how culture and we need to see how arteta had learned off all his influences. the soft and whiny players thing needs to be sorted.
my god it's a million miles from that back 5 plus Vieira. so soft. imagine Adam's, keown and Vieira and petit playing for arsenal now with auba up front.
posted on 12/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 54 seconds ago
Don't think either of those two managers ever came close to joining Arsenal, did they?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no they didn't.
they also had the chance to poach Ancelotti but have gone for the pep assistant. we will see if his time away from arsenal has given him the real tools that club needs.
posted on 12/1/20
Yes but he's started well IMO.
It could turn out a masterstroke. You never know.
posted on 12/1/20
yeah anything could happen but they need to have the off the field structure and decisions right now.
if they get the transfers right they will improve. if not they wont.
it is a good start to play the players like torriera in the right position.
examples
Leno- ok but not great. it's not.like.hes dodgy but hes not top level imo.
bellerin - issue here. can he regain the pace?
cbs. just lump them all together. not up to it.
Tierney- not a bad buy but needs time.
torriera- good no 6. need to back him. not tall but a good player.
other cms. a bit.meh. the need someone to drive them.
auba. left wing genius. have to keep him. class
lazazette. drop him for.martinelli. works hard sometimes but also. just don't think hes consistent. martinelli is huge potential.
pepe. very inconsistent. real pace but needs to settle in.
the need shut of ozil. they need to sort that backline out and get a really good box to box cm.
posted on 12/1/20
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
posted on 12/1/20
Biggest mistake for me was definitely the overconfidence in the youth setup / crop of talent and not scouting/buying first team players properly.
In the past decade Arsenal setup was known for having the next big thing in the pipeline (Wilshire, Ozyakup, JET, Bellerin, Zelalem, Crowley, Iwobi). Some were even hyped up to be the next Xavi/Iniesta/best thing since sliced bread, especially Zelalem and Crowley.
Needless to say all failed spectaculairly and for me only Bellerin made it as a proper player. Wenger held onto the midfield of Wilshere and Ramsey far past it's expiry date when it became clear that midfield was lightweight/easily overrun. I also hated that both players were too stubborn or stupid to be coached out of their bad habits: Wilshere trying to dribble like Ronaldinho into dead alleys and getting himself injured all the time and Ramsey playing the little flicks and backheels after he had 1 good season when he played disciplined and was at his best off the ball in and around the box.
posted on 12/1/20
1) not buying a decent central defender in all that time.
2) Missing out on Usmanov.
posted on 12/1/20
Not getting rid of gazidis earlier
Not getting rid of Wenger earlier
Wastage of money from 2014 onwards
posted on 12/1/20
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 2 hours ago
for me arsenal had something like 200mil in the banks after the Emirates was done and the highbury apartments were paying off big time.
clearly the owners failed to realise the reason success game in 1998 was the new man was revolutionary. by the end Wenger's was all over that club coddling players and the entire structure was in bits.
the mistakes were made before 2010. still 3 fa cup wins ain't half bad.
the issue for me is how culture and we need to see how arteta had learned off all his influences. the soft and whiny players thing needs to be sorted.
my god it's a million miles from that back 5 plus Vieira. so soft. imagine Adam's, keown and Vieira and petit playing for arsenal now with auba up front.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I seem to recall it quite differently.
It's widely known that the banks were very particular about Wenger staying at the club for at least 5 more years before they sanctioned the vast bulk of our stadium loan.
Furthermore, the first loan payments came right as the economy tanked. The Highbury property developments weren't moving, and the only prudent thing to do in a sketchy economy was to hoard a pile of cash.
I'll admit that the club could have done a lot better on the pitch over this period, but I wouldn't have done anything differently behind the scenes. We had a new ownership structure, a new chief exec, and a bold new debt-funded infrastructure project.
A lot of clubs that also had stadium developments over this period really struggled. Valencia are still yet to complete their redevelopment.
posted on 12/1/20
All the mistakes the club made in the 2010s stem from the biggest mistake the club ever made in selling a stake to KSE a few years prior to that.
posted on 12/1/20
As for the 2010s, our biggest undoing was in the transfer market. After a sustained period of belt tightening where we stripped the squad of all its assets, the 8-2 loss to United in 2011 was like a boot to the kidneys.
We panicked, and the cash suddenly started to flow. Setting in motion an entire decade of boom and bust spending. With all the foresight of a drunken sailor.
I was quite optimistic when the Sanllehi links first came out. The club was finally about to get a proper "football man", after a decade of being run by MBA's and 70 year old financial toffs from The City.
I know it's still too early to judge him, but the past 2 windows have got me looking at him funny.
posted on 12/1/20
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
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This. Football is not for moralists
posted on 12/1/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
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This. Football is not for moralists
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Outstanding job both he and Moshiri are doing at Everton, isn't it GT?
They've just withheld publication of the club's finances ahead of their AGM on Tuesday. So you know it's bad news.
An estimated £100m hole in their books this financial year. That will make it two financial years in a row where they've ended up with losses of about £100m. Who knows what kind of dodgy cash infusions they'll come up with to bamboozle the FFP wolves for another year.
All of this, only to end up with a rather uninspiring squad.
posted on 12/1/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This. Football is not for moralists
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Outstanding job both he and Moshiri are doing at Everton, isn't it GT?
They've just withheld publication of the club's finances ahead of their AGM on Tuesday. So you know it's bad news.
An estimated £100m hole in their books this financial year. That will make it two financial years in a row where they've ended up with losses of about £100m. Who knows what kind of dodgy cash infusions they'll come up with to bamboozle the FFP wolves for another year.
All of this, only to end up with a rather uninspiring squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dont know the Everton situation and if Usmanov put his money to 100% in. I am sure he would have done that if he was in charge at Arsenal.
posted on 12/1/20
Deciding to buy Mustafi and Xhaka instead of Van Dyke (Celtic Days) and Kante.
Selling to Kronke
Not going all in to get Klopp (Wenger should have been moved upstairs)
posted on 12/1/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by RonAlvinho - Victoria Concordia Pathetic (U6117)
posted 3 hours, 4 minutes ago
Not letting Usmanov take over the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This. Football is not for moralists
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Outstanding job both he and Moshiri are doing at Everton, isn't it GT?
They've just withheld publication of the club's finances ahead of their AGM on Tuesday. So you know it's bad news.
An estimated £100m hole in their books this financial year. That will make it two financial years in a row where they've ended up with losses of about £100m. Who knows what kind of dodgy cash infusions they'll come up with to bamboozle the FFP wolves for another year.
All of this, only to end up with a rather uninspiring squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dont know the Everton situation and if Usmanov put his money to 100% in. I am sure he would have done that if he was in charge at Arsenal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Usmanov and Moshiri are practically joined at the hip when it comes to their investments. Moshiri just happens to be the friendlier face when it comes to the paperwork.
I'll have to admit to my own bias against them though. I've always thought of them as noisemakers who did not have a clue about running a football club. Anyone can sound clever while shouting from the back of the crowd.
It took me a while to completely write them off. I was a big fan of David Dein and its was rather eye-opening to see to see the majority of the old-school Arsenal shareholders completely turn against him.
I've never been Kroenke's biggest fan, but the best thing he's ever done for the club was to freeze the two of them out.
posted on 12/1/20
Allthough Kroenke isnt the other extrem who shouldnt be Arsenal's owner. He surely is the main reason why we didnt develop in the right direction.
posted on 13/1/20
Worst mistakes which spanned the late 00's and early 10s were the "socialist" wage structure and keeping hold of the big reserve funds until after prices had skyrocketed meaning they lost at least 50% value!
posted on 13/1/20
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posted on 13/1/20
Buying Ozil!
posted on 13/1/20
comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Not signing Higuain from Real Madrid and letting Napoli in.
Higuain broke all time Serie A single season golsscoring while at Napoli.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He failed in the PL at Chelsea after though League is too fast paced for him, he's better suited to Serie A / La Liga.
posted on 13/1/20
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Not signing Higuain from Real Madrid and letting Napoli in.
Higuain broke all time Serie A single season golsscoring while at Napoli.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He failed in the PL at Chelsea after thoughLeague is too fast paced for him, he's better suited to Serie A / La Liga.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don’t be silly. The Higuain that went to Napoli and the one that played for Chelsea are 2 completely different players. I said at the time that not signing Higuain would prove to be the biggest mistake Wenger would make in the transfer market. Then he went and splurged £70M on Xhaka and Mustafi...
posted on 13/1/20
Everyone makes mistakes but some learned from their mistakes while others keep making them.
posted on 13/1/20
The year we only bought Cech. Could have had the title.
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