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posted on 20/1/20

comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 4 minutes ago
absolutely scandalous

LB, RB and two quality CMs in that window were minimum
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It's just common facking sense isn't it. Get rid of all the current crap and Spurs probably need, what, 8-10 new players.

If they'd just bought 3 or 4 good new players in that barren summer, and then maybe 1 or 2 in the barren January, then that would leave the team only needing about 4 more now. Still not ideal, but would have spread the pain so much more evenly and helped so much with offsetting the team's sharp decline

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 13 minutes ago
United, Chelsea and Arsenal will all be spending and making more signings than us. All 3 desperate to improvement even more than we are. United will come in with 100mill for Kane in the summer i reckon.
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More signing than us? How do get to that?

I think we are the only one to sign anyone so far?

It’s hard to sign players of quality in this window and we are in such a predicament that we need them now!
But we are also being rightfully wary of buying another potential deadbeat.
We are doing ok in the market and by now means this is the end if our dealings. I like the new young guy.

Fir once we are looking for quality đź‘Ť

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 4 minutes ago
absolutely scandalous

LB, RB and two quality CMs in that window were minimum
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It's just common facking sense isn't it. Get rid of all the current crap and Spurs probably need, what, 8-10 new players.

If they'd just bought 3 or 4 good new players in that barren summer, and then maybe 1 or 2 in the barren January, then that would leave the team only needing about 4 more now. Still not ideal, but would have spread the pain so much more evenly and helped so much with offsetting the team's sharp decline
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it somehow gets more and more ridiculous the more i think about it and it was off the scale when it first happened

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 20/1/20

i just laughed it off initially and someone could overlook it when we were getting good results and up there at the top mid season last season. but all deceiving us to this inevitable happening now

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
i just laughed it off initially and someone could overlook it when we were getting good results and up there at the top mid season last season. but all deceiving us to this inevitable happening now
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I distinctly remember the unease people were feeling at the time, thinking how badly it could come back to bite Levy/Pochettino in the aerse.

To be fair I remember at the time Pochettino himself was banging on about how difficult it was to buy players and all that... properly wound me up at the time, because all clubs face the same issues. The only added issue Spurs face is that they refuse to pay the going rate, so it's a difficulty of the club's own making.

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
United, Chelsea and Arsenal will all be spending and making more signings than us. All 3 desperate to improvement even more than we are. United will come in with 100mill for Kane in the summer i reckon.
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£100 million, are you joking. One of the world`s top strikers, will be going for at least twice that. Levy wouldn`t accept £100 million for one leg.

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
This is all well and good, but Mourinho is not a good choice for a rebuilding job - particularly under a famously parsimonious chairman. Saying he's a chequebook manager with badly outdated methods isn't judging the guy prematurely or unfairly. It's calling a spade a spade based on the majority of the past decade in which he's markedly and obviously declined compared to the best managers out there. He's living off a 15-year-old reputation.

And if money is suddenly available, it's very unfair on Pochettino who had surely earned the patience now being afforded to Mourinho. Let's not forget, Pochettino only received backing in one transfer window over the last 2 years. It's all very well saying "Mourinho can transform the team if properly backed in the next 2 years," but so could Pochettino FFS. He managed it WITHOUT proper backing. Imagine what he could've achieved if he'd been properly incentivised.

I'll freely admit I've been against Mourinho since before he was appointed because I neither like nor rate him, and I very much both liked and rated Pochettino. But looking at the situation objectively, it's a clusterfack of bad decisions which all stems back to Levy.

I seriously don't see Spurs going anywhere but backwards while Mourinho and Levy have the reins. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think I will be.
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I think you have to conclude that our failure to win a trophy is more than about players/personnel.

Poch had a squad that achieved 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th in the league. Surely that is / was good enough to compete in the domestic trophies.

Trouble is that in the last 5 years the winners of the domestic trophies has been City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal....so its quality top 4 / 6 winners every time. Its never going to be easy or a given that we ca npick up even just a lower level trophy.

To win, to have that edge, you need quality (we have) you need luck (we often lack this) you need a winning mentality (v. questionable) and you need experience of winning (none!). Mourinho brings those factors which we have been missing - the absolute winning mentality and the experience of winning.

If Jose achieves nothing else, bringing in a trophy and developing a winning culture is essential. If our suqad is not good enough to win the league / UCL then so be it, we must target and win the next level down because if we develop a squad that is of the highest quality we still need a winning culture to be able to deliver.

Poch's biggest failure was IMO not to target a minor trophy and get that winning culture rolling from an early stage. May be unfortunately we found ourselves in a title challenge in year 2, so everything else suddenly played second fiddle, all resources poured in to that and this also seemed to happen in year 3.

I think Jose is perfect for the next stage because the next stage is about winning stuff.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 20/1/20

Mourinho brings those factors which we have been missing - the absolute winning mentality and the experience of winning.





doing great with this so far...

posted on 20/1/20

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
This is all well and good, but Mourinho is not a good choice for a rebuilding job - particularly under a famously parsimonious chairman. Saying he's a chequebook manager with badly outdated methods isn't judging the guy prematurely or unfairly. It's calling a spade a spade based on the majority of the past decade in which he's markedly and obviously declined compared to the best managers out there. He's living off a 15-year-old reputation.

And if money is suddenly available, it's very unfair on Pochettino who had surely earned the patience now being afforded to Mourinho. Let's not forget, Pochettino only received backing in one transfer window over the last 2 years. It's all very well saying "Mourinho can transform the team if properly backed in the next 2 years," but so could Pochettino FFS. He managed it WITHOUT proper backing. Imagine what he could've achieved if he'd been properly incentivised.

I'll freely admit I've been against Mourinho since before he was appointed because I neither like nor rate him, and I very much both liked and rated Pochettino. But looking at the situation objectively, it's a clusterfack of bad decisions which all stems back to Levy.

I seriously don't see Spurs going anywhere but backwards while Mourinho and Levy have the reins. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think I will be.
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I think you have to conclude that our failure to win a trophy is more than about players/personnel.

Poch had a squad that achieved 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th in the league. Surely that is / was good enough to compete in the domestic trophies.

Trouble is that in the last 5 years the winners of the domestic trophies has been City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal....so its quality top 4 / 6 winners every time. Its never going to be easy or a given that we ca npick up even just a lower level trophy.

To win, to have that edge, you need quality (we have) you need luck (we often lack this) you need a winning mentality (v. questionable) and you need experience of winning (none!). Mourinho brings those factors which we have been missing - the absolute winning mentality and the experience of winning.

If Jose achieves nothing else, bringing in a trophy and developing a winning culture is essential. If our suqad is not good enough to win the league / UCL then so be it, we must target and win the next level down because if we develop a squad that is of the highest quality we still need a winning culture to be able to deliver.

Poch's biggest failure was IMO not to target a minor trophy and get that winning culture rolling from an early stage. May be unfortunately we found ourselves in a title challenge in year 2, so everything else suddenly played second fiddle, all resources poured in to that and this also seemed to happen in year 3.

I think Jose is perfect for the next stage because the next stage is about winning stuff.
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Hard to disagree with this except for the conclusion

Mourinho 10 years ago maybe. I don't see today's Mourinho being the guy to deliver even a minor trophy on a relative shoestring.

posted on 20/1/20

So far this season it has been vintage Levy

comment by Chronic (U3423)

posted on 21/1/20

100 mill doesn’t get Kane Under levy. I reckon if you want Kane Levy would demand a world record fee.

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